First guild house sold in game!

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

Ligh, your concerns for me are very touching, and heartwarming.  I think you Role play beautifully.  I am pleased that you are willing to even tell me off when I let slip my standards...  as you do it in such a caring way.  your passions for the Role player are commendable.

the fact that the community rallied about to ensure the house remained in RP a home of the Royals is a voice in itself, a thing that you and many made possible, so, for that I think you should be overjoyed that the community is, on this occassion, for RP over mechanics.  [but if it had fallen to another guild - we would have found it an interesting time of RP...  made something of it in character to build on.. for we are players...]

Keep the RP strong in game, and the mechanics will just aid the play. 

I do sincerely believe that Talad and the team are very much for RP.  But they have to be impartial too when introducing new things into the game, I know that is a very tough job. 

To them I bow.

[saamu]

Just wondering how ownership will be dealt with
Does the owner/buyer

   own it perpetually meaning even if the owner is dead and dust in RL? (Obviously a waste of resource to the community)
   do the owner still own it if he/she leave the game for a while say 6 months or a year than come back?
   have the ability to transfer the ownership to another player?

And how about an official mortgage system (borrow to buy) with official interest rates (fluctuating of course) -this would be a good smimulation of RL regarding bugeting, repayments, repossession etc.  Hmm long term commitment ..... can keep a player in PS for life ..LOL

[Cebot]

   own it perpetually meaning even if the owner is dead and dust in RL? (Obviously a waste of resource to the community)
   do the owner still own it if he/she leave the game for a while say 6 months or a year than come back?
   have the ability to transfer the ownership to another player?

And how about an official mortgage system (borrow to buy) with official interest rates (fluctuating of course) -this would be a good smimulation of RL regarding bugeting, repayments, repossession etc.  Hmm long term commitment ..... can keep a player in PS for life ..LOL

If the player dies in RL, how can the devs know?

If the owner leaves for some time and has bought the house, not rented, then it should still be his house when he returns. Like in RL noone is gonna sell your house if you are going to travel around the world for 6 month, same ingame, the character could just decide to spend some time in the other levels of yliakum while the player takes an outtime of the game, but since houses are limited in game there should be some kind of timeout for when the house will go back to the government. like noone uses (enters) the house for about a year (or whatever period you'd like) the government decides to take back the house as their property and sell it again (this would also take the death of a player into account, as asked by you)

There are given out 9 keys to start with and the government can make more keys if needed. there is no fixed ownership as of yet, so everyone who has a key can use the house. It is technically also possible that the lock can be changed (by changing the lockID, but thats something the devs have to decide how it is gonna be happen ingame)

Yet the houses have been implemented in this release for the first time and still need some testing until everything is properly set up, so just be patient and wait for more houses to come and for the ideas the devs present to you about those houses.

Greetings, Cebot

[LigH]

@ Karyuu & Draklar:

The IC excuse (punishment for not paying taxes) was more than artifical to let an OOC event look lawful... If you care so much about IC credibility, this would have required a previous reminder at least. Or you accept arbitrariness in the laws of Yliakum.

To test game mechanics, it would have been possible to start this event more subtle. What about a poll in the forums first? You could have let people chose a building a month in advance. They could have prepared for an interesting event. But half an hour in advance ... What if none of us had been online? Were you looking for just this chance? ... One can get paranoid over the chosen form. In case you wanted us out of this game, without saying so, this would have been the perfect way to tell us. This hour simply looked like mobbing / bullying to me. Even if you may not have meant it.

I would not expect a guild house from you as a gift. Really, believe me - I would have preferred to "play being inside" over getting the first guild house by such an event like the one you broke from the fence - as it appeared to me. What I would expect from you instead, was a fair chance for everyone. In case of "buying a property", roleplayers are definitely in disadvantage. Simply because they usually don't waste time on raking in money.

I have been jobless for many years. Often I would have been close to getting homeless without the help of family and friends. This event drew me back into this state instantly. Don't expect me to roleplay brilliantly in such a deep shock. Apart from the concern of Lolitra's health, I only felt fear of my IC existance.

Am I already addict?

