Usual, semi-annual complain

[khoridor]

Guys, could you please synthesise your opinions ?
If you keep arguing line for line, it will soon become unreadable... 

[Illysia]

My Opinion: People need to understand that PS has a very unique RP environment. They should try to fit in before trying to change or add to it. (basic rules of entering a new community). They should also understand that not everybody RPs for excitement. So while the RP might be in character it might become problematic as not everyone is getting something out of it.

I don't care for theft RPs at all, but I am willing to tolerate it a bit. However, with the amount of people who want to RP thieves because it is exciting, it can get overwhelming. In a regularly patrolled city, you should be able to walk around fairly safely. So getting robbed by each thief passing would be disruptive as it conflicts with the settings of that area. I understand that people are going to RP thieves where there are other people around but it doesn't fit in the middle of Hydlaa. At least not until mechanics can teleport you to the jail after a failed attempt.

For what it is worth, that is exactly what camp banished is for. Those kinds of characters. The reason it is away from the city base is because those kinds of characters would not be accepted in the city... i.e. thieves, murderers, con artists... what have you. Unless you can RP you character as decreetly being one of those things, having them in the city just doesn't fit.

[LigH]

I found a perfect solution for this issue...

[verden]

Agreed.

[Lhaa]

Of course. Why don't we all go and worry only about mechanics?
All those silly roleplayers are so annoying and all they do is complain... and they don't even add to the game's economy or anything, I never saw one at the mines!
Babbling and babbling all day, somebody should build them a chatbox and put them all in it, locked.

[Aiwendil]

This thread is imho only (!) about people who do not care at all about others and who are not even willing to think about it or change. And that something should be done about that.

Yes, I only woud change "...about people who do not care at all about others.." to "...about people who do not care at all about others or the settings..."

I don't believe that is what anyone wants. But it is what we have. The question is why is there so little RP on Laanx, and why do those other players not want to go to EZ-PC? Saying the other server isn't used at all is not precise, it is and has been being used.

This is not about too less RP on laanx! It's about disruptive "IC" behavior ignoring all settings and other players.
And for the why nobody went to ezpcusa:

One I did all the training I can stand to do years ago before I started RPing... I will not be going through that again.

I like to level some and RP some. I really like to be able to run from RP in area A to RP in area B without having to rest several times in between. I'm not willing to give up my levels to go to a new RP server.

Since RP is not disallowed on the second server, and since "nobody is over there", then why hasn't any RP simply moved over to the second server? I think that the reasons this has not happened, are the same reasons that most others are not going over there.

Please wipe ezpcusa and make it the RP server. Nearly nobody on laanx cares about roleplay at all anymore. So leave them their precious skills and give the Roleplayers a safe place again. And yes...it will take much longer for Roleplayers to gain some skills, but it's still better than the current situation on Laanx.

Yes, it is. The rudeness and self-superiority are the reason both parties cannot have fun with each other. But you are asking for some kind of final solution that does not exist, or cannot be implemented. If it did, the developers would have implemented it or would have made a serious proposal for a feature that would allow for it. But it leads to a very gray and tricky area, and these people are making a game, not coding a system to judge people and then mete out punishment to those that don't agree with them.

And what is wrong with separating the different players by applying more strict RP rules to one of the servers?

Due to the game not being finished. This is why I am in favor of finishing the development on the game before attempting to create systems that enforce or punish behavior. We do not know how the game will play when it is finished.

So you want to say there is no point in doing things like the RP Covenant or setting up any rules for a server as long as it is not finished? Sorry, but I can't agree there. What about the naming policy? Also useless because the final game maybe checks all names at the start and rejects unwanted right from the start?

I found a perfect solution for this issue...

A solution? Oh, I see, yes, let us all ignore the problem and do something else...maybe the problem solves it's own alone.

[Notme]

I know my post earlier was extreme in many ways, but I wanted to put some more fire in this interesting discussion (as if it is even needed haha). All I asked was for at least someone to read between the lines.

Yes, remove the 300+ quests in game and dump all the development hours. Nobody will ever cheat after that, ever again.

Did I actually mean that the quests should be erased? All of them? - No. I am weird but not a total madman and do fully understand the time and effort behind the quests and further how absurd to even think that they would repel them. A harmless way of putting some more wood in the fire in other words. And my hope that someone out there would think about what actually would happen if. A free thought straight out of my mind.

I hated how nobody obeyed the rules in PlaneShift: The Board Game.

PlaneShift: The Board Game? Yes! Bring out the popcorn and some cold beer! No. What I wanted was people to remember the time when roleplay was made with pen and paper and some different dices and even games like poker or whatever. How we enjoyed the simple game mechanics back then and never questioned the rules (or, at least my family didn't). The lack of unquestionable rules in a game can be frustrating and PlaneShift really needs to evolve regarding some forcing rules before we all quote to death in this forum. I admit I am a bit crazy since I do like rules. At least rules that makes it a bit harder for people to stomp on others.

Or we could use simple game mechanics, and just dequip weapons automatically in towns.

As it is now, it isn't especially RP with no consequenses whatsoever for the ones who deliberately chooses to wield their weapons in a guarded town full of others fully equipped with weapons and ready for any action. As in your "suggestion", it wouldn't be RP, since there must be room for less lawful characters. But I guess you lost your temper in this matter.

A saga. A neverending story. He has the tool. He has the power. We can only leave this decision to Laanx. Obey and He might listen.

