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Balonik

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2007, 01:10:14 pm »
Don't worry Thazmaps. It takes less than two hours to make 25k tria by mining gold and making gold ingots. I was collecting tria to buy a guildhouse but I gave up when I saw prices like 7M so I started to give tria to the poor.

Btw, I think the punishment has to be unavoidable and fast to be effective. Not just cruel.

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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2007, 01:24:08 pm »
Don't worry Thazmaps. It takes less than two hours to make 25k tria by mining gold and making gold ingots. I was collecting tria to buy a guildhouse but I gave up when I saw prices like 7M so I started to give tria to the poor.

Btw, I think the punishment has to be unavoidable and fast to be effective. Not just cruel.

thanks for that info, i was really starting to gnaw on my teeth, cause ive been having so much fun playing that it would suck to get banned for something i was innocent of, and i really feel that the bug in question should be posted so that maybe someone who took advantage of it and is not aware they did can confess, and also to soothe the intellect of the players who are dying to know what it was . But I know i didnt take adavantage cause other than the previous donation I mentioned earlier which is all spent I have nothing.

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2007, 02:08:59 pm »
My Char made a lot of trias trading swords. Some/All of this money that I got from the buyer could be "dirty"/"exploited".

Will I also burn at the stake for this?

Whats the intensity of the "witch hunt"/"inquisition" thats in progress? ???

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2007, 02:10:29 pm »
If you sold swords to someone with 'dirty' money its likely that the swords will be gotten rid of.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2007, 02:13:36 pm »
I could not restrain myself, so I will give you my opinion on this. You won't like it.

What is this all about? We had a inventory code rewrite. A bug was left in the code. That is to be expected and it will not be the last bug. It will most probably not even be the last money making bug.

The code runs on a public server, so people will use it and find the bug. So far so good. Because it is a public server, you will not only have your role playing friends trying the code but the complete mix of people who play with very different intentions. The roleplayers are the people who you want to play with. But there will always be the people who only play for the thrill of advancing their characters and even those who play to find and exploit bugs. They will always be here and it is completely wasted emotions if you feel hurt by their doings. Live with it. They will stay here longer than you.
And by the way, they are the best bug hunters, so you even want to keep them as testers. This is the way it is done in the security industry all the time.

Now a money making bug has been found and exploited. As I said before that is neither surprising nor will it be the last time. What are the consequences? Lets look at what you can do with all the money: You can buy training but only if you have the necessary progress points, so you have solved only half of the problem. You may have billions of Tria but it won't help you much. Oh, you could buy a guild house. Well, that is another thing only half thought through and a problem I better not go into now. Probably the worst thing you can do with all the money is ruin the market for the few things that are traded in game. But that will equalize itself fast after the bug has been fixed. It is only a small shock for an economy that hardly was balanced in the past and will not be for a long time to come. So what is the point of all this excitement? Why even bother with a few cheaters?

Now how is this problem handled? The server is shut down for fixing. That is surely the right thing(TM) to do. We are told, that there is a sure way to find the cheaters and that their accounts will be deleted. Well, this sounds like overreacting to me. A cheater will have a new account in no time and if this is his or her main intention in the game the deletion of the old account will only be a minor nuisance. If the way to determine cheaters is not absolutely foolproof and you cannot really separate them from people who found the bug and maybe never noticed, you will hurt only the people who you punish wrongly. Only think about all the guilds where large sums of money are currently collected for the guild treasure by members working day and night to get enough money to have perhaps a chance of aquiring a guild house! Punishing only one player wrongly will do more harm than anything you can gain by punishing the right people. I can only hope that you are totally aware of this.
Why don't you keep it behind the curtains? If you know who cheated you also have their mail addresses. Therefore you can handle the whole affair silently perhaps with the announcement that these people have been or will be dealt with.

And now this abysmal thread. Who gave you the right to judge your players morally? Who gave you the right to start a witch hunt which brings forth - as you can already read in this thread - all the bad things in people even down to denouncing others? This is an outrage and completely unresponsible and being in a position of power you really should know better than this!

Perhaps you should all take a step back and rethink this whole affair. It has gotten way out of perspective!

P.S.: No, I don't like cheaters but I also know that they are unavoidable and the faster you learn this lesson the better you can sleep in the future.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2007, 03:23:40 pm by garbald »

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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2007, 02:20:29 pm »
If you don't care for the way it is being handled, I can show you the exit, and you are free to leave and not return.  :)

And for the rest of you that has been able to keep it professional and not run around screaming like a headless chicken, a movie.  Enjoy  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXxrjnVE9A

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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2007, 02:29:36 pm »
Lol,
"Forgive me father for I have sinned..."