I know I can't expect an excuse for what you did. Of course you were allowed to do it. I just wonder if you could have done it in any less offensive way. In RL, forced sales don't happen at a moment's notice either. This event was - at least - incredible / contrieved. In my opinion.

After all, well ... it opened several options to play. True. Not that I am unhappy with my current state. Only with the way I got pushed into it.


Once again: I only report my emotions here. It may sound like imputations... how could I avoid that. What would you have felt when you get taken after such a long time what you were used to. In RL, no authority would do it without a warning in advance.

[Waylander]

Everybody understands that you are displeased, Gag.  And many can understand why.  But, you must realize that you are being foolish.

The worst case scenario: Somebody else buys the house.  We both know all that would happen would be Lolitra being slightly displeased and moving to a new house.  You're inability to drop the subject only makes others believe that you doubt that Lolitra is flexible and that you believe she may put her own feelings before the progression of the game.

The Devs could have spent time checking every single house to see if it already had an 'owner' or, they could spend that time developing the game.  As a fan of PlaneShift I prefer the latter, as should all fans.

Lolitra would not suffer much from having to move to another house, give her more credit than that.

She appreciates your concern, Gag.  But, let the subject rest   It is over and bringing it up will only extend the period of your shock and, unlike a simple moving of houses, could in time bring detriment to Lolitra's health.  I'm sure she of all people does not like seeing you thus.


Note: This can be taking a few ways.  I hope you see that I am chiefly concerned with your happiness.  Parts of it are harsh but, sometimes a friend needs to hear harsh words.

[LigH]

When it happened, I was unable to reach Lolitra and ask her how she feels about it. Now, afterwards, I learned that there was no need to assume the worst. But was it necessary to make me? I wish no one else to suffer the same.

Experience is a useful thing. Unfortunately, often you get it just after you needed it.

On to more happy events now.

[Draklar]

To test game mechanics, it would have been possible to start this event more subtle. What about a poll in the forums first? You could have let people chose a building a month in advance. They could have prepared for an interesting event. But half an hour in advance ... What if none of us had been online? Were you looking for just this chance? ... One can get paranoid over the chosen form. In case you wanted us out of this game, without saying so, this would have been the perfect way to tell us. This hour simply looked like mobbing / bullying to me. Even if you may not have meant it.

If they did that, "roleplayers" would be here whining how devs gave powerlevelers a month to gather amounts of money greatly surpassing anything a roleplayer could have.

[LigH]

  Indeed. Any finance or skill related activity means a disadvantage for non-powerlevelers. 

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Earning money is not power leveling and standing around playing make believe is not role playing

Happy mediums people!

[LigH]

Oooh, Xillix -- you are the reason I do anything but "just standing around".


I wanted to speak to you anyway, about a Husband's Dilemma, and about a Derghir ceremony, and ...

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

That is the spirit ligh, you seem to be feeling better already!

btw, my RP made me a good bit of money 

send me a pm on the quest material.

[peeg]

btw, my RP made me a good bit of money 

Ha! now I know where all the donations for the "weak and poor" gone

[ThomPhoenix]

Congratulations on getting this in-game, dev team!
There still are some issues to be worked out with instances, but when it's fixed this can become mainstream.

Players, prepare!

[Nikodemus]

Ahhh the instancing? ;P
I hope i will see one day how it was so needed So i can ge truly convinced about this.

[Unnamed_Source]

Now we need a property tax system so if you cannot afford a new one, you can always wait 6 month and buy it in forclosure.. with The PlanShift Internal Revenue Service.

Since this is a barter system, the PS-IRS has a hard time establishing individual incomes but just wait till you start buying property...cha-ching baby, CHA-CHING! And for us investors.. lets see 2.1 mil times 5% = 105K a year, divided by 2. 52500 every six months.. how fast does the time fly in PS?? 6 RL months from now that house will have 6 trillion is unpaid back taxes and compound interest. REPO time.. Sold in a government acution for meer tria on the gold coin.. Then flip it and make at least 250K..

Yeah I like this new house system.. No more freak'n digging for gold, this is the "new" gold... So when will the IRS system be in the game, 0.03.020 maybe??