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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2008, 03:04:06 am »
well at lease we all know now who that someone was ;)

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2008, 08:37:48 am »
That the Someone-problem prevents me from rping even works in the forum... I didn't really read the chatlog  :-X

But about the confusion and oocishness (Hmm, I like that word) I think all players just have to bear with it. Even small events are hard to organize and since players are free in their action things rarely go as planned. This is really difficult for those who organize, even more if the participants are impatient or can't wait for some reason.
For the rest I cannot really say much because I wasn't there. Just how much I apppreciate events like that *bows before those who made the event*

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2008, 10:04:11 am »
Thank you SO much Sen for you nice post. I really appreciate that. Even tho this was in no way my idea, I just ended up taking the fall for it ;)
And I know Paveroch and Xeonart are discssuing how much they can get if they turn in Izzy and make up lies :P

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2008, 11:54:53 am »
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From what I know most people where disguised as to keep themselves from being known. Those who were not disguised or able to hide their identies know the consequnces and know they shouldn't be setting foot in the city less they want to be punished with death. The attack was oocly designed to fail and it did so ingame as well so I doubt there would be much care from the octarch but I don't speak for him

If the Octarchy wont react on something like this since it is to be taken oocish, so no one is ought to know about that "mess" icly? So it never really happened? lol
Either it took place and the government should make some decisions here for this wont be able to happen again, or it did not take place since it was too occ. And if something big like that really would have happened, then the rulers should move butt;)
Just asking since I wonder if my char will know of it or not when I am able to login next time o/

Still wondering, and one asked for that in ooc brackets ingame lol:
Outlaws strolled into town, put on their disguises and did their ambush? Did they also control no one is going to leave the area for alarming other guards? Was considered that other armies will come and arrest/sentence to death everyone disguised?
All in all.. although I have some certain feeling here: Wasnt it more some pretty much "isolated" event without considering much realism? From what I could read so far I would prefer to chars wont know of that whole (ooc-)mess lol - no offense Izzy, you know I love you=P

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2008, 12:42:11 pm »
Well been reading the book on law.

Lets see now. What laws you may have broken.

Lets start with low laws.

XXV. No aggressive spells shall be cast inside of the town unless used in the defense of the town
XXVIII. Kidnapping when not at war is illegal.
XXVIX. Providing false testimony is illegal.
XXXI. Disruption of commerce or farming is illegal.
XXXII. Defacing a temple or place of assembly is punishable by imprisonment. Other vandalism is punishable by fine.

Lets now look at some high lows that may have bee broken.

XXXIII. Murder is a high crime. One shall never move to put another to death. Too many become lost in the Realm of Death. Anyone caught manufacturing or distributing poisons which cause the permanent death shall be cast into the crystal. Anyone who shall murder another, be they infant or elderly, shall face justice determined by the Octarch of the level on which the murder was committed.
XXXV. Fire is a bane to all inhabitants of Yliakum. Anyone caught starting a fire with the intent of destroying property or depriving people of life or property shall be guilty of a high crime.
XXXVII. When the Octarchy is challenged by the pressures of the labyrinth it will be considered treason to try to do harm to anyone else without their consent. This applies to men, women, kran and children.

Would not like to be in there shoes. Would you?

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2008, 01:37:16 pm »
Wow, give the bad a chance - we already have too few good bad ones in ps   :P

Sorry for  :offtopic:
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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2008, 05:30:39 pm »
lol aslong as its figured more properly ;)

However, that whole thing makes me think of what I was told once, for some reason:
An Outlaw whose name I wont mention told me oocly in tells that he was granted permission to kill some famous evildoer in front of the official Hydlaa Guards. That permission also made him untouchable by the Guards, means they would neither imprison nor punish him, at least he said this was permitted to him by the DE leader Sangwa lol.. Of course in the end he refused to be punished at all.
Either that player had no clue of rping, or his char was fooled badly xD

Point is, I wonder, with all the broken laws, how many players will rp this whole blockade to be ic-ish valid? I doubt every single Outlaw would have escaped unrecognized in a serious rp at all - few maybe but by far not all!

