Guildhouse Auction

[Mouli]

and these guilds must be active

and what is your defination of active and how can the gms and devs EASILY tell that they have been active enough. the gms and devs have enough to do that they dont need to follow how active guilds are and what their members are up to in order to give out guild houses.

Carrie
there is  already something like that  but it didnt used yet !

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=29630.0

[Arerano]

We must stay reasonable, and "giving houses entirely free" is about as reasonable as those start prices.

[Vannaka]

Why should a farmer be able to buy a mansion? That is essentially what these houses are. I work every day IRL, and I can't afford a large house with a 5 car garage that can comfortably fit 20 people... why are you comparing apples to oranges?

If you worked every day for 2666 years and never had any expenditures i'm sure you would be able to afford a house.  I may be comparing apples to oranges: both are fruit.  if it takes a farmer 2 and a half millenniums to make enough for a guild house, do you really think anyone else would be able to afford one in any realistic amount of time?

[Birot]

I hate to get involved in this, but just wondering why everyone thinks the reserves are so high.
Compare to skills they are very low, i mean we have two Brw mages that spent 3.5 mil trias each to max that is almost the reserve price of one house.
Maxxing HA will cost you another 1.5-2mil, i hear noone complain about these numbers and i see alot of maxxed mages, so i guess if you were to be a team player and help your guild and not be powerleveling you could have tons of trias for a house.

Just my 2 cents on the subject

I just want to say the Devs and GM's deserve a liitle better respect for all the work they do on here.

[Mouli]

You're right Birot !

but we can train lvl after lvl so max 40K for a lvl
not 8 millions it why i said before GM team can borow trias that guild will pay back slowly !
at least for the old Rper Guild !

I remember Jorl or someting so from the "way of life" guided my first days in Ps
he teached me how this game worked (IC/OOC)
it was a lot more specific than the tutorial
Yliakum must recompensed these Guys ! No ?
 
I know I'm not a good Rper (cuz my english is too bad) but we must recompensed the one who play RP only
I'm not arguing here for me ! I personaly dont need a house... prefer sleep under the moon 

[Orgonwukh]

and these guilds must be active

and what is your defination of active and how can the gms and devs EASILY tell that they have been active enough. the gms and devs have enough to do that they dont need to follow how active guilds are and what their members are up to in order to give out guild houses.

Carrie
there is  already something like that  but it didnt used yet !

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=29630.0

Unfortunately, this does not apply to “underground” guilds  

[Arerano]

and these guilds must be active

and what is your defination of active and how can the gms and devs EASILY tell that they have been active enough. the gms and devs have enough to do that they dont need to follow how active guilds are and what their members are up to in order to give out guild houses.

Carrie
there is  already something like that  but it didnt used yet !

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=29630.0

Unfortunately, this does not apply to “underground” guilds  

If an "underground guild" wants to "officially buy" a guild house, they would still need to "prove that they are a guild". Which of course doesn't mean at all that they will say "Ok, we are the group of people who rob other citizen regulary".. they will of course make something up.

[Mythryndel]

I help people in-game all the time... not on the help tab, but just meeting people and getting them acquainted with the area or get them weapons/armor out of my pocket. I do not require special consideration for this in the form of having something so coveted as a guild house handed to me. Others may feel differently, but I help people because I want them to feel welcome and maybe stick around for a while... not so they can come to the forums and watch everyone tear the game to shreds. Come on people... this isn't the end of the world.

@Vannaka: Just this week some guy admitted to fraud in the amount of 50 billion dollars... I won't see that much money for more than 500 millenia... there are insane amounts of money to be had... and I make more than most farmers I know. There are those that have more than they will ever use, and those that never seem to have enough to cover what they need. You are comparing two different ends of the scale here. I would like to see smaller houses that are more reasonably priced, as opposed to the status-symbol guild houses available for auction this weekend... but I didn't have any input. I can hope that as we get closer to 1.0, that it may be possible all guilds get a house... and the location determines their guild registration fee. As long as it is reasonable for a startup guild that is.

