Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons

[Earl_Listbard]

On the issue of genetics more to come soon.

I think the animal/human distinction is a crock of shite, but ps will have varying opinions on this in the in game literature. (although not explicitly as genetics per se)

Enkidukai are no more animals than ylians are and ylians are no less animal than kikiri, however the enkidukai are as genetically "advanced" as any other species considered sentient.

The only oddity is the diaboli and ynwwn for now we can assume they are animals too with some "specialness."

All this about genetics makes me curious for reasons I won't explain because they are secret.

Speak for yourself. I am not an animal.
Damn dirty apes!

I wash everyday 

Seriously though Kran have to be an exception as well. I am a rock!

I was actually wondering about kran. According to some NCP's kran's eat crystals (making them vegetarians?). My question is that if they eat crystals so much why aren't they treated like food and actually sold in places like the tavern. Also can they only eat crystals and it's just not been implemented or can they eat whatever they like. I can think of more questions but I'm sure these would help me answer the others on my own.

reason... Ok I need a show of hands.... Who here has the guts to walk up to a kran and say... "Hold still while I chop you up and sell you at the tavern..."

....Anyone?..... No?.... why not?



maybe it has something to do with krans.... As they speak... they're big, and unlike vegitation, they move... And can hold claymores.


though I just have to ask, if you want to be a vegitarian be my guest... But uhhhmm, i've read through this thread but I still am unsure of the whole... point.


Sorry :s

[bilbous]

Kran are not vegetarians, they are omnivores as far as I can tell. Real omnivores not like the way the term is usually applied. They can eat just about anything, but what they can get nutrition from is another matter. Certainly if they can eat rocks and dirt and whatever buying food would not come easy as the environment is full of things to eat. I really wonder if they have any sense of taste, it seems unlikely as the majority of taste comes from the olfactory nerve ... smell that is. If they do not breathe much do they smell much? At any rate I doubt many Kran are herbivores although wood (branches, bark, etc)  might offer sufficient resistance to be palatable.

So bread, apples, carrots, mushrooms, and pie are or were in the game, several quests also call for berries and such although you can't buy them otherwise, other types of food amount to two kinds of fish, I think, so just about everyone who eats is a vegetarian whether they like it or not. I am undecided whether to include clacker meat as food as it can't be eaten. I suppose it should be included. Have I forgotten anything else? We could include various other animal parts as food but it is unclear if they are edible and certainly they cannot currently be eaten.

[Earl_Listbard]

Meat, carp fish, and fish all exist... My character always buys some meat at kada-els...

So no not everyone is a vegie head.

[SerqFeht]

was actually wondering about kran. According to some NCP's kran's eat crystals (making them vegetarians?).

Aren't Krans really sentiant, animated silicon crystals? They eat crystals? Krans are cannibals! CANNIBALS! 

[lurkmost]

That's no more cannibalistic than humans eating mammals.

...

I wonder if you can eat a glyph?

If so, I wanna be a magitarian... Futharkarian? Glypherian? Transcendental Sentowaveform Omnisorb?

[Zan]

Religious or cultural reasons why one should be a vegetarian are in hands of the Settings, not us players. Personal reasons, specific for your character are in your hands however. If you want to create a vegetarian, by all means go ahead ... just do keep in mind that the majority of 'animals' in Yliakum wants to eat you and suck your bones dry. So doing it out of kindness to animals is a bit out there

[Zan]

Only if you're very careful with your interpretations. Too much free interpretation will create an unrealistic world. You can claim all you want about your character and whatever he creates but you cannot claim anything about things that are bigger than your character. You cannot say that, for example, followers of Talad are vegetarians. You can't think up a religious branch with hundreds of followers that has been around for ages, who are all vegetarians.  The settings are responcible for the world we play in, we are only responcible for our own characters.

However your character can try to start his own cult of vegetarians. S/he can think up reasons and create something but whether it survives and grows will be up to the other players that join.