So how are you folks handling it? Fun oocish not affecting rp's at all, or do most people run around rp'ing a huge blockade and robbery in Gugrontid lately, and the Octarchy only watches, leaving the platinum-miners and the entire Kran-town up to their own fate?

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2008, 05:56:44 pm »
Hmmm. From the logs I have seen, my complaint would be all the idiots who thought it necessary to shout their idiotic, OOC, rude, and unintelligent opinions that the event sucked and announce that they were leaving (also in shout).

My advise to those morons: Do as I do. If you find yourself in an event you do not like... quietly walk away. Or in your case, that would more likely be: run away with weapons in both hands.

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2008, 07:14:26 pm »
Well been reading the book on law.

Lets see now. What laws you may have broken.

Lets start with low laws.

XXV. No aggressive spells shall be cast inside of the town unless used in the defense of the town
XXVIII. Kidnapping when not at war is illegal.
XXVIX. Providing false testimony is illegal.
XXXI. Disruption of commerce or farming is illegal.
XXXII. Defacing a temple or place of assembly is punishable by imprisonment. Other vandalism is punishable by fine.

Lets now look at some high lows that may have bee broken.

XXXIII. Murder is a high crime. One shall never move to put another to death. Too many become lost in the Realm of Death. Anyone caught manufacturing or distributing poisons which cause the permanent death shall be cast into the crystal. Anyone who shall murder another, be they infant or elderly, shall face justice determined by the Octarch of the level on which the murder was committed.
XXXV. Fire is a bane to all inhabitants of Yliakum. Anyone caught starting a fire with the intent of destroying property or depriving people of life or property shall be guilty of a high crime.
XXXVII. When the Octarchy is challenged by the pressures of the labyrinth it will be considered treason to try to do harm to anyone else without their consent. This applies to men, women, kran and children.


Some of those crimes were done by Outlaws. Before the attack, all have been told by Orgonwukh to cloak themselves in order to not be punished for those crimes. If, however, the danger of being caught would arise, the order was to fight to death, because escaping the death realm would be preferred instead of being put to perma-death by the government's executive. Izzabella was an exception since she said her name (which could be a feint by someone else to blame her for a crime she had not done). However, she murdered noone, caused no fire and did no harm to anyone without their consent. Additionally, no witness for the crime of kidnapping has been found yet and hence I see no reason why she should fear any punishment.
Nevertheless, Izzabella is hiding outside town until 'negotiations' ensure there will no witness at all.

In my opinion it is very hard to play the bad guys when even the good guys constantly violate low and high crimes without being punished (for example XXXVIV by entering the stone head caves or XXXVI by droping slags, animal parts and items, see also http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=32009.0).




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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2008, 07:21:54 pm »
 :offtopic: Isn't XXXVIV improper nomenclature? Is it meant to be XXXIX i.e. 39?

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2008, 08:32:20 pm »
Point is, I wonder, with all the broken laws, how many players will rp this whole blockade to be ic-ish valid? I doubt every single Outlaw would have escaped unrecognized in a serious rp at all - few maybe but by far not all!

Everyone who signed up for the event knew the risks and the laws they could potentially break. A lot of precautions were taken in order to stop people from getting found out. For the most part it worked but there are a few people who have been spending their time outside the city from what I've seen. None of us are trying to break laws and say "Well I don't have to be punished or try to hide." If anyone did do that I'd personally hit them myself  :P

Take it like this, you can niether claim that a specific person was revealed nor can you prove they weren't. You'll just have to take their word for it and our word OOCly that we aren't trying to act as if we are immune to laws. Whether you trust or not is up to you.