Must... comment... no... no... leave... alone...

Lastly, I am quite disappointed you didn't comment on that last quote, mr Verden.

[verden]

Lastly, I am quite disappointed you didn't comment on that last quote, mr Verden.

I doubt if anyone else shares that sentiment, and those were really just meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I staying over here now...

http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35576.msg407871;topicseen#msg407871

[Odz]

OOC = Out Of Context. I hope the quotes and remarks will confuse you and make you angry. This whole thread is exploding with silliness so I'm flaming it with my newspaperguild.

At this point, GMs will usually do nothing to prevent blatantly low quality "RP" such as bazookas and pokemon fights (trust me, I've seen these on Laanx).

So you think you are better at RPing bazookas and pokemonfights?

Stop the complains about favoritism via rulesets, make decisions objective.

Who makes objective decisions in RL? The Freemasons? The police? Your local racist gang? Nobody. Favoritism is good RP.

You have to think twice before pressing the Post button.

Is that an IC rule or a OOC rule? How does it fit in with settings? How do you control if a player or person has done this? The statement is a fail.

It's guilds like the Warriors, Nexus, Wayward Kingdom, Prophets, Guardian merchants, etc. etc... that really degrade what roleplay is supposed to be.

No it's people like you that say that guilds like these degrade what RP is supposed to be when infact it's guilds like these that degrade you with RP as it's supposed to be.

we can use our imagination whenever, as long as it doesn't concern something that one would have maybe trained for

Who made you the boss?

Tournaments are fine if they are done in a RP way on the RP server. If you just want to fight others because of the fun of it go to the non-rp server.

People fight for fun in RL. Best fighters in RL are the ones NOT standing for 10minutes clenching their fists or making faces or rubbing their toes and talking long boring sentences.

Why meet these kinds of people in game when you can just walk outside your door and find them?

So... if I live in a neighborhood with only nice people I should press them to leave PS because I can just go outside for those kind of people?

OOC = Out Of Context. I hope the quotes and remarks will confuse you and make you angry. This whole thread is exploding with silliness so I'm flaming it with my newspaperguild.

At this point, GMs will usually do nothing to prevent blatantly low quality "RP" such as bazookas and pokemon fights (trust me, I've seen these on Laanx).

So you think you are better at RPing bazookas and pokemonfights?

Stop the complains about favoritism via rulesets, make decisions objective.

Who makes objective decisions in RL? The Freemasons? The police? Your local racist gang? Nobody. Favoritism is good RP.

You have to think twice before pressing the Post button.

Is that an IC rule or a OOC rule? How does it fit in with settings? How do you control if a player or person has done this? The statement is a fail.

It's guilds like the Warriors, Nexus, Wayward Kingdom, Prophets, Guardian merchants, etc. etc... that really degrade what roleplay is supposed to be.

No it's people like you that say that guilds like these degrade what RP is supposed to be when infact it's guilds like these that degrade you with RP as it's supposed to be.

we can use our imagination whenever, as long as it doesn't concern something that one would have maybe trained for

Who made you the boss?

Tournaments are fine if they are done in a RP way on the RP server. If you just want to fight others because of the fun of it go to the non-rp server.

People fight for fun in RL. Best fighters in RL are the ones NOT standing for 10minutes clenching their fists or making faces or rubbing their toes and talking long boring sentences.

Why meet these kinds of people in game when you can just walk outside your door and find them?

So... if I live in a neighborhood with only nice people I should press them to leave PS because I can just go outside for those kind of people?

Who cares? The thread is boring and could have been compressed into something debatable but it wasn't. My own points are pointless therefor I am victorious.

[Illysia]

Who cares? The thread is boring and could have been compressed into something debatable but it wasn't. My own points are pointless therefor I am victorious.

Fail....

You bothered to read it enough to make commentary. If it meant nothing to you, you just wasted a good chunk of time for nothing... 

[Keldrena]

"They see me trollin, they hatein'"

[Odz]

Who cares? The thread is boring and could have been compressed into something debatable but it wasn't. My own points are pointless therefor I am victorious.

Fail....

You bothered to read it enough to make commentary. If it meant nothing to you, you just wasted a good chunk of time for nothing... 

Exactly!

[Wavan Levironk]

You all killed roleplay, there you go, a constructive opinion 

[Akeera]

we have many players in PS whose mothertongue isn't english. for some of these people, including myself, is it very hard to roleplay in english. I wish the complainers could keep this in mind before judging us all. we try hard not to break the rp-rules of PS. but you cannot await that we start a firework of high professional rp-talk for you. that would only be possible in our own mothertongue.

on the other hand: I know how it was 2 years ago at the gold mine: highly entertaining, groovy and full of life - with many players of different cultures like today. what has happened to PS that now places like the platinum mine are as silent as burial grounds and as boring as tv-primetime-news? I don't wanna answer this question in detail because then you would have me there where you wanna have me with this thread: in your trollish PVP.

kids, world is grey, not black and white. and I'm lesser interested in what you are posting here than I'm interested in how you can bring your personality and some tolerance/coolness back on Laanx.

[Mordraugion]

I don't think this post is aimed at those who do not speak English natively, infact the OP Aiwendil doesnt speak English as a first language.
Most if not all of the roleplayers I know are very tolerant of those with less than perfect English, making allowances and helping those who make the attempt to RP instead of just being disruptive.