Guildhouse Auction

[Lhaa]

we believe it can become something very nice, if the basics are respected, if it goes as it were announced.. to be a ROLE PLAYING game. With mechanics supporting the rp. Something DIFFERENT from what we usually find, such as wow and runescape and others..

And again somebody points this out. How many have done in this thread?
I'm though pretty sure that all who did are just fools with no clue of how to play the game. ;)

So let's take again a look at the reserve prices:

Gugrontid Lower Village: 12 Million
Hydlaa Winch Terrace: 12 Million
North Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
East Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
Ojaveda: 8 Million

Gugrontid Villlage 12M, Hydlaa Center 10M.
Is it only me or are these prices as well OOC oriented? Aren't they focused solely on PLing? Perhaps not, you may though explain why a house in the Capital is cheaper than the same house in a Peripherial city. Isn't the reason as simple as knowing the powermining guilds will want a house next to the mine? (therefore we take more money from them) Are the resources in the real world IN the capitals where the houses indeed are more expensive? Nobody found a petrol vein where I live yet.
If that is realism and focus on RP then seriously, somebody please open my eyes.

Very good Auction !!!

Only one bidder no one else have enouth...

What did you expect?
There are a couple of guilds with 20 or more millions. 10 guilds with over 10 millions? I very doubt it.
As Bovek asked though, don't allow yourself to be misinformed! Please go to these last two auctions. Show up with your flamant 11,5M and try to buy those houses. ;)

Ah, but this action has had a very positive consequece. Even though most of the people who posted are powerroleplayers (more roleplayers roam the forums) even the powerminers and powerlevelers have come to complain. XD
Now, the eternal topic PLers vs RPers is no more a conflict... they're all in the same side.
Maybe then this is indeed a good thing: unite the community, even if it's to go against somebody else. ^_^'



But never, never... never listen, please.

[Cigile]

Who have 11.5 million ? me ?

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[Prolix]

If you look around the world you might come to the conclusion that the most expensive real estate is in the the seat of power but that is deceptive. If you look to the US in particular you will see that the highest real estate prices are where the highest incomes are. For example, New York City or Los Angeles, neither of which are capitals of anything. I suppose I should stipulate those parts of these cities where the rich people actually live. Given that most of the platinum never leaves Gugrontid and yet it is the greatest source of wealth it makes perfect sense for real estate prices there to be high, and when you add in the limited number of places that could be on the market it also increases the value.

[jaycol]

  To be honest, 10-12 Million is not an unfair, unjust, or unreasonable amount, to be asked for a guildhouse. The fact that they are being sold still shows that. If they had offered only two or three the price would have gone far beyond to set reserve price. Younger guilds will have some trouble with the amounts, but let us remember they are younger guilds. So the struggle for them is not uncalled for either.
    I seen one younger guild work their tails off for the last action, and they just came up short. They continued to work at that since then and are ready for this auction. They may have already purchased one. They are still basically  a younger guild. Who put their efforts together to make it work.

The means to make set amounts are there. If you are willing to work together to to see to it. A legitimate guild should have no trouble.  If it's just [a player and 4 alts] I suggest you save for the next one

[zorbels]

I seen one younger guild work their tails off for the last action, and they just came up short. They continued to work at that since then and are ready for this auction.

This is the whole point! You work for it. You want it? Get your guild working for it.

Your a roleplaying guild you say? Can't afford it you say? What the heck ... even Rping guilds should be working at getting trias. Nothing is cheap or for free and the Rper's should know that! You don't get 50% off a guild house because you Rp. That's just silly.

I agree with others in this thread. The prices are not that high. They seem realistic actually for Yliakums economy. 

[Shaman]

How out of touch are you people? Sorry if we roleplayers don't POWERMINE, but some of us actually like to STAY IN CHARACTER. Go to the platinum mines for an hour and see if you have any hair left from all of the 12-year-olds shouting stupid crap and running around saying things like "buying plat 1k trade me". These people have no need for a flipping house, or event items, unless they're Orgonwukh. Orgonwukh won a tournament, and he got an event item, and he actually ROLEPLAYS. I wouldn't be complaining if all of these other people ROLEPLAYED, but as I see it they just grind and get rewarded for it, while the people who play the game how it's meant to (and I do NOT mean ignoring the mechanics) get jack-squat.

[zorbels]

How out of touch are you people? Sorry if we roleplayers don't POWERMINE, but some of us actually like to STAY IN CHARACTER.

* zorbels chuckles

Hate to break it to you, coming from a rper you can still rp while mining. It isn't as impossible as you make it sound. Get creative. That's the whole point to roleplaying.

[Mythryndel]

As I stated before already... If you were saving for this before the announcement... 1 - 2 hours a week times 10 guild members would have netted you the required reserves in less than 2 months. It has been a lot longer than that since the last auction... NOBODY is telling you to power mine...

[EDIT] But nobody is willing to just give you something for sitting around shooting the breeze either.

[Shaman]

How out of touch are you people? Sorry if we roleplayers don't POWERMINE, but some of us actually like to STAY IN CHARACTER.

* zorbels chuckles

Hate to break it to you, coming from a rper you can still rp while mining. It isn't as impossible as you make it sound. Get creative. That's the whole point to roleplaying.

Great, so say I "RP" a frail woman. Should I max my stats like everyone else, grab a rock pick, and go out and mine? Hell no.

[Entevir]

I agree with others in this thread. The prices are not that high. They seem realistic actually for Yliakums economy. 

