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Requested Quest Wipes
« on: September 27, 2008, 06:38:24 pm »
I've recently made a petition asking that I have my faction, current quests, and completed quests wiped from my character. My reason? Because when I first made the character, I wasn't sure exactly what path I would've wanted him to take, but at this point I realize that he wouldn't have been a thief that snuck into the winch. People can have other reasons, just as good, to have these things wiped. However, it's come to my attention that the GM policy doesn't allow them to do this, since if it was done for me, they'd have to do it for everyone. That isn't necessarily true, since if I have a reason of having them wiped that includes RP reasons and "fixing" my character, which I believe is a reasonable request, someone else might simply want them wiped because they want more money/PP, which is pretty much a waste of time on the GM's part since they should be fighting/mining or whatever players do for such things.

So, my wish, is that the policy be changed to allow people to fix their characters and not have to be a "good-natured" character with "evil" faction points, per say. Even if faction points don't do anything at the moment, they still hold importance in describing what kind of character you have.

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 06:40:15 pm »
right now the gms have no way to do what was requested fully, you cant remove items and faction points from quests as far as i know so this will take a lot of work.

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 06:41:38 pm »
I'm almost certain GMs can remove items from your inventory, or "delete" them, anyway. With the faction points, it shouldn't be too hard to create this type of feature, should it? Has it ever been tried?

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 07:45:50 pm »
I don't think it would be too hard to do, just empty the quests tables for one specific character.
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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 07:50:47 pm »
Would this also delete the faction points? I think this was one point of the original post and same time mine  :P *supports request*
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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 08:06:25 pm »
This could also be a nice feature for GMs during events. They can edit/delete faction points to support their event, just like they sometimes give experience and items. Say they're a merchant and you help them out, they'd give you merchant faction points. Think about it? ;)

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 08:28:50 pm »
giving factions for events would be up to settings more then gms as settings knows what  their true use is, and  till they comment here or tell us more we should not just suggeest what their use is and how to gain more other then the quests we have already.

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also by doing this you are opening yourself up to redoing all the removed quests with no way for anyone to stop you so i dont see this happening anytime, also you should take a look at http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=31960.msg367023#msg367023 you should try to contact kerol or a settings dev and take this matter up with them.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2008, 09:08:47 pm by Caarrie »

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 10:18:32 pm »
Per-case basis single quest wipes are allowed because they help the player recover from bugs in the software that are beyond the player's control. Allowing quest wipes on individual players for any other reason would open the system up for abuse (as Caarrie said). You can document a bug, its effects, players affected, and take steps to rectify it, but you cannot quantify intent when it comes to wiping for RP reasons. The burden on the GMs would be phenomenal and would put them in the very awkward (and frankly untenable) position of making judgement calls based on their percieved "purity" of the player's motives instead of on verifiable data. This could expose GMs to charges of favoritism, which would be detrimental both to this hard-working, fair-minded team and to the game in general.

That being said, I have a couple of suggestions. The first one is this: since your goal is to build a char that is on the "light side" and the wipe you want would erase a good portion of that char's past anyway, why not start a new char from the ground up and keep your current char for days when you're feeling "less than cheery"? ;) The second suggestion is this: grab a cozy spot in the tavern of your choice and start RPing about some of the bad choices your char has made, and how you're looking to make amends. Talk about how (for example) no honest merchant will trade with you due to your reputation, and that you're looking for merchants who'll give you a chance to run some errands for them & prove your worth again (read: what NPCs give quests w/ positive merchant faction? can you send me a tell perhaps?). It could generate some great RP & get your char's "standing" back to where you want it. Just some thoughts.

As for the rewarding of faction points during GM events; I really like it, but the GMs would know better how workable it is.

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 10:42:46 pm »
Well it can be reduced to a lot simpler of a suggestion, then. There's a discard option in each character's questbook - can we get that to work for both finished/non-finished quests? And as for faction points, maybe we can simply get a discard option for those too. We're able to highlight the name of the faction, so a discard feature for that shouldn't be too hard, which could also be used when you highlight a skill in case you decide you don't want that +2 shield handling level you got from character creation so long ago.

People make mistakes, but with faction points, these mistakes stick - permanently.

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 10:47:22 pm »
if you discard a quest then you can get locked out of others so  i dont  see thhat happening either.

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 10:48:32 pm »
Well it can be reduced to a lot simpler of a suggestion, then. There's a discard option in each character's questbook - can we get that to work for both finished/non-finished quests? And as for faction points, maybe we can simply get a discard option for those too. We're able to highlight the name of the faction, so a discard feature for that shouldn't be too hard, which could also be used when you highlight a skill in case you decide you don't want that +2 shield handling level you got from character creation so long ago.

People make mistakes, but with faction points, these mistakes stick - permanently.
Having the ability to wipe the slate clean so to speak... Bad idea if you ask me, villains would simply be able to erase what they've done, for example.

You can't un do what has been done in real life, you can change your ways but not anything else.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 10:55:47 pm »
Shouldn't they be able to erase it? If they wear a cloak or change their appearance or something, so no one recognizes them, how would they be revered with thieves and still hated by guards?

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Re: Requested Quest Wipes
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 11:04:37 pm »
Shouldn't they be able to erase it? If they wear a cloak or change their appearance or something, so no one recognizes them, how would they be revered with thieves and still hated by guards?

I'm sure a kind of cloak could be implemented to hide identity, reducing (or raising) all factions to 0 and hiding a player's name. Myself and a few others considered this... But still a perm erase? No, when the cloak comes off a convict is a convict, and a hero is a hero.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2008, 01:15:54 am »
That aside, there's still the matter of GMs resetting skill levels when asked. That's not against the policy, but I don't see why resetting quests/faction points is. If in the future, you have such a low faction standing with guards that you get attacked the moment you step foot near a town, how are you ever going to be able to go anywhere? You'd need to have your faction points reset. Just things to look ahead to and plan out.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 01:21:36 am »
Per-case basis single quest wipes are allowed because they help the player recover from bugs in the software that are beyond the player's control. Allowing quest wipes on individual players for any other reason would open the system up for abuse (as Caarrie said). You can document a bug, its effects, players affected, and take steps to rectify it, but you cannot quantify intent when it comes to wiping for RP reasons. The burden on the GMs would be phenomenal and would put them in the very awkward (and frankly untenable) position of making judgement calls based on their percieved "purity" of the player's motives instead of on verifiable data. This could expose GMs to charges of favoritism, which would be detrimental both to this hard-working, fair-minded team and to the game in general.

That being said, I have a couple of suggestions. The first one is this: since your goal is to build a char that is on the "light side" and the wipe you want would erase a good portion of that char's past anyway, why not start a new char from the ground up and keep your current char for days when you're feeling "less than cheery"? ;) The second suggestion is this: grab a cozy spot in the tavern of your choice and start RPing about some of the bad choices your char has made, and how you're looking to make amends. Talk about how (for example) no honest merchant will trade with you due to your reputation, and that you're looking for merchants who'll give you a chance to run some errands for them & prove your worth again (read: what NPCs give quests w/ positive merchant faction? can you send me a tell perhaps?). It could generate some great RP & get your char's "standing" back to where you want it. Just some thoughts.

As for the rewarding of faction points during GM events; I really like it, but the GMs would know better how workable it is.