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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 05:48:48 am »
Im sry if this is off topic but.. well the forum doesnt have a "IS THIS BETTER THAN WOW? SECTION"
lawl... im a noob just answer my Q's PLS
Is the game as "fun" as WoW??
ive been playing WoW for a while now, but its expensive!!! is this the free maybe better alternative?

Any game's official forums that belong to their developers (or anyone closely associated with them) are always heavily biased. This particular forum is also heavily censored. Typically, majority of PS players hate WoW and often throw insults towards its player base. That seems to be a popular thing to do around here due to WoW's success.

WoW is leaps ahead of PS in every aspect, including RP, even if you only compare the open betas.

I've been playing PS for about six months, so that's a fair amount of time to be able to evaluate the game. I honestly cannot recommend it as a fun MMORPG. Numerous persisting bugs that don't get fixed for months (and years, according to some posts), constant server issues, lack of implemented skills and content are quite evident. The developers seem to be preoccupied with implementing "penalties" before implementing the solutions for avoiding them. For example, a stamina recovery penalty was implemented before the availability of mounts, portals or any other means of travel, besides your feet. The death penalty (your stats are halfed for 30 mins, while you have to navigate a maze) was implemented before a portal to the Death Realm is put into the game (consider that DR has quests and trainers in it). The initial idea was to half the stats for 6 hours... And so on.

While WoW has more non-RP oriented players than RP-oriented ones, there are still more RP types than in PS because of the sheer number of people that play the game. And the RP in WoW is much better than in PS too. I have personally not experienced anything special about RP in PS. Most of it usually revolves around using the chat system to compensate for and invent things that the game mechanics don't support. And those mechanics don't support quite a lot. In fact, the local idea of RP seems to be more of a "poor theater stage" or "school play" without any elements of the G (game), while the actual in-game experience is a grind, which encourages power-leveling.

Many quests require leveling various skills, which take a long amount of time and large amounts of money to raise. If you aren't ready for those quests, it's often too late because you can't discard them or you can't get them back in the future and taking more than a single quest often bugs other quests. That, in turn, prompts a lot of monotonous grinding. In addition, majority of quests revolve around doing menial "to- and fro-" tasks between NPCs for trivial rewards. Many of them are severely bugged as well.

There is only a single level, out of eight, in PS, and even that is not fully implemented. However "expansive" it may be in settings, it is not expansive at all in practice. There is also a Death Realm, which is far from complete. Many races and genders are missing a 3D model, so you have to use a substitute. The interface is very clunky and nothing like what you're used to in WoW. The graphics quality does not correspond to the game's framerate at all, even with fairly modern computers.

Contrary to the local belief, WoW is not exclusively filled with "l33t pwnz0rs" and PS isn't a wonderful magic place filled with "friendly community" and "RP loving crowd". The fact that some people here use an excuse of "you've been hanging with the wrong crowd" proves that many RP'ers here aren't as great as the sticker says. The "RP crowd" in PS is often filled with elitists trying to out-bicker each other. I found the moderators and community here to be rude and unprofessional. Some "fans" seem to be in an almost euphoric state raving about and praising various penalties and trivial things in the game, and attempting to insult anyone who disagrees.

The aforementioned "poll" is from October 2007 and only 102 people have voted in total (only 72 voted for Roleplay). Does that prove that the game is dying? Where is the touted 150~200 players online at the same time on average or is that 48~98 non-RP'ers that did not vote? Where is the option of "Nothing at all"? WoW has millions of people playing with a much larger RP base than that and it's not difficult to find them. As far as polls go, there is a poll of the most voted and most popular MMORPGs on MMORPG.com, both released or still in development. Not surprisingly, PlaneShift isn't on that list. That does prove something, doesn't it?

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 06:42:20 am »
So i guess you don't play PS any more huh?


your post only brings more questions to mind:

why are you still playing if you dislike it so much?

If you find that alot of players don't RP, then why haven't you mentioned anything on the forums?

Have you done anything to possibly improve PS even the slightest?

If not, then why even bother comparing PS to WoW? Unless it was to simply say that you don't like it, then that brings us back to the first question: why are you still playing it?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 07:01:12 am by Liadan »

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 07:21:34 am »
Hmm, I'm not going to deny anything you said because, to be honest, much of it is true.

If you came here expecting a WoW-like experience you will be disappointed.  It would be foolish to deny that.