However, that whole thing makes me think of what I was told once, for some reason:
An Outlaw whose name I wont mention told me oocly in tells that he was granted permission to kill some famous evildoer in front of the official Hydlaa Guards. That permission also made him untouchable by the Guards, means they would neither imprison nor punish him, at least he said this was permitted to him by the DE leader Sangwa lol.. Of course in the end he refused to be punished at all.
Either that player had no clue of rping, or his char was fooled badly xD

I know exactly who your talking about and I can't say I know why he's doing that. Has nothing to do with me or this though, I suppose just leave him in his own imaginary world.  :P
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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2008, 08:47:16 pm »
Wow are you guys seriously going to pull this card?
Are you saying that there are to be no Evil guilds, no PvP because someone might die and if you win then you get perma-death. Oh and devs, don't bother implementing back stab or pick pocketing, cause if we use em we are in big trouble! You can't create a perfect world, the RL governments have been trying that for years and yet people still get away with crime all the time.
I am not saying I did not think about the Otcarcd and settings before I agreed to have Izzy participate in this event, what I did think about was how the hero's and the bad guys could actually use their skills and PvP and RP and have FUN! It was a player event, therefore I was and still am willing to accept any punishment that a player willing to put upon me, we stayed away from hydlaa because it was heavily guarded. If they were all sleeping at the time of the attack, no my fault, I am not going to God mode the NPC's and say they all came running to help.  To be honest we KNEW we were to fail and get run out of town..that was the POINT! the idea now is that we are hanging out on the roads, sparking ROLE PLAY ( you know the point of the game) out on the roads and not just in town (which has even been scarce lately as well).
and I am sure there is not ONE of you who has ever been 100% correct with the settings and the laws. so give us a break. we've learned a lot from our mistakes on this event, thats also a good thing you know.



Quote from: Janner on March 25, 2008, 04:42:11 AM
Well been reading the book on law.

Lets see now. What laws you may have broken.

Lets start with low laws.

XXV. No aggressive spells shall be cast inside of the town unless used in the defense of the town {izzy never cast spells she only uses two and usually just heal even at that]

XXVIII. Kidnapping when not at war is illegal. [first off all but one ere decoys, fakes, and the one that I did nap said her char never knew who did it or a name and she's just glad to be alive and safe with her baby and won't press charges because she's a bit too scared and would rather just let it drop...and we had kinda declared war as well yeah :P]
XXVIX. Providing false testimony is illegal.   [name one char or person that's never lied...not to mention you have to prove we lied ;)]
XXXI. Disruption of commerce or farming is illegal. [we never said they had to stop mining...just that should give us the ores...and even so we did not take anything from anyone actually]
XXXII. Defacing a temple or place of assembly is punishable by imprisonment. Other vandalism is punishable by fine.  [yeah yeah I've done this in the past, again if you get caught ;)]

Lets now look at some high lows that may have bee broken.

XXXIII. Murder is a high crime. One shall never move to put another to death. Too many become lost in the Realm of Death. Anyone caught manufacturing or distributing poisons which cause the permanent death shall be cast into the crystal. Anyone who shall murder another, be they infant or elderly, shall face justice determined by the Octarch of the level on which the murder was committed.
XXXV. Fire is a bane to all inhabitants of Yliakum. Anyone caught starting a fire with the intent of destroying property or depriving people of life or property shall be guilty of a high crime. [how did we start a fire...uhh we did not..]
XXXVII. When the Octarchy is challenged by the pressures of the labyrinth it will be considered treason to try to do harm to anyone else without their consent. This applies to men, women, kran and children. [and we had the consent of all kidnapped..hence why we used fakes..and the one I did not have ic premisson I never harmed her..in fact izzy gave her baby food, did even tie her up. and in theory we had the consent of anyone killed cause they stepped up to defend the city, as we wanted.]


