Guildhouse Auction

[rakshak]

I read through each post of this thread. Many valid points echoed, some invalid ones too. However, I want to say something that actually happened in the game today.

Auctioneer (GM) is readying to begin the auction.
Only one bidding guild is present.
Another person from a different guild tries to start an RP, demanding an "enquiry in the way these octarchal auctions are being conducted".
GM asks this person if he's bidding.
This person is not bidding.
GM essentially says he's a nuisance and asks him to shut up.

A valid attempt at an "in-game RP Event" successfully thwarted by a Game Master. This is not an argument - it's a reality which I saw through my own eyes today in the game.

PS is not dying. It's being killed.

[Arerano]

I read through each post of this thread. Many valid points echoed, some invalid ones too. However, I want to say something that actually happened in the game today.

Auctioneer (GM) is readying to begin the auction.
Only one bidding guild is present.
Another person from a different guild tries to start an RP, demanding an "enquiry in the way these octarchal auctions are being conducted".
GM asks this person if he's bidding.
This person is not bidding.
GM essentially says he's a nuisance and asks him to shut up.

A valid attempt at an "in-game RP Event" successfully thwarted by a Game Master. This is not an argument - it's a reality which I saw through my own eyes today in the game.

PS is not dying. It's being killed.

It was perfectly IC.
(Compared to many other things)

[Ceraline]

The PS team has my sympathies to some extent, having taken time to bring more guildhouses on-line and receiving little or no recognition for it. Personally I thank you for again for expanding the PS world. I am also concerned if this has caused some any disharmony within the team, and trust it is not too serious.

However I also have sympathy for the RPers, but like UtM, would have preferred to see a more constructive approach to offering alternatives rather than the repeated and laboured criticisms offered.

Personally I lean toward RPers who utilise at least some of the game mechanics so my ideas wll tend to be based around those, but feel free to offer alternative ideas.

One possibility is to reward a guildhouse for the winner of a tournament. This could possibly be based on teams of 4 representing the parties interested (perhaps a mix including a mage), with last person standing winning. The winner's leader would nominate the guild (to the GMs only if it is secret) to which they donate the guildhouse (it would not necessarily have to be their own, but couldn't be an existing house owner).

Another possibilty is to run a quest/ series of quests where first past the post wins a guildhouse for a nominated guild. This could be a combination of using existing (simple) quests with quest hosts stationed nearby to add additional quest requirements. For example the quest host would ask a question relating to the quest just performed, which would need to be answered correctly before pointing to the next stage of the quest. Possibly, or alternatively, questions would be related to the settings/ books hence favouring those who know them best (the quest host could be positioned close to the books to ensure people don't merely read their own on-line guild libraries?).

Another possibility is to run a series of simple RPs similar to quests, but where the questions, answers and/or directions ar hidden within the RP. Dependant on how well the RP is played would be the amount of information learnt. At the end the entrants would need to answer a series of questions and possibly provide artefacts identified in the RPs. The winner would be to one with the most correct answers, with any draw being decide by a tiebreaker.

These ideas clearly need a lot more work, but hopefully provide some nuggets for possible ideas?

[Arerano]

Great thanks Under the moon for your post, it's kinda encouraging to read this. (even though I knew that there's no way you could agree with those auctions)


It's not only those actions but even more being entirely ignored. People complain but nothing happens at all.
What do "they" thing? "They will calm down again", "It's just a phase"? It doesn't really look like you care at all about that "PS encouraging RP"-image.
NO, they will LEAVE (thus making it appear calmer again.. because they don't care anymore)

Who is responsible for that desicion?
Was there any kind of vote?

Can entirely ignoring complains be a solution?

@Those who said "It's just a game. It's not the end of the world. It's ok." and something along those lines:
Yes, with those actions it is just a game.. like one of many others. My believe is (was?) that PS is special, that there's a difference and that it's "not just the same as all the other grinding oriented games".

I didn't write anything about "not using mechanics at all", or "entirely ignoring them". Really, why do some think I said that?
Lets say it's all IC, I must be RPing the greatest idiot in whole Yliakum who rather spends time making this map than spending the same time to dig up a milion trias:

(Hydlaa Map)

Maybe I should help him to wake up and trade this map for a rock pick.

[LigH]

* LigH wakes up next weekend and realises he dreamed the auctions, the houses were Christmas presents instead...

[Entevir]

You know what i find funny here. All this could have been avoided simply by taking one zero from all the prices. I mean its fair game to be outbid in an auction. So yeah.... LigH had better be joking too.

[Arerano]

You know what i find funny here. All this could have been avoided simply by taking one zero from all the prices. I mean its fair game to be outbid in an auction. So yeah.... LigH had better be joking too.

