Thoughts on train armour/weapons.

[Mordraugion]

I don't think that there is a single armour in the world which is able to withstand a full direct blow of any weapon, not even a set of full plate armour.

* Mordraugion uncoils his whip 

[Kaityra]

I don't think that there is a single armour in the world which is able to withstand a full direct blow of any weapon, not even a set of full plate armour.

* Mordraugion uncoils his whip 

Well, why not. Let the whip coil around the neck of someone in full plate armour and give it a nice pull. Let's see how the person deals with the damage from falling, The natural reaction would be use ones arms to catch the fall...very nice considering the additional weight of the armour. You see, you just need to know how to use your weapons...

[Zan]

These discussions are so silly, it all depends on the circumstances.

If you got your whip around a 130kg weighing, walking beefcake dressed in plate, I'll wager you it's going to be you (or your whip if you're smart) flying towards him and not him towards the ground.

Armor is not useless at all, definitely not on a battlefield where you can be attacked from any direction. It has dominated warfare up until guns started becoming reliable. Simply put, the army with the best armor usually had the advantage. Else nobody would have spent the tremendous effort/cost crafting and distributing it among their troops.

[Kaityra]

These discussions are so silly, it all depends on the circumstances.

If you got your whip around a 130kg weighing, walking beefcake dressed in plate, I'll wager you it's going to be you (or your whip if you're smart) flying towards him and not him towards the ground.

Armor is not useless at all, definitely not on a battlefield where you can be attacked from any direction. It has dominated warfare up until guns started becoming reliable. Simply put, the army with the best armor usually had the advantage. Else nobody would have spent the tremendous effort/cost crafting and distributing it among their troops.

Zan, would you please reread the entries to this thread. Nobody said that armour is useless. The point was if you have to train armour or not. And I still think that an armour is much effective if the wearer is familiar with it. I think it is rather naiv to think that just putting on the heaviest armour you can find will save you from everything on the battlefield. That is all I'm saying and if you think that my remark in regard to whips and plate mail were meant that seriously...well I was not the one who mentioned whips first.

[Under the moon]

Research medieval armor and weapon usage. This is a good place to start: http://www.thearma.org/ . Read some of their articles. Send them an email and ask them if training is beneficial, or even needed for wearing armor of any type. Until then, this discussion is meaningless, invalid speculation and misinformation.

[neko kyouran]

I once heard from this guy that was talking to this other guy who was saying that he was talking to his friend about armor and he said that this other guy wanted to see if he was invincible just by wearing a suit of full plate.......

[Zan]

I don't think that there is a single armour in the world which is able to withstand a full direct blow of any weapon, not even a set of full plate armour.

That sounded like you were saying armor is useless, to me ... since you now toned it down, we are in agreement.

[Kaityra]

I don't think that there is a single armour in the world which is able to withstand a full direct blow of any weapon, not even a set of full plate armour.

That sounded like you were saying armor is useless, to me ... since you now toned it down, we are in agreement.

Well, please bear with as English is not my native language. What I wanted to express was: take the armour with the best armour "rating" (e.g. full plate), take a suitable weapon  (e.g. mace or warhammer) and the armour and its wearer can't deal with a direct full blow.

[MustangMR]

Research medieval armor and weapon usage. This is a good place to start: http://www.thearma.org/ . Read some of their articles. Send them an email and ask them if training is beneficial, or even needed for wearing armor of any type. Until then, this discussion is meaningless, invalid speculation and misinformation.

Very good suggestion.  I scanned a few of the articles I could find on it.  One thing that kind of jumped out was that having armor implied a certain knowledge of maintaining it.  You had to know how to take care of the armors or else they would slowly degrade and become less effective.  You could look at your skill as being able to maintain your armor to its best proficiency.

But that's still layman understanding of it.  Asking some experts would be a great idea.

[Velh Krome]

You had to know how to take care of the armors or else they would slowly degrade and become less effective.  You could look at your skill as being able to maintain your armor to its best proficiency.

I am a bit low on time, thus I cant come up with any addition, but I think what you refer on, MustangMR, is the skill "Repair Armor". When fighting in PS your armor will indeed degrade slowly, and with Repair Kits and the Repair skill you can maintain it - Hm.. wondering though: Does a high Armor skill slow down armor degradation?

[MustangMR]

Yep, I just realized I forgot about the repair armor skill.  What I suggested should really be covered by that skill and is already in the game.  I'm only left with being able to wear it correctly that should make a skill improve with armor, and that's kind of a shaky idea.  I like having the skill affect the amount of damage, but perhaps it should be less of an effect than some are reporting. *shrug*  I'm still a newb here.

[Dajoji]

If you look at the system messages while fighting, you'll notice that the higher your armor skill, the more frequent the ">...but you doged", ">...but you blocked" and ">Your opponent failed to do any damage" messages are, which suggest you're more skilled at deflecting/parrying/evading attacks with the armor, all mostly related to moving in it with ease. Damage varies depending on what kind of weapon your opponent is using, if any, and what kind of armor you are wearing, if any, which kinda makes sense too.

Perhaps the problem has to do more with how many levels you need to train and the progression system rather than the logic behind the use or armor in-game.