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Bamko

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #300 on: November 17, 2009, 03:34:06 am »
If there has to be a wipe, I just hope the devs carefully prepare for it so they take maximum advantage of it. I especially hope that, before they wipe, they have clear plans on how to balance the game and accordingly redesign or tweak the main systems: leveling, questing, crafting, and money influx through looting and mining  This may sound obvious, but so far 'balancing' has been rather ad hoc.

I think that the devteam has more than enough smarts to ave already realised this, without needing every second players suggestion as to how they should monitor the database to prevent further wipes.

Remember, the wipe is out of necessity, the devteam don't like pulling wipes out.

Ok, Let's take a breath, shall we?

Xillix created a thread asking for input, from the community.  After OVER 20 pages of discussion Hitancrias suggests that, since a wipe appears to be likely, that the most benefit be gotten, if a wipe is done.   No one is insulting the "smarts" of the dev team, and anyone can get so swept into an emotional debate that they fail to take aspects into consideration.  and if the wipe was truly necessary, why the poll?  Useful?  advantageous? probably.  But if it was needed, there would not be a need for this thread at all.  Let's assume that, unless someone is obviously trolling for trouble, that we are all decent individuals who may have a useful contribution. 

It is likely there may be many years before 1.0 is released, and as such, I believe Hitancrias sage advice should be heeded, even if it is no more than stating the obvious.  Remember, you can not assume the community knows how on top of things everyone is, when everything is treated as a state secret.   We have to assume, because we are kept in the dark and fed BS.  (insert mushroom joke here)

Finally, I will not quote everyone, but in other posts, as in this one (other authors), people tend to get annoyed and react without consideration.  I am sad to see that this is still rampant in this forum.  You DO know you have permission to disagree with someone, even if you are unable to change their mind. without being insulting or dismissive?  To see this being forgotten by moderators is especially discouraging.  But we all have bad days.   But we are all want PS to succeed, so lets debate, discuss, but let's dial back the emotion a bit, please?  When a player goes on the attack, it is embarrassing, but when a Devs or Moderators do it, it is just inappropriate.

Let's suffice it to say that the question of the wipe may of been better to be "now or in a few months" with the discussion being more centered on that.  And yes, some will very much not like the prospect, while some, including it appears, most of the Devs, just want to do it without delay. 

Makes Hitancria's advice even more valid, doesn't it?

I hope this post is taken as it is given, as an honest attempt to contribute positively.   

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #301 on: November 17, 2009, 03:56:38 am »
Ok, Let's take a breath, shall we?

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I don't know why you singled this post out, you basically put two "yes" people against each other and I tend to agree with both of them.

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #302 on: November 17, 2009, 05:58:59 am »
We heard you like flaming, so we put a debate in a debate so you can flame while you flame.

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #303 on: November 17, 2009, 08:33:39 am »
Lets go for a total wipe... :thumbup:
But not before the release...
 lets us test the High lvl magic and crafting...
I read that we can max skill in two weeks... :o
I want to see that I've maxed all ways it took me 2 years and more than 20 millions trias...  :'(

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #304 on: November 17, 2009, 12:43:48 pm »
DID any one discuss possibility of a partial wipe?

Scenario A, Wipe All Data?

Scenario B Wipe All Inventory and Inworld items?


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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #305 on: November 17, 2009, 02:01:34 pm »
does a...
is the...
<insert question here>
yes a partial wipe was considered, and a partial wipe has been rejected. a partial wipe is good for specific issues, for example seriously bugged items, correcting known exploits, etc.  for general and broad issues, a partial wipe would be much more time consuming, and little, if any, better then wiping stuff at random.

with that being said, can we please stop with the monday morning deving?
may laanx frighten the shadow from my path.
hardly because the shadow built the lexx.
the shadow will frighten laanx from my path.

Rigwyn

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #306 on: November 17, 2009, 04:29:08 pm »

For those grieving the loss of their stats and posessions I offer this.

7 Stages of Grief


The 7 stages are:

1. SHOCK & DENIAL
2. PAIN & GUILT
3. ANGER & BARGAINING
4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS
5. THE UPWARD TURN
6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH
7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE

Sound Familiar ?

weltall

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #307 on: November 17, 2009, 06:03:23 pm »
with that being said, can we please stop with the monday morning deving?
noes!
* weltall prepares a commit for next monday morning :P

Xillix Queen of Fools

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #308 on: November 17, 2009, 06:18:03 pm »
We have a good idea about how players feel now and we'll be suspending a wipe until a couple more system upgrades happen so you're safe for now, but a pre-1.0 wipe is needed and will happen.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #309 on: November 17, 2009, 06:36:38 pm »
lol

Morla Phlint

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2009, 06:40:27 pm »
NOOOO!  :'( Ma wipe!

(jk, I'll live)

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #311 on: November 17, 2009, 06:41:44 pm »
So corrupted data isnt that much of a problem for it should do for "a couple of more years"? LOL

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #312 on: November 17, 2009, 06:52:30 pm »
It was just a nut to gnaw at after all. I don't recall anybody saying they'll do it now before/after the release of 0.5.

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #313 on: November 17, 2009, 07:02:54 pm »
It was just a nut to gnaw at after all. I don't recall anybody saying they'll do it now before/after the release of 0.5.

But but... Xillix just said it would happen before 1.0 so if not before 0.5 then after! :detective:

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Re: Wipe y/n?
« Reply #314 on: November 17, 2009, 07:11:39 pm »

Gah ! We've been punked !    X-/