Spell eating spell

[verden]

Is this somehow different than the Anti-Magic skill?

[Tuxide]

I find it quite annoying when someone comes up behind me while I am healing myself and practices their healing on me without asking.

I agree with this sentence.  If I wanted to troll the crap out of this game, I'd go to the tavern and repeatedly cast heal spells and unwanted buffs on those who are engaged in RP.  This is called drive-by buffing and is considered an effective way to troll a role-playing intensive game.

[verden]

I can hear the rancor in your voice. Sounds like a separate wish for a spell-spam mute feature...

[Prolix]

Well yes, it is somewhat different with the anti-magic skill as I imagine it will be implemented. I think that skill will be primarily useful for non-magic users and will cause magic effects to be resisted. Such a spell as I initially proposed would be a source of additional magic power for mages who ought to have reduced magic resistance abilities. However as this thread developed the systemic ability to refuse to have your character affected by another came to the forefront. This aspect of the wish is little more than asking for an extension of the anti-pvp measures already in place. Should they be separate feature requests? quite possibly. The latter feature could likely be fairly quickly implemented wheareas the former feature is for the long term.

[Mythryndel]

I do like the original "first" request, where I could convert someone else's spell into mana. I don't know about the implication of the caster not getting anything for casting the spell if I can convert it... but the conversion itself I like.

If I understand the "second" request properly, it is another screw the power levelers feature. Translation: I don't want people to be able to cast spells on me (even those that might benefit me) without permission. Sure, fine, whatever. Just make it to where you have to "accept" a duel just to get healed if that floats your boat. You can't cast spells that will damage another player unless you "accept", why not go the extra mile and say you can't even talk to me without permission too?

I will admit to occasionally coming up and healing someone who was just actively in battle. Ususally "you notice that X is noticably weaker than you" and just got smacked around by a rat.  I do not just "spam heal" people to "gain XP" or to try to level my crystal way. I usually engage the character in conversation after though too... and have never been told to go piss off or anything. I did not realize there was such annoyance with this practice in-game.

[khoridor]

Mythryndel, it is true that such a mechanism is double-edged, like the /challenge tool is. It protects RP in some ways, while it forbids other forms or RP.
I could happily play a case like the one you describe: being healed, then assault verbally the healer, then receive a lecture, or an apology, or a butt-kicking session, or whatever. But indeed you had a reason to heal IC and you did wait for the dialog to occur with that guy. You were in a case where the permission thingy would be more than bizarre.

Unfortunately, most healing happens with no reason, as when walking through Hydlaa plaza, in the Arena, which is the opposite of a hospital, by a merchant while browsing through his wares, or while you're chatting with the NPC best healer of the world. Not to mention that in many cases, you're not even physically injured: Dakkru curse just ended, or you equipped a magical blade raising your stats, or you're quietly sit trying to combine glyphs.... Anyway, all these examples have in common that:
- You are not in danger
- You are not asking for help, although you have all the time you'd need to do so

I'd be happy if players refrained themselves, or if they would just talk before acting, as in "are you injured?". Never mind the trollers (or whatever you call them); there are so many possible ways of annoying someone, this is not the worst one. But if game mechanics are to be added, let's think of a better, less RP intrusive way. Maybe a Resist Healing skill? Healing as a contact spell instead of ranged? Healing only possible inside a group? Healing zones?

I'll keep thinking about it. Meanwhile, I created a healer character, to study things from the other side. In particular, how does a healer fit in a world where people don't die?

[Vannaka]

* Vannaka looks through his logs....

(00:27:43) Vannaka says: It looks like you're taking an awful beating from that trepor.
(00:28:18) Vannaka says: I'm afraid if that goes on much longer you'll end up in the death realm.
(00:28:49) Vannaka says: Do you mind if I heal you real quick? Or would you consider that to be an annoyance... i know how much some people hate to be touched.
[name omitted] has been killed by trepor.
(00:30:08) Vannaka says: That's quite alright, I respect your wishes to not be healed without permission.  Not a problem.  Have a nice day.

see, some people make sure not to heal without consent.

[Mythryndel]

I can see where this might annoy some players, but I (and my character) have always tried to be helpful to new players (characters). I take many things into account, default character description, current health, what creature they were just fighting, what armor/weapons they are using, etc. I will try to chat with them, not always before healing I will admit, but never for personal gain IC or OOC.

Basically, if you are new, I am nice and may take a few more liberties in helping you out. If you have been around for a while, I raise the bar and figure you can fend for yourself unless you specifically ask for help or accept an offer of help. To me, the secondary issue of accepting non-harmful spell-effects, is a low priority, even for a wish. I don't even understand why people would do what has been described (not hurt, but getting healed anyway), given that you can target yourself and heal all day long if all you are doing is training.

[verden]

That's pretty hilarious. Also why I tend to avoid playing this game. Everything seems to devolve into tedium. Heal them all, I say! And follow it with "lolz i h34l3d joo -- teh healerz roolz"!

[Da_Kaos_Child]

I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.

no bug.

your body sheds skin every day as it constantly heals it's self.

if anything we might get some graphics of excess body tissue melting/flaking/falling off the character/characters being over healed.

If i see someone near death in combat , i will heal without word. that is life preservation.

if im in communication or sitting in a cirlce an some1's curse wears off i just heal them

if you are in combat and someone comes up and heals you , it is in good faith.

if your researching spells and taxxing life essance from yourself and someone insists on healing you in a non violent enviroment. then you definatly have reason to think it's pointless.
and there is merit to denial. just spam research and drain your life away , they will give up.

but like others are saying , it's instinctive for a healer to want to heal.

but your argument for healing the healthy = a bug , is pretty flawed

[Elvenspirit]

Well i think Healing spells should only be allowed given that the character trust's another character, it could be programmed where you could enable RP switches which indicates your character is trusting of only certain conditions... Race? Party? Clan?

There is any number of conditions that could be set such as changing your profile description depending on what race's (or players) are around.

[Prolix]

You know I just thought of an even better spell. Let me cast a spell that accepts your healing and takes the health away from you so you wind up killing yourself if you are not paying attention or give me an item that imbues me with that effect and I will never ever remove it! If I had something like that I would never again complain about someone undermining my self-sufficiency in that way again.

Really there should be a law or mages code or something. In a world where anyone can learn magic unsolicited spells cast upon you is just rude. 

I mean you wouldn't go up to someone and drag their armor off them just so you can repair it, I can see it now there you are trying to fight the ulbernaut and I have your left foot in a vice like grip while I apply polish to your boot. Now you are trying to hammer an axe blade you are crafting and I hit it three times to your one. Oh wait, all those things are prevented by the game mechanics.


Oh and what I consider a bug ( a personal opinion, of course) is getting practice points for wasting mana. Unfortunately that is pretty much the only way to level some Ways. Please allow me to cast a couple hundred defensive winds in the plaza just to gain a level or two. That is like learning to drive by sitting in the drivers seat and going vrooom vroom! Beep beep Get out my way or I'll run you down.

Personally if I was the god Talad I would get extremely annoyed at all the losers cheapening my gift to the people.