I hope you see the difference here. There is a very fine line between creating our characters and letting them affect the world ... and affecting the world to fit in a character that normally wouldn't. It'd be nice if more people realized this, a lot of godmodding and inconsistencies in RP can be avoided that way.

[Kieve]

"In related news, several members of the Vegan Guild were slain today during their protest outside Hydlaa's gates. It seems their cries of 'meat is murder!' attracted a passing herd of Tefusangs, who devoured several of the protestors before city guards could intervene. Memorial services are scheduled for tomorrow, where their remains will be laid to rest in the Temple of Laanx.

The irony of the attack was not lost on the guildmaster, who was quoted as saying 'Well, Tefusangs [are] made of meat'..."


   Them tefus be good eatin', if you cook 'em right....

[Kieve]

@Temp1:
Kieve has two e's. Kiev is a city in the Ukraine, and a poultry dish.
Also, I figured as much. It was a joke... I make those, occasionally.
But I suspect relativley peaceful 'protestors' would be unprepared for a herd of angry tefusangs...

Anyhow, I think that does pretty much sum it up. You could have a char. with fixed beliefs. Maybe form a guild on the idea and gather like-minded individuals. But until Settings hammers down the messy details, that's about the extent of it.

[Zan]

Glad to see we're on the same level then  Ya never know, I've seen people think up crazy things to incorporate their desires into this game

Anyways I'll look out for someone who orders a vegetarian dish at Kada's next time I visit.

[Under the moon]

* Under the moon grins.

"At least when I eat a cow I have the decency to kill it first, you're eating that apple ALIVE."

Just had to toss that out. No opinion on the ingame subject. Do what you want, and eat what your character would eat. You can't abuse imaginary animals.

[neko kyouran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

thats all i have to say. 

[Farren Kutter]

A moral objection to animal suffering is sufficent I think.

As for DNA, every living thing needs a type of replicator to survive, be it DNA, RNA or something we don't know about.

Okies, read up to this and thought for a moment...

Okay, I'll give it to you in some places on earth for food, animals are made to suffer. A little. But mostly, and probably ALWAYS in Yliakum unless the butcher was cruel, the animals would be dead before they knew anything hit them. Vegetarians generally either are vegetarian for the dislike of the taste of meat, dislike of the killing of animals, or because they are dieting. Vegans are usually because of the moral standpoint. They just don't eat any animal products, and there is variety on how careful they are. on EARTH, no matter what, face it you're gonna use animal parts. Otherwise you're gonna stink, starve, etc. I respect their opinions, of course. I just dislike the ones that are yelling at me for eating it. Which are rare, but I've actually met quite a few of them and I have SOOO wanted to tell them that their animal product made soap smells so good Anyways. PS, I can see it to the minor vegetarian level for the taste concept, but the moral idea and dieting are probably out the window. Moral because it isn't cruelty to butcher an animal the way it should be (heck think of the poor animals killed by other animals that die slowly when we do it quick and knock their heads of with an axe, or on earth kill them instantly with a spike through the neck). Dieting... Heck, that is generally solved because people actually have to work for a living instead of sit around all day doing nothing, or doing something but still sitting all day.Most people are warriors, miners, blacksmiths, etc, and all give a fair amount of a workout, which gets rid of the need for dieting for the most part. As for protein alternatives, I don't see that being very prevalent in PS just because it doesn't seem worth it. If you think about it, in medieval timeframes they didn't really worry about it. Food is food, if it keeps you alive, you eat it. As an off note, people would need the fats from the meats for their energy Kran.... Are a different story all together.

[Parallo]

Suffering bad, killing instantly good? Is that your hard and fast moral rule, or is it different for murder?

[Farren Kutter]

Put it this way, would you rather die fast and painless or slow and painful? We're omnivores, we eat animals and plants.Heck I think even deer gorge on blood at some point to gain needed nutrients. We're animals, they're animals, they eat other animals, so do we. In PS, it may be different, but from what we have to go on, I'd say it probably goes the same way. Murder is a purely human concept. Animals do not seem to care about murder, so they seem to be exempt from it. Heck, they kill each other half the time. Never heard of survival of the fittest?