I'm not arguing this point. I'm arguing that a real auction never set a starting price for a piece valued at 1mil at 1mil. It's a good bit lower. Like 900k or the like. This way people always pay more and it allows for the actual bidding since not everyone would jump at the starting price of 5mil.

[zorbels]

As I stated before already... If you were saving for this before the announcement... 1 - 2 hours a week times 10 guild members would have netted you the required reserves in less than 2 months. It has been a lot longer than that since the last auction... NOBODY is telling you to power mine...

[EDIT] But nobody is willing to just give you something for sitting around shooting the breeze either.

And this was exactly what I was thinking the whole time I was reading this thread. These people had enough notice to make the trias. Even if they didn't for what ever reason they can start working for future auctions. There really isn't any excuse for not being able to afford one.

Great, so say I "RP" a frail woman. Should I max my stats like everyone else, grab a rock pick, and go out and mine? Hell no.

Ummm, if that is what you are Rping then your character would not be able to work, BUT you knew that making the character. You know that it is unrealistic for your character to be able to mine or do any tasks that call for strength. So you know that it wouldn't be possible for you to use that character to make the trias you want. It would be up to your guild mates to work. Perhaps your character could take care of things around the guild while others focus on making enough trias to buy a guild house. See, a solution. Something tells me that's not what you want though ......

If you want to make trias maybe make a character that can work?

Edit:

I'm not arguing this point. I'm arguing that a real auction never set a starting price for a piece valued at 1mil at 1mil. It's a good bit lower. Like 900k or the like. This way people always pay more and it allows for the actual bidding since not everyone would jump at the starting price of 5mil.

That seems reasonable. I am not sure why it was priced like that. I agree, should have been priced a little under it's value.

[Entevir]

Personally i don't even see the reasoning behind any of the overpricing.
To remove cash from the game, take in that people spent extra time in the mines. This likely increased the amount floating there.
To make sure that only the most dedicated show up ? Then why call it an auction if only a few people can afford it and there is no real bidding.

I think the dev team made a mistake with this auction. So here sto hoping they learn from it and a good luck to them.
I mean its not like anyone here in this thread never screwed up big time.

[Prolix]

To place your bid, simply raise your paddle until the auctioneer acknowledges you. You will know when your bid has been acknowledged; the auctioneer will not mistake a random gesture for a bid. The bidding increments are decided by the auctioneer, and will usually not exceed ten percent of the previous bid. The auctioneer will take increasing bids on each lot, until only one bidder remains. The final bidder purchases the lot. Each lot will have a reserve, which is the confidential minimum selling price previously agreed with the seller. If the bidding fails to reach this price, the lot will remain unsold.

^*1

Reserve bids are pretty much the norm for real auctions. With so many houses up for sale the reserves had to be high to ensure high prices.

Welcome to inflation...

[Lhaa]

Ummm, if that is what you are Rping then your character would not be able to work, BUT you knew that making the character. You know that it is unrealistic for your character to be able to mine or do any tasks that call for strength. So you know that it wouldn't be possible for you to use that character to make the trias you want. It would be up to your guild mates to work. Perhaps your character could take care of things around the guild while others focus on making enough trias to buy a guild house. See, a solution. Something tells me that's not what you want though ......

If you want to make trias maybe make a character that can work?

Nice! So here we go again:

Tutorial: Roleplaying Guide.

1- Create an account.
2- Run the game.
3- Go to the char creation.
4- Choose a kran as race (you'll spawn closer to the center of it all).
5- Make sure your name is in line with the naming policy.
6- Choose Famous Miner and Famous Miner as father and mother for your character.
7- Finish creating your char.
8- Skip the tutorial text (it is useless).
9- Spawn in the game world and run to the platinum mine.
10- Enjoy roleplaying your miner!


This is how what you suggest sounds. Probably not that far from what should be though. ;)

[jaycol]

I'm not arguing this point. I'm arguing that a real auction never set a starting price for a piece valued at 1mil at 1mil. It's a good bit lower. Like 900k or the like. This way people always pay more and it allows for the actual bidding since not everyone would jump at the starting price of 5mil.

  This is a good point, I think that it would have been better to set it lower, to involve more player action. But as I see it, I'm sure this was experimental as were most of the other auctions, raffles, in the way that they were done. I'm also sure it will be considered the next time there is an auction.

    There are many arguments that can be applied to each and everyone of those too. (and have been) It will never be fair to either power levers or RPing characters and/or guilds each time. But, there has been opportunities for both. So, instead of just ripping up the people who put all the work into getting these into the game [who has more time into that, then it takes to raise 10 million trias] Come up with a sensible argument, and/or a possible solution that can be submitted for consideration or discussion.

[For the record, I'm not a "Lol" all I can say power levelers, or a "God-like" all powerful Archmage with no skills whatsoever. I try to play out my character as he develops his skills and he does rather well. I guess that puts me in the middle class of player. the RPer levers. who work at their skills and act out their characters based on that]

Now as real estate is not always affordable by all. There are other options that can be suggested and/or tried. Such as rentals or leasing a guildhouse for a period of time. The guild could by contract be held to a set amount for each month, and /or set period. Using a special bank account designed for that purpose. Allowing members of that guild to make deposits only to keep the rent coming in, and not limiting it to the guildleader, in the event that they are away. The said estate could be applied for by application to be reviewed for the possible best tenants for the estate.

* Just a thought that is workable. This would lean more to the favor of a RPing guild. Without the demand that they power mine for expenses. It would also offer a opportunity to a young guild that  just started out.
 

Jaycol applauds the PS team for adding:  NOT 1,  But 10 ( count 'em ) "10" Houses to the game