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Re: New Magic
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2010, 06:07:43 am »
So, what is dark way supposed to help with? It has 5 spells, energy arrow at level 20 does more damage and a longer range with about the same speed as taste of death and my dark way is much higher then my crystal way. Necrotouch, weakness and darkness don't help much either. I'm still a few levels away from animate shadows, so I can't complain about it.

Well keep in mind that Energy Arrow is realm 2 while Taste of Death is only realm 1. Also I'm not sure what level you are in crystal and dark but since Taste of Death is a realm 1 spell it is capped (power capped) sooner then Energy Arrow which means that at greater levels Energy Arrow will start becoming much stronger. But at level 20 for example Taste of Death is much more powerful then Energy Arrow at the same level.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2010, 07:28:14 am »
side complaint to add into this, is taking longer to train magic SUPPOSED to be included in the magic "balacing" change?
before magic was altered, at about 54 or so CW it would take mabey 30 minutes to go up a lv using life infusion, which was real slow at the time, then the changes to magic happens, and life infusion is faster, and now it takes me an hour to an hour and a half to go up by one level...and the spell casts even faster then before but still takes longer >_<
i dont think thats fair D:
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Re: New Magic
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2010, 07:31:06 am »
side complaint to add into this, is taking longer to train magic SUPPOSED to be included in the magic "balacing" change?
before magic was altered, at about 54 or so CW it would take mabey 30 minutes to go up a lv using life infusion, which was real slow at the time, then the changes to magic happens, and life infusion is faster, and now it takes me an hour to an hour and a half to go up by one level...and the spell casts even faster then before but still takes longer >_<
i dont think thats fair D:

I didn't touch this area at all. Not sure what exactly influences this.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2010, 07:32:15 am »
so my problems will never be answered D:<
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Re: New Magic
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2010, 08:47:16 am »
side complaint to add into this, is taking longer to train magic SUPPOSED to be included in the magic "balacing" change?
before magic was altered, at about 54 or so CW it would take mabey 30 minutes to go up a lv using life infusion, which was real slow at the time, then the changes to magic happens, and life infusion is faster, and now it takes me an hour to an hour and a half to go up by one level...and the spell casts even faster then before but still takes longer >_<
i dont think thats fair D:

I think it is. Training combat skills taks its time, too. Also, one should compare the effort of practice with the overall training costs, which seems  about even. And since you can regenerate mana with spells now, there is no need to pay extra for mana potions while training. On the other hand, there is at least one rapid casting spell left that can be used for very fast gain of practice.

About further complains related to casting times, damage dealt etc: I suggest a similar way of posting as in the "NPC-refactor" thread. One should specify the spells magic way rank, associated stat including buffs and spellpower used.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2010, 12:52:22 am »
side complaint to add into this, is taking longer to train magic SUPPOSED to be included in the magic "balacing" change?
before magic was altered, at about 54 or so CW it would take mabey 30 minutes to go up a lv using life infusion, which was real slow at the time, then the changes to magic happens, and life infusion is faster, and now it takes me an hour to an hour and a half to go up by one level...and the spell casts even faster then before but still takes longer >_<
i dont think thats fair D:


When you get to realm 4 there is a speel called cleanse which is really fast, i get 1 lvl up in 30 minutes

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2010, 03:45:44 am »
So, what is dark way supposed to help with? It has 5 spells, energy arrow at level 20 does more damage and a longer range with about the same speed as taste of death and my dark way is much higher then my crystal way. Necrotouch, weakness and darkness don't help much either. I'm still a few levels away from animate shadows, so I can't complain about it.

Well keep in mind that Energy Arrow is realm 2 while Taste of Death is only realm 1. Also I'm not sure what level you are in crystal and dark but since Taste of Death is a realm 1 spell it is capped (power capped) sooner then Energy Arrow which means that at greater levels Energy Arrow will start becoming much stronger. But at level 20 for example Taste of Death is much more powerful then Energy Arrow at the same level.

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I mentioned it multiple times in my other posts :| 58 dark way, 20 crystal way. If taste of death is stronger then energy arrow at 20, I regret training dark way then XD


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Re: New Magic
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2010, 04:46:48 am »
perlan has been testing magic with gm's, he is doing what he can to help the cuase and make things more even
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Re: New Magic
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2010, 04:54:09 am »
perlan has been testing magic with gm's, he is doing what he can to help the cuase and make things more even

I have heard he wanted to complain to a dev about magic XD


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Re: New Magic
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2010, 06:11:30 am »
I mentioned it multiple times in my other posts :| 58 dark way, 20 crystal way. If taste of death is stronger then energy arrow at 20, I regret training dark way then XD

Hmm why? There are other dark way at higher realms that are stronger then taste of death. Also wouldn't it be weird that a realm 2 spell would be weaker then a realm 1 spell? The idea is that at the same realm and same level Crystal is usually weaker then most of the other ways. However, if you compare a realm 2 crystal spell then obviously that will be stronger at some level then a realm 1 spell of another way. Compare a realm 2 crystal spell with a realm 2 dark way spell for a fair comparison.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2010, 07:32:54 am »
with a lack of variety of spells for dark way, its hard to test an attack spell for realm two if you cant find one
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Re: New Magic
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2010, 07:45:50 am »
with a lack of variety of spells for dark way, its hard to test an attack spell for realm two if you cant find one

Well there are none at this moment. There are several dark way spells at realm 2 but none attacking. But I can't balance spell power based on the existance of spells on other realms. This will change in the future as more spells are added and at realm 3 and higher you can get attack spells at dark way too.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2010, 08:07:48 am »
that reminds me, do you know when natures intuition will be wroking again? i miss the old thing, its the whole reason i got my azure way to 40 now i feel like its wasted effort
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Re: New Magic
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2010, 08:37:23 am »
that reminds me, do you know when natures intuition will be wroking again? i miss the old thing, its the whole reason i got my azure way to 40 now i feel like its wasted effort

Hmm.. I didn't touch that. I wasn't even aware it ever worked. Currently the spell just says 'not implemented yet' in the database.

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Re: New Magic
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2010, 11:15:47 am »
with a lack of variety of spells for dark way, its hard to test an attack spell for realm two if you cant find one
Diarrhea of the keyboard will end when you figure out how expensive training magic is.


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