I don't know what you all want me to do now..okay so I messed up, I made a mistake and now you're saying I can never enter Hydlaa again? fine, then but I tell ya its boring and all get out on the roads, I can kill some mobs, when the are pervious but why? I can't get to my trainers. And so after a while of being bored, I'll stop Playing Izzy and just disappear so that the good guys can have their peaceful perfect world and not have to worry about anything or have anything to fear. My bad for trying to put some realism into the game and trying to spark some Roleplay.

So forget this event happened if you'd like I don't care. go back to your digging for platinum and gold 24/7 and your intense power leveling for whatever reason you might need it for. I have leaned my lesson, its too hard to make everyone happy and you can't follow all the rules and play a bad guy at the same time and I don't see how its fair that now after the hours and hours or time I've spent developing Izzabella ( I don't mean her stats...screw them strip them from me wipe I don't give a rats tail about that, yes I worked hard for that but I worked harder on developing WHO she is in hours of role play) you all now seem to want me to delete Izzabella (again). We've thought long and hard of ways to wiggle her out of this, and we've come with good ideas too but it seems this community wants me gone, so they can have peace....However I challenge you: If your char has ever explored the caves inside the stone head on BD road one..you are not allowed to ever enter hydlaa or a town again, you've been bannaised because you committed the crime of entering a burial well and apparently even tho no players saw you we all KNOW an otracarhd was sitting there watching you.

Relax people its an unfinished game, atm all your doing is driving some of the decent role players away. I know in the future there will be more guards and blah blah blah blah but atm we are working with what we have... and again it was a player event we never wanted the GM's to get involved like this. I am more than willing to go to a trial if you players want to set that up---if you can find and catch izzy and organize it well but you have to ROLE PLAY it, because that's what I love about this game and thats what I was trying to create with this event, and its already started to work! I've role played out on the roads these last few days more and seen more people doing it than I have in my entire time playing PS. So yes punish me I am sorry I created Role play in an RPG.

Now I am sorry if I have offended anyone I am bit ticked off myself and probably should not hit the submit button and take a few days to think about it, but oh well my char is already facing perma death why should I care anymore? and it seems nothing anyone has thought up will save me from this, so its stay in the BD roads and hope no otrcahrd or good guy finds her or I'm gone, You know I even had a guild mate that looks like Izzy say she'd turn herself in and say she was Izzy for me, that really touched me, but I can't let her pay for my mistakes, not to mention I'd still have the name Izzabella and so even if she said she was me and was put to death for it , it just would not work.

But you know what..even if you all say I can never enter hydlaa again: fine, I won't let you run me off that easy, I am not going anywhere. I love this game, the community and the devs, the GM's all of you. I WILL stay in BD roads and role play my heart out and I will bring my guild events to me (we've done several small scale ones in the past few months and have more panned) I even had 'good' guys coming out yesterday to check on Izzy and make sure she was okay and ask about her son and try to make her behave from now on, they believe in forgiveness and that people can change. and maybe if someone makes enough good points to Izzy she will change, if anyone gives her that chance.

I guess that's about all I have to say..oh wait, one more thing @ Velh buddy..you are safe [in here] but you just wait till Izzy finds you in game ;)

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2008, 08:57:40 pm »
Planeshift discussions about these sorts of things always make me think about the three blind men and the elephant.

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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2008, 09:13:52 pm »
Wow never expected this many replies. :sweatdrop:
For the sake of RP DOWN WITH THE PLATINUM MINE! (Or at least surround it with aggressive Ulbernauts)
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Re: Gugrontid Blockade
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2008, 11:02:25 pm »
Hmm, looks like 2 weeks out and I've lost interesting things around. ::|
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(Or at least surround it with aggressive Ulbernauts)
NO, It would be a danger for the gugrontid population! :o  Well I think the kran living on it, will kick those ulbers out of there as fast as we got 2 platinum ores. Doesn't interest for the village, the caravans come from that pass.....
I think that mine will start to have much less the platinum that was before, until the mine.. you know..... goodbye platinum :devil: then, the platinum fever will be almost gone and we will have the good old gold fever, until someone finds a new platinum mine.........

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