PlaneShift is based around being free, having a great community (Though, admittedly, it is hard for a new player to really find the community.  The usually find themselves walking around like headless chickens, though I think the tutorial will help that.) and being available on all Operating Systems.  The first point tends to attract many people, most of which will not enjoy PlaneShift.  The last point is probably the most important in some ways, it attracts very many computer savvy people which end up polluting our dear IRC channel with intelligence! :P

The simple fact is that PlaneShift caters to, and has always catered to, those with more imagination.  If you write, you'll like PlaneShift, if you wish you could write, you'll like PlaneShift, if you're a jock... There's less chance you'll like PlaneShift - "PlaneShfit - Day dreamers wanted" :P .  Perhaps in time it'll attract the WoW crowd but, if that happens, I'll probably end up leaving.

I have played both EQ2 and WoW, they are simply games.  PS is a world.

(I do realize how corny that sounds, no need to point it out :P )

(By the way EQ2 > WoW ... WoW was basically a dumbed down version of EQ2)

Try it out, SloberDuck.  I don't think you'll be the PlaneShift kind of person but, you never know.
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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 08:01:13 am »
I love the people who come and stay for a long time only to trash ps in the end.

We should never be compared to a game with 300 or more devs making 50k or more a year, that is unfair trite and trivial.

What ps has done on zero budget is amazing.

As someone who has roleplayed seriously for 17 years I can say with complete objectivity that the single greatest roleplaying experiences I have ever had have occurred within planeshift.

Planeshift is not in the same class of game as WoW, nor will it ever be.

Planeshift does not sell itself.

Planeshift does not profit.

The idea, on any level that we are should be or can compete with a game making millions every year in a timeframe that is similar to theirs is absurd, but do not doubt our will. Do not doubt our abilities, and do not doubt our appeal. In time ps will find a more abiding niche than these games which come and go.

We will lose people looking for bright shiny things.

We will lose people looking for "customer service," we have no customers.

We will lose the over-critical people who exhibit no patience, but we will abide.

Ps has something that cannot be competed with, or bested, or overtaken.

Planeshift is free, planeshift cares for its players, planeshift cares. One who plays planeshift can know they are part of a growing project, they can know personally the people who develop it, they can live their lives with people who realistically believe that profit is not the ultimate motive for action.

I have made many sacrifices for this game. A time will come when due to the realities of the world, I will have to move on and take better care of myself, but I will not think of the time I spent here as lost. I will think that I gave to something that asked nothing of me something that lives and breathes by its contributors and fans, something that did not move because its movements made money, that did not move because reality moved, but moved and grew and changed in a way that reflected the will of people who believed a feature rich game should be provided to people for nothing.

The only thing I would ask in return is that others believe in the dream, that others spend of their time to give back to the project a fraction of the hours of enjoyment planeshift has given to them. If everyone that "passes through" planeshift gives a bit of their time, a bit of their care and concern, a rich legacy is left for others in a place in life to need or want a free game.

I would ask for nothing more from those who "consume" this game, that to realize that they can help it, that sitting on the sidelines hating it, or comparing it to other games, or undermining it in the public arena is showing oneself as unworthy of the sacrifices made to make it possible, present, palpable.

So much energy is wasted in trying to make ps what it cannot be, one should spend one's time making it what it can be, which is truly great.

Why settle for flashy and profitable when we can be deep, educational, liberating, and free?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 08:16:02 am by Xillix Queen of Fools »

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 08:24:47 am »
* Liadan applauds Xillix, "Hear, hear"

* Liadan also refrains from hugging Xillix.


What he said is true. It's a whole different world than what WoW is.

I really wish i could put PS into that presentation of mine....along with that speech.

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 08:37:55 am »
Xillix is wise. You should all listen carefully! Talad is driving PS development with a passion and you should all thank him for that. Without Talad there would have been no PlaneShift. So lets keep the community in good spirit and make PS good. Because the quality of PS is not only a matter of technical issues (bugs and features) but also (and very importantly so) a matter of a good role-playing community. Despite PlaneShift's technical problems it is very easy to see (at least for me) that there is a lot of potential here. Yes, it might sometimes go slow. And yes, sometimes a bug stays in PS for ages. And yes, sometimes you don't get the features you ask for. At least not immediately. But remember that PlaneShift is created by volunteers who work on it in their free time.