[EDIT] Not that I am saying the prices aren't high, or that I am not disappointed by my inability to be successful in this weekends auction... but this is a one-time fee for a lifetime house. A RL house of this size has a huge cost up front, but it also has monthly expenses higher than my current mortgage payment. For what I see in-game right now, these prices are high, but not disproportionally high for the current economy.

[EDIT2] 10 Mil is not too difficult if you have people willing to put in 8 - 10 hours a day at the plat mine. I have a guy in my guild who was able to make just over a mil in 2-3 days. If you had 10 people in your guild doing that... you'd make it in under a week. Or put another way... 10 people 4 hours a week can do this in a month or two. It is not as impossible as it sounds right now, my guild is just smaller than most and with the time of year... not everyone is around to help out.

[Vannaka]

[EDIT2] 10 Mil is not too difficult if you have people willing to put in 8 - 10 hours a day at the plat mine.

Umm... think about what you just said... 8 - 10 hours a day.... at the plat mine.....
I'd be impressed with anyone that can spend 8 hours a day on planeshift, let alone 8 hours a day on planeshift pressing the same mining shortcut every 10 seconds.

[Mythryndel]

People do it... and not just with bots. Also, the only reason it would take that level of effort is because of the short notice on the auction reserves. If they had auctions more regularly... once a quarter or something... you could make those amounts with 10 guild members spending a couple hours a week mining. It is just a matter of how important it is to your guild right now.

Now... if you could store items in the bank... or gain interest on bank deposits... or have a guild account at the bank... that would be very nice... but I guess is a bit off-topic for this discussion.

[EDIT] the point of my off-topic statement is to say a whole lot of things... decresed need for a guild house/alts... a better way to handle money for guilds... and the ability to generate revenue from investing... etc...

[zanzibar]

Result is: The starting bid is 8 Mil. minimum.

Hmm.  My character is fairly leveled, and I can make 20k in a typical play session if I just grind in the arena.  If I have a guild of five people, it shouldn't take us more than three months to get 8 million trias, if every single one of us plays every single day.

So that's "encouraging RP" in what way exactly?

It isn't.  I don't think the house auctions benefit RP in any way.

[Orgonwukh]

There is no doubt you *can* collect enough money to buy a house for more than 8 million trias.

[Arerano]

Maybe next time the prices are 80 Millions to 120 Millions minimum. (tenfold).
I am sure people *can* earn that amount of trias too. I mean, it's a life-time investment after all! (more precisely till the wipe).
So you sure *can* spend all your free time for the next (RL) years at the mine and I am sure it's worth it.

For me the value really dropped immensely.. value of the "in game possessions" (skills and trias too).. now feels even more like a total waste of time having mined and levelled. (And I don't expect many to understand what I am meaning)

[Mythryndel]

I am upset by the reserves too, but I don't see how it is unfair. I see the reserve as saying "if you don't have at least this much, don't waste your weekend hanging around the auctions". I appreciate that, even if i REALLY wanted a guild house of my own. Maybe we will have better luck next time.

I do not see the guild house auction prices as affecting the rest of my game play, or interactions with others. This is just one, of many, aspects of the game for me to explore.

[Duraza]

Come on people... this isn't the end of the world.

You're missing the point.

Best way I can say it is this. Yes, it's true that if many of the people spent their time mining and trying to make cash from platinum then they might be able to afford the prices. Yes, it's true that Planeshift isn't a strictly roleplay game and that people who would prefer to spend their days mining are allowed to play if that's the way they choose. However, last I checked Planeshift is still supposed to support roleplay. Those prices don't support roleplay, they support mining. If all of us decided to do this,

put in 8 - 10 hours a day at the plat mine.

then in what way would we be any better at encouraging roleplay than the most hack n slash grindfest game you could find?

You might say, "Well once you get the guild house it's all over." True enough, it's over for you, however take a look at what kind of players you've created in the making. Basically all you've done as a guild master is encourage money hoarding. Am I saying guild houses should be easy to get? Not the least bit. What I am saying is this. In no way are those prices encouraging roleplay, they are encouraging mining and more so money hoarding. If this thread had been left alone then any new player who would have seen the prices then realize how much time you have to spend mining to get enough cash would probably end up spending their time doing that instead of being interested in roleplay. We'll have that problem without help.