Author Topic: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos  (Read 5204 times)

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 12:00:40 am »
[although it's basically been said that you don't want to hear about what is IC and OOC, i would like to tell a story, of what just happened 10 minutes ago in yliakum...

12 members of the guilds who guard the camp got together to have a small meeting.  Hanace and Dalot stumbled upon our meeting, and seeing who we were and that we were in a pvp area, it was only natural for them to stand just outside the border and decline challenges repeatedly while calling for help in /tells and guild chat.  10 minutes later, as expected, 10 do-gooders showed up all at the same time, and stormed the camp killing us.  apparently with 10 others called OOCly /challenges were no longer quite as scary.....

not only is it completely ridiculous to stand just outside the pvp and decline challenges while listening in on our guild event, but calling in 10 others in /tells to come kill us immediately after declining challenges.... sheesh there's so much wrong here.  On top of that, and i'm not going to mention a name here, a character who was reprimanded by a GM for abusing a glitch that can be used to gain extra health about an hour before, used the same glitch in the fight.

the saddest part is that none of the players involved who called or were called in /tells and guild chat see anything wrong with bringing in another 10 players OOCly to help fight.  one of the reasons planeshift is a good game is because of the high quality RP, or so i thought, but what this war has developed into shows quite well that the roleplay can be severely lacking at times, and the people involved don't even understand what's wrong with the way they're playing]
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2008, 01:40:23 am »
not only is it completely ridiculous to stand just outside the pvp and decline challenges while listening in on our guild event, but calling in 10 others in /tells to come kill us immediately after declining challenges.... sheesh there's so much wrong here.

Indeed.
So they should have retreated, gathered a force, then stormed the camp. I'm not sure whether that would have changed much.
Or maybe one should have sneaked up and listened, knowing that all gathered in the camp will ignore the floating name tags that OOCly betray their position... would you claim that with a straight face?
And PoC never called in support via /tell - no? I remember talking to Asonoh, when suddenly two other PoC members dropped in - purely by accident, of course. (Yes, that was that battle between PoC and Warriors shortly ago. I tried to send my guildmates away, but when they heard additional PoC members were showing up, they had no reason not to come themselves. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Sheesh.

one of the reasons planeshift is a good game is because of the high quality RP, or so i thought, but what this war has developed into shows quite well that the roleplay can be severely lacking at times, and the people involved don't even understand what's wrong with the way they're playing]

Yes, it's certainly true that there's a lack of good roleplay at work here.
Though I think your view of things is massively skewed.
E.g. I'm still waiting for an answer why killing weak players with level-150 Flying Stones is good roleplay. "Good" in both sense of the word: "Good" as in "creates a great story", and "good" as in "is fun for everyone". Currently, I think you're ignoring that question because any answer to it would make PoC look bad.

Until you either find a convincing answer to that question (or simply stop doing it), you'll be perceived as schoolyard bullies. I have spent the majority of my life participating in different forms of roleplay, and I can say you one thing: nobody wants to play with schoolyard bullies, even if they have the most brilliant roleplay ideas.

There's a better strategy: study types such as Goldfinger, Lex Luthor, or Senator Palpatine. For these figures, evil was a means, not an end, and that's why we remember their names.
Also, don't forget to be friendly and cooperative at the player level. You'll be gaining friends at the player level and still can do all kinds of evil plots at the character level. You'll even find that those "do-gooders" are quite decent people, and more than willing to let their character look bad occasionally. The best stories are those where victory and defeat alternate, anyway...
... and, whatever you do, always consider this question: will it help create a great story worth telling?

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 02:13:41 am »
Indeed.
maybe one should have sneaked up and listened, knowing that all gathered in the camp will ignore the floating name tags that OOCly betray their position... would you claim that with a straight face?

yes, i would claim that with a straight face, since i have my options set so that the nametags only appear when i hover my mouse over a character.  also we had lookouts posted on each tent in the camp, and saw them coming from a long way off.

And PoC never called in support via /tell - no? I remember talking to Asonoh, when suddenly two other PoC members dropped in - purely by accident, of course. (Yes, that was that battle between PoC and Warriors shortly ago. I tried to send my guildmates away, but when they heard additional PoC members were showing up, they had no reason not to come themselves. Pot. Kettle. Black.