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 08:43:46 am »
[Not reading, too long (Hexvuur's)]
He just wants your attention, dunno why the heck y'all giving it to him...then again he totally asked for it :P
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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 11:03:57 pm »
Im sry if this is off topic but.. well the forum doesnt have a "IS THIS BETTER THAN WOW? SECTION"
lawl... im a noob just answer my Q's PLS
Is the game as "fun" as WoW??
ive been playing WoW for a while now, but its expensive!!! is this the free maybe better alternative?
Blablaaah blah blah. Blah blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaablaaaaaaablahhhhh. Blah bla blah.

You get what you pay for.
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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2007, 12:25:16 am »
Simple WoW is great if ur 10-15 or simple minded it's full of basic dumbed down gameplay and not worth paying 4. if u want a good mmo to play apart from PS ofc go try sommin challanging like anarchy online

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2007, 12:53:17 am »
Xillix post pretty much says it all.  BTW standing ovation from myself Xillix, that is the least I can do for such a well thought out post with so many good points. This one sentence says it all really ....

What ps has done on zero budget is amazing.

You can't compare WoW to PS. Why? Because this game is still in development, and WoW isn't. This game doesn't have paid staff, Wow does. This game is non profit, WoW isn't. This game is going to go through major changes and growing pains. Of course there is room for complaining and nitpicking. Of course there are bugs and glitches! Of course there are things about the game that can be better. What in the heck do you think the PS staff is working towards?

 :sorcerer: Anyway, I am proud to be a planeshifter. I thank the staff for allowing us players to come along for the ride with the process. It has taught me a new respect for how much work goes into making game like this, or any game for that matter.

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2007, 02:16:43 am »
:) The best way to answer your question would be for you to actually log into game and try it. It is free.  Not one person in this community will have the same opinion about the game, but most will tell you it is different from other online games. We like to roleplay in this community. If you are thinking about giving planeshift a chance I would recommend taking the time to read some of the stickies in the forums. You will have questions and this is the best place to find answers. Please keep in mind this game is nothing like WOW, comparing it would be a huge mistake.  Welcome to planeshift and I hope you enjoy your stay here.
im dl'ing it right now, thnkx for ur answer :D  ;D

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2007, 10:22:39 pm »
Its a little naive to call something which is 100% free as good as a multi-million dollar game. Games cost that much because it takes years to create such a deep and complex game, much like WoW.

Its like comparing Apples (PS) and Oranges (WoW) only the Orange is a Watermelon.

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2007, 07:28:51 pm »

We should never be compared to a game with 300 or more devs making 50k or more a year, that is unfair trite and trivial.

What ps has done on zero budget is amazing.

As someone who has roleplayed seriously for 17 years I can say with complete objectivity that the single greatest roleplaying experiences I have ever had have occurred within planeshift.

Why settle for flashy and profitable when we can be deep, educational, liberating, and free?

That, is so true. I can rightly say that over the several years I have played games as well, PlaneShift stuck with me, and has and always will be my true favorite Rp game. It is unique, and I miss it :'(. Xillix voices my opinion, as well as the opinions of everyone else, it seems. It's just incredible what Talad and the rest of them have done, and for that they deserve so much more.
Applause for our volunteers, please, they have made PlaneShift truly more enjoyable and deep than WoW.

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2007, 09:01:53 pm »
Planeshift and WoW.....are not very similar at all. WoW is based on game mechanics: Dueling, LvLing, Pking....Pking....and so on and so forth. PS however, doesnt really focus on the concept of levelling to level or levelling to PK. While many players end up maxing out most stats on their characters, they really only do it for one of three reasons.

1. They should be playing WoW and don't know it ;)

2. They want to be able to kill an Ulber (A good reason believe it or not :D)

3. They feel they need to in order to compete with stronger characters both in game mechanics and Roleplay situations.

Planeshift is a tightly knit community, and we're very proud to say that we have come this far on the hard work and cooperation of not only our Developers but the players as well! WoW is not very tightly knit, as far as I can see, and last I checked, the developers and/or origional creator don't make a habit of checking in on their forums to see how things are going. Anyways, I really just want you to know that Planeshift is NOT WoW and I dearly hope it never WILL be. But if it's this good compared to WoW, especially while its still in development, I would say that you'll enjoy it very much.

And plus, its FREE!

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Re: Is this game Expansive like WoW?
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2007, 03:35:30 pm »
thread is getting really off topic :)

is free! is pretty! is fun!

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