I am sure it would never have gone so far without those "minimum prices". However, this action really revealed many more existing problems.
Like what actually IS getting encouraged:

Zontick shouts: 1 tria!
Asentis shouts: Nay, two tria!
Zontick shouts: 3 tria!
Karasuma shouts: "Four"
Cuhar shouts: oooh! you're lucky!!
Asentis shouts: I say ten, ten I say!
Zontick shouts: I'm out. 10 tria is too rich for me.
....
Sorenew says: Very Well. So let's get started shall we? Who will offer the opening bid, then?
Dragnoor says: i do
Sorenew looks at Dragnoor
Dragnoor says: i offer 10 million
Sorenew says: We have a bid for 10M tria
....
Dragnoor says: ur blocking out the sun hehe
>Yulo Pouvre takes a seat.
Yulo says: i am so big hheheh
>Yulo Pouvre stands up.
Yulo says: brb
....
Guildhouse eats a key
Geloren says: she's on her way
Guildhouse burps
Dragnoor says: ok
Baruden think the guards ran off with the trias
Jenica says: Did you give the trias?
>Edico Xanathos takes a seat.
Leafeme gasps oh my the guildhouse is like Dragnoor 'burping and passing wind all the time'#
Guildhouse looks around, and winks to Dragnoor
Guildhouse tjilps: buy me!!
Birot says: Guildhouse seems to like you Dragnoor
....
Dragnoor says: ta
Dragnoor says: thx birot
....
Arerano says: Now please tell us how you earned all that money.
Yulo says: mining
Dragnoor says: sheer teamwork
Inomor says: and friends
Leafeme looks at her blisters on her hand........no more mining for me for a while
Yulo says: fiting
Dragnoor says: some pledges
Dragnoor says: looting mobs.
Inomor says: ria laundering
Dragnoor says: lol

[Entevir]

I honestly am confused by that post. Its like watching a wrestling match between a platypus and a bee.

Any explanations on what that meant ?

[Eurac]

Erm! I was not just told to shut up I was threaten with removal from the game.

GMs are very touchy at the moment for some reason, maybe they are throwing thier toys out of the pram because no one will play with them because they are no fun.

[Arerano]

Erm! I was not just told to shut up I was threaten with removal from the game.

I have no idea since this apparently happened shortly after the crash before I returned.

[Prolix]

Ok. Everyone needs to chill. It is clear that we are a long way from figuring out how to fairly allow RP guilds to get a guildhouse of their own. However, while we work on it, we don't have to stop selling houses all together. It'd be like not developing the game until all the game setting is complete. The last auctions took place a good while back and since then many guilds have been saving up. We expect the guildhouses to be sold for high amounts of trias.

To those guilds left behind by the unfairness of Alpha, a response fitting for cases like this: Soon(tm).

Solving this particular issue is not easy so you have to be extra-patient. Is it fair? No. And we're sorry. We will not stop throwing events, holding auctions, or helping the game move forward in its development stage just because we can't please everyone right now. But we are trying.

A word of caution though: anyone who incurs in disruptive behavior or tries to boycott the PS team's work will be dealt with accordingly. Suggestions and even complaints are always welcome. Sabotage is not.

Eurac: apparently you did not read the thread.

[Lhaa]

I believe he roleplayed what you call disruption.
Oh! Roleplaying must have disrupted the other players' (who don't) experience, I see. ;)

[Arerano]

I honestly am confused by that post. Its like watching a wrestling match between a platypus and a bee.

Any explanations on what that meant ?

If you're referring to my post and stating that you have no idea what I am trying to say with it, you kinda prove my point.
It's ok if some just don't want to RP, just sad. However, it's not that they have apparently no clue (mixing IC and OOC because they just don't know the difference), or simply ignore those rules.

I believe he roleplayed what you call disruption.
Oh! Roleplaying must have disrupted the other players' (who don't) experience, I see.

Aye, roleplaying disrupts gameplay.

[Prolix]

If you go into a sotheby's auction and try to ask why they are selling stuff you are willing to take for a song you might wind up in jail, at the very least you will be thrown out.
What do you expect? Role play is not a magic bullet. This thread may well have exacerbated the gm reaction but even without it you may have found yourself in the guardhouse the way a few people did at Vileneck's trial. Oh dear, you merely got warned of the consequences...

Get a grip.

[Ceraline]

Ok!Ok! People fgs!

Everyone knows many of you are upset with the auctions!!!!! ...and the reasons!!! And yes we can keep picking holes... forever! WE ( & hopefuly so has the PS Team) HAVE GOT THE MESSAGE !!!!!

Now is the time to offer options and alternative solutiutions rather that the constant whining!!!! I believe you like the game.. so suggest ways forward!!!

One question I would ask though.. is why? Why does an RP'er need a house? If they haven't used the game mechanics too much there isn't any need to store items? Perhaps you could provide a reason for the PS team to provide you a house that they would accept as reasonable??

I hope it isn't to move your RP to the house.. since for many, including me, the RP I often see is too valuable to be removed form open play.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!