When at the camp PoC members are going to show up 'by accident' because whenever we feel like going there we almost always go in groups, and the others who show up were almost certainly already on their way.  I was one who 'dropped in purely by accident' at the time you're referring too, and i actually had logged of there, and just happened to log on right before the fight started.

E.g. I'm still waiting for an answer why killing weak players with level-150 Flying Stones is good roleplay. "Good" in both sense of the word: "Good" as in "creates a great story", and "good" as in "is fun for everyone". Currently, I think you're ignoring that question because any answer to it would make PoC look bad.

most often the weaker players that were killed were NOT killed with flying stones, and they were also warned to leave the camp.  there is nothing wrong with the roguish players occupying the rogue camp and making their word law there, right?  as for creating a good story, it was intended to create a good story - the prophets of chaos wanted to start a guild war to add some more fun to the game.  The problem is everyone sees that we're trying to start a war, and that we're killing people, and become angry OOCly about it.  their OOC anger naturally leads to using OOC means to fight what was intended to be a roleplay.

Also, don't forget to be friendly and cooperative at the player level. You'll be gaining friends at the player level and still can do all kinds of evil plots at the character level. You'll even find that those "do-gooders" are quite decent people, and more than willing to let their character look bad occasionally. The best stories are those where victory and defeat alternate, anyway...

I am generally friendly to the opposing players in /tells and other OOC chat.  I think i can also safely say that i'm friends with about half of them already.  Some of them aren't angry about what PoC has been doing, and are generally nice to me as well in /tells (jenica, scisel, sanxx, grizzlyus... so on...).  but other ones, when i try to be nice to them as a 'player' rather than a 'character' get angry that i'm even talking to them after what vannaka has done, as if my guild's actions in a role playing GAME make me some kinda bad person...  others don't even deny that they're in the war because they're angry OOCly at the players in PoC and readily admit that they don't really care what roleplay lead up to the war or how in involves them.

Could have have been a good roleplay, resulting in a good story.  I say it's already been ruined due to preconceived notions about the prophets of chaos, confusing IC and OOC situations, and admittedly the unbalanced magic system.
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 03:09:50 am »
[This is why I refresh my statement, saying that neither of these guilds should be brought into the RP environment for poor quality and nerd rage reasons.

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 03:13:16 am »
I personally think it is the players who are ruining the roleplay from what I am reading. I mean both sides. Come on guys, work something out and don't make this a "your doing this, so I am doing that", or "he said she said" crap. Work together or don't RP together. It really is as simple as that. We are all in control of ourselves and our decisions but NOT other people.

As for OOC, we as a community have to start being a little less agressive about RP or we are going to come accross as huge RP snobs. I mean some of these people are new to this. You can't expect them to know how to RP their first couple of months in PlaneShift. Even if they have been long standing players, can you not still suck at RPing? I am all for and always have been for RP but there has to be room for those who just don't like it or can't RP if their life depended on in. I saw posts a couple of times from Dev's who have tried to point out to the RPer's of the community that both can enjoy the game and the game was made to accommodate both. So lets keep that in mind before we freak out on those who don't RP. Besides it sounds like one of the sides has invited all to play. Meaning Rp and none RP. If your a hard core RPer, what are you doing playing in the mix then?
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2008, 04:36:04 am »
[Word of caution: players are not to "teach" other players "a lesson". Enjoy the game and let others do the same. If you feel someone needs to learn a lesson, talk to the GMs and we'll handle it. Starting a war for OOC reasons is a recipe for disaster. Do it IC or don't do it at all. And do it with those you enjoy RPing with, not those you want to "annoy back". There are jerks everywhere and there's no law or rule against being one. It's important to learn how to deal with them with maturity and not let them waste our time.]


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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2008, 08:33:20 am »
Vannaka reminds me of a seedy sound bytes politician. Full of it. 1st off weve planned this "Ambush", for ages. Then we heard your PoC guild had been instructed not to camp at Banished anymore. Once however we were informed you had congregated we rushed and over- ran the camp. I tried to relay the intent of RP with miltiades some days earlier(about forming a militia), but he seemed somewhat "Difficult" in understanding our intent to form a militia and remove A Noob murdering Bullying bunch of powerlevellers from aformentioined camp. Your spouting smacks of hippocracy Vannaka. Your guild is equally guilty of it. You accuse us of all this crap.. Because you all died so well. And you didnt like that did you?
Its not fair that:

1) Your guild has exclusive access to Camp Banished for whatever reason when clearly there are quests and loot to be had from it.