Its cool, that you're giving the people a chance to save their characters, but the whole righteous, morally upper class slant to this thread is hilarious.
It almost sounds as if you'd like an apology. so you're going to have a hundred and one people lying through their teeth about how they are sorry for finding a way to get further; immoral, unfair and against the rules as it is.


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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2007, 02:31:57 pm »
If you don't care for the way it is being handled, I can show you the exit, and you are free to leave and not return.  :)

And for the rest of you that has been able to keep it professional and not run around screaming like a headless chicken, a movie.  Enjoy  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXxrjnVE9A

Hmm, think you can give a time frame to the honest players when the game might be back up? It might soothe some of Headless Chickens,  ;) And on a second note maybe explain how a chicken that doesnt have a head can scream ;D

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« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2007, 02:38:23 pm »
@Neko.
It might be a good idea to not dismiss my earlier post so easily. It was written after a lot of thought and if you learn to bear with people of differing opinions you might find out that not all who do not agree with you are screaming headless chickens.

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2007, 02:55:01 pm »
Mmm i turn up just intime to findout i missed out on some brilliant exploit...sad day indeed..and to top it off i cant play  :-X

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2007, 02:58:21 pm »
It's sad for devs to have to do the police, and it affects every one, because we can't play for now.
But yes, every game has its cheaters...

By the way, while you're punishing those who exploit a bug to make money, what about those who exploit a crash to LOSE money ? I myself tried an interesting technique  :detective: : I dropped 13k on the floor by mistake ; Immediatly, I picked them up, but the server was lagging and crashed a few seconds later. When it came back, my last move wasn't saved ! I definitely lost 13k on the floor ! For this particularly generous donation to Talad, insiduously exploiting a crash, will I be promoted ?  :P

Hope we can play again soon. You all do a great job.  :flowers:
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« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2007, 03:02:55 pm »
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Who gave you the right to start a witch hunt which brings forth

I wondered at first myself, if that window has the intention of finding the people who cheated, while they cant be known for sure by logs etc. Then I started to wonder if its like giving a chance for apologizing and at least showing to be honorable a bit.
But I once more had to rethink when I read the first posts suggesting to make a list of perpetrators public.
Wouldnt starting lynchmob run the streets burning up cheaters be a cheap form of revenge? What would be won by it?
I think to pillory them would lead to nothing but having anger and hate grow in this community. People can be honorable, while falling to cheat in weak moments.

Devs say they can determine those cheaters - Ok, do so.
They need to shut down the server? Ok, annoying, but valid.

So stop focusing on your revenge and bloodthirst, but use the time to figure out a new roleplaying-event for you can set up some kickass plot=P


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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2007, 03:08:59 pm »
* Elvicat hopes he dosn't have any flawed tria on him

not that i think i do  ::|
* Elvicat takes out a whip

arr ye scruvy cheaters here be ye punishment *clash*  :devil:


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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #88 on: September 28, 2007, 03:19:58 pm »
Hopefully those resposible shall attain the appropriate punishment or atleast have the guts to confess so that this situation may be resolved in a matter that will allow all of us whom are innocent to play whitout having to suffer from the weight of the guilt that those who cheated have done... At any rate... Keeping fingers crossed that the situation will have a good end and that all of us will be back to RPing or whatever else your poison may be ^^.

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Hopefully it shall be full and the party will be back as it used to be...

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #89 on: September 28, 2007, 03:25:25 pm »
OK we have all these posts but still no ANSWER to the QUESTION half of us are asking.. WHAT WAS THE EXPLOIT? .. like i said allot of noobs just stumble around till they. get the hang of the game .. also like i said "most exploits are found by accident!"   i dont see why one of the admins could clear this up.. it would stop allot of the confusion surrounding this whole ordeal.. i have just a few questions if you feel scared to discuss the exploit.. the only reason not to disclose thte exploit would be "you guys cant fix it". and you dont want anyone else exploiting it.. here are my simple questions . did the exploit invole:
 
1.) Did the exploit involve dropping items then picking them back up..(who hasn't done that 50 million times)(i see people go into the winch drop some moten gold then drop other ores with it then pick the lot back up.. either this is the same old stacking problem or someone is using a exploit)
2.) Did it involve trading trias then canceling the trade ( who hasn't done that)
3.) was the result of the exploit a small gain in trias or was it a doubling of trias (i wouldn't notice a extra 50k in trias but i would notice if my trias doubled)

IF YOU COULD PLEASE ANSWER THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS I THINK ALLOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T WORRY SO MUCH..and could relax a little.