the no weapons in the cities rule is a joke and should be removed

[mikeloeven]

noone cares about this and noone ever will execpt perhaps the npc guards and a gm who has an itchy ban finger. this is a rather new installment in a long list of restrictions that have stripped the fun out of the game and why i have stopped playing for months on end waiting out the storms and hoping things will get better.

if there must be such a rule than make it a reasionable one such as no dueling or guild wars within city limits without prior planning and express permision of a gm

also do not allow gm's to ban players for violating RP laws allow the other players to deal with the person on an rp level (throwing in jail or confescation of weapon, or have the guards give them a fine)

1 as long as there are rogues wandering the streets people will carry weapons inside the cities
2 it takes time to unequip weapons and alot of players are lazy and just passing through
3 noone cares
4 the guards are just annoying
5 in mideval times everyone was armed and no crime can be comitted unless you actually choose to attack another player not to mention that you cannot attack quest npc's so the point is moot
6 untill this rule is removed players may run the risk of being banned for acting out RP's

[RlyDontKnow]

1) what have rogues on streets outside the city to do with weapons in the city?
2) just make a shortcut: /dequip lefthand /dequip righthand and bind it to a key. it takes a split second to hit it - not really that hard, is it?
3) many care
4) how so?
5) you can attack quest NPCs - at least some of them
6) you aren't banned just like that for wearing a weapon. if you're reported to a guard and the guard catches you, you'll be put in jail, get a fee, ...

that put aside, it's perfectly possible to play wearing weapons in the city out, you just have to be able to cope with the consequences (e.g. a guard going after you if someone reports it)

[Minks]

1 The rules applies to Hydlaa. No rogues there.
2 Make shortcuts.
3 I do. Very. My character feels decidedly unsafe when shopping near strangers waving swords.
4 One sentence at each passing? Not more text than otehr NPC greetings.
5 Armed does not mean carring your sword in you hand all the time. Very inconvenient also if you need your hands for doing other things.
6 Who said anything about banning? Your char might be tossed in an RP prison for some time for RPing a crime.

[LigH]

Everyone makes generalizations.

You may not yet have played long enough to have been caught by a patrol of the Hydlaa Guards ... yes, Game Masters sometimes have enough spare time to go on patrol; and they will put you in jail for not putting weapons away.

[Koios]

I would suggest editing the Octarchal Decree to include this as a law. The way things are now this is just a norm enforced by some guards, that we don't even know if is a law or the guards are just having a bad day.
I'd say it would fit nicely under Privileges of the People. We do have a law that says that everyone needs to be armed (does not naturally mean with weapons, no) at all times, why not just edit it from "VIII. All citizens must be always prepared to protect themselves and defend their property." to "VIII. All citizens must be always prepared to protect themselves and defend their property, but not in a way as to cause sedition."

[bloodedIrishman]

Citizens should be allowed to carry arms, as they are, yet to keep the peace in order they shouldn't be allowed to wield them in public. That is my understanding of the Octarch's reasoning.

The 'no weapons drawn' law inside Hydlaa city limits is a reasonable rule for a city under the control of a government as strict as the Octarchy.

[Koios]

Exactly my point, my dear irishman. I'm just saying make it really officially strict by editing the law with a few words.

[mikeloeven]

Exactly my point, my dear irishman. I'm just saying make it really officially strict by editing the law with a few words.

i would be willing to play along provided RP jailing is actually RP jailing that can be done by anyone and not just that BS where a gm teleports you into a holding cell for a set ammount of RL time.

the game is more fun if you can have legitimate conflicts with the guards and if god forbid you are jailed i am sure there is someone around who can slip a lock pick into a loaf of bread for you and than seduce the guard into heading off to his bedchambers with her while you flee;)

[novacadian]

You may not yet have played long enough to have been caught by a patrol of the Hydlaa Guards ... yes, Game Masters sometimes have enough spare time to go on patrol; and they will put you in jail for not putting weapons away.

My experience is that the guards are very understanding though. My character received three warnings from them on a single encounter. That is they told her three times to put her weapons down and still did not drag her off to jail. It was another story for Ahriman. 

- Nova

[Sillamon]

If a GM guard knows how to roleplay, they will stick to IC information. You may be able to talk your way out of being arrested, or even succede in a jail break. My character (Rigwyn) was accused in public of killing someone (Garosan). The GM (Sarva)  who played the guard knew well that my character was a black flame member and a mass murdered, however Sarva stuck to using IC information only and allowed my charcter to talk his way out of being arrested. Rigwyn had an argumet that held up - even though it was full of lies. Personally I think Sarva (the player) would have enjoyed seeing my character get destroyed.. but Sarva did not act on personal desires.

 Would a GM like Sarva, Venalan, Marathal or Daxa, who knows how to RP allow a jail break? Dont know but its certainly worth a try. Just dont expect them to play dumb. Hydlaa guards are not supposed to be stupid or gullable. Accept your consequences and role play every aspect of your character's life.

Now if you get arrested by a guard thats played by a GM who is clueless about RP then you are out of luck. You will most likely get banned.

[LigH]

There are exceptions (like repairing and carrying heavy weight).  -- Hopefully all GMs know such reaons.

[miadon]

How many people ran around London in the 1400s with their swords out during normal day activities?    none..

[kaerli2]

You are allowed to wear weapons in the city (on your person), you just are not allowed to waltz around town with one in your hand.  Also:

1) Wouldn't it be rather rude to the person you're talking to for you to be holding a big axe/... in your hands while talking to them in casual conversation?
2) I don't think there are monsters in Hydlaa proper these days (unless that Clacker in East Hydlaa is still about...)
3) NPC guards sooner or later will get the ability to deal with this sort of stuff on their own, so be forewarned...

[Koios]

I agree. And no, the Clacker is not around anymore.
There are two things I do wonder however.

1. I read somewhere here about melee weapons (iron fist, spiked gloves, etc. etc.). When (or if) these things gets implemented, would they be regarded as armor, weapons, or will that depend on what slot it sits in?

2. Will these NPC guards deal with people carrying magic staffs in the same way as someone wielding an axe? Right now they are, shouting at them to remove their weapons. I see this as sort of pointless.
Given that magic staffs are not meant to be used as a polearm, because they hurt people less than your fist alone does. That does not imply, however, that if you are a skilled fistfighter, you should be allowed to carry around swords or axes which you are clueless on how to use. You can still at least hurt yourself while running with them  
Defensive spells (and in some cases also charm spells) are allowed within the walls, so I don't see why a magic staff shouldn't be.
And yes, a lumberjack would need an axe, but there's a difference in reinforced battle axes and a farmer's axe  

[Illysia]

Ah... such a shame to see a push to make PS more bland... generic... like every other non RP MMO. The point of the rule is that it is an RP rule meant to be considered from the standpoint of story continuity and not from the standpoint of the mechanics. Also, to say no one cares is either a stretch or a very sad commentary on the state of the RP community. Since, by settings, the guards patrol (doesn't matter whether or not the NPCs move or not) there shouldn't be need for the weapons in the city. The argument that you need it because of other players feeds into the the whole "RP is dead" mantra. Not paying attention to settings is bad RP. You can only... bah, forget it. no sense in writing up an explanation the size of the declaration of independence when next to no one who is actually in game will read it.

Go ahead, shuck it... and shuck the notion that PS is an RP game too. There may be RPers in it but the game is not really being taken in that direction anymore. They might as well get rid of the stuff that only makes sense in an RP context.