2) explain the "Guild entrance" chest ? Enabled or not its not fair.. If it is an entrance to BD for those exiled and who cannot enter Hydlaa then why is it not called "Entrance to Bronze Doors"?

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And as for GM's We dont trust you anymore. Period.
I'll elaborate.
No I wont...Everyone knows exactly what I mean.
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2008, 08:53:31 am »
there should be a rule against posting when intoxicated.  enough said.
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 09:06:48 am »
Ok for one thing dragnoor.. how could you call us a bunch of powerlevers.. when you and your wife both mined 3.7mill in 1 week.. and you got Caught twice today for cheating with the sed glitch.. And we were doing a quiet alliance meeting. when you stormed in, ruining a good rp. And then you guys randomly challenge ppl. ((OH AND BTW: healing pots should not be aloud, they are abused)) You have maxed brown way maxed crystal way maxed HA maxed sword.. and youve only played this game for 4 months, thats rediculouse.

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 09:19:11 am »
[Word of caution: players are not to "teach" other players "a lesson". Enjoy the game and let others do the same. If you feel someone needs to learn a lesson, talk to the GMs and we'll handle it. Starting a war for OOC reasons is a recipe for disaster. Do it IC or don't do it at all. And do it with those you enjoy RPing with, not those you want to "annoy back". There are jerks everywhere and there's no law or rule against being one. It's important to learn how to deal with them with maturity and not let them waste our time.]

I tend to keep my mouth shut and enjoy the game. But, when I talk to GM, my answer is always, "IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET KILLED, DO NOT GO TO PVP ZONE".

LOL, killing without reason and get OOC offensive is annoying.

And while character might be IC, the people behind the screen sitting there with the curse can do nothing for half a hour, how can that be IC?

This is annoyance.

Asonoh himself said when in PvP zone, you do not need to rp in a bad way, like "stupid lady ask GM yourself."

I reported him and got no attention so far.

So what wrong we annoy them back?

Tell me, what else can we do?
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2008, 09:24:54 am »
The rogue camp was a roleplay.. the pvp pit in the arena is just meant for fresh meat.. and you seem to always come back ,either your not getting the point of this, or you like to die

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2008, 09:58:23 am »
The rogue camp was a roleplay.. the pvp pit in the arena is just meant for fresh meat.. and you seem to always come back ,either your not getting the point of this, or you like to die

Dear, you always come back too, so we want you also to get the point.
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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2008, 10:21:11 am »

E.g. I'm still waiting for an answer why killing weak players with level-150 Flying Stones is good roleplay. "Good" in both sense of the word: "Good" as in "creates a great story", and "good" as in "is fun for everyone". Currently, I think you're ignoring that question because any answer to it would make PoC look bad.

most often the weaker players that were killed were NOT killed with flying stones, and they were also warned to leave the camp.  there is nothing wrong with the roguish players occupying the rogue camp and making their word law there, right?  as for creating a good story, it was intended to create a good story - the prophets of chaos wanted to start a guild war to add some more fun to the game.  The problem is everyone sees that we're trying to start a war, and that we're killing people, and become angry OOCly about it.  their OOC anger naturally leads to using OOC means to fight what was intended to be a roleplay.

Uh, they were supposed to be IC happy with it? Bad guild reputation for attacking innocent is SO OOC! Consolidation against common threat cannot be IC, can it?

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2008, 10:29:28 am »
Good morning

All sides should think of stopping this rp or not-rp and look for someone assisting in working this matter out. My first idea would be gms but Im not sure if it is their work and of course not in a position to suggest this, nevertheless I think if all want to stay in the game and enjoy playing it the involved parties should look for a moderator.

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Re: [WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2008, 10:46:01 am »
Good morning

All sides should think of stopping this rp or not-rp and look for someone assisting in working this matter out. My first idea would be gms but Im not sure if it is their work and of course not in a position to suggest this, nevertheless I think if all want to stay in the game and enjoy playing it the involved parties should look for a moderator.

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