Lurker Trolls

[novacadian]

Sorry. Aiwendil, man, come on. Summary dude, summary.

It seemed a well thought out, heart felt, post to me.

To my understanding the summary (and paraphrase) would be....

A stronger enforcement of of separating RPers and non-RPers on the two servers was a missed chance.

The good old days had all the drama and complaints that we see today.

The larger player base and smaller map had a greater chance of RPs to take place.

The use of tells are a great downfall to much spontaneous RP.

The demand for stats to back up a character's profile has lead to the loss of buff RP characters and exposed them for the whimps they really are. Now instead of seeing an RP that some character called Xeonart enacted; which lots of people supposedly had a lot of fun with; now the "evil wizard that is overcome by a alliance of guilds is less likely nowadays than the hero overcoming some unimportant alts."

The raising of those skills has lead to player grinding; which it seems to be inferred is taking them away from RP.


One wonders what some of the bitter oldies (not directed at Aiwendil) where doing through all that time on PS. Wait a sec... these insights and their present actions on the forums seem to correlate. They are attention seeker. In game they want all the glory of attention and fame without the sweat and pain. When they can't get that any more they try to disrupt a community, which they themselves admit, they are no longer part of. Like children throwing tantrums when not getting their way.

My advise is to ignore them and enjoy your game play.

- Nova

[Illysia]

Proof you still don't know what you are talking about Nova. Many of those you call bitter oldbies were the ones performing the RPs that people still talk about... but you called Vaka, who played about a year, a bitter oldbie so I guess you got all your definitions mixed up.

[novacadian]

Venorel ponders the difference between bitter oldies  and bitter oldbies and understand how one bent on their own agenda, the joy of spewing their bitterness in a vain attempt for attention; while skimming posts for anything they can troll their agenda with; could get the definitions mixed up.

Edit:

Upon further reflection Venorel thinks, that perhaps a more distinct term should be used to distinguish between bitter oldies and bitter oldbies and decides upon the term o-holes instead of bitter oldies.

[Drey]

Proof you still don't know what you are talking about Nova. Many of those you call bitter oldbies were the ones performing the RPs that people still talk about... but you called Vaka, who played about a year, a bitter oldbie so I guess you got all your definitions mixed up.

I still don't see where this list is coming from.

[Aiwendil]

Aww..thanks nova, that made me smile also. A "heart felt" post? Hehe..that one was really funny. I'm afraid you are not around long enough to know what a "heart felt" post of me looks like but please let me assure you that you would see the difference ;).

The summery is okay, not all I wanted to say but I can do with that. But please...don't mark others views in a negative way by using the term "whimps." I really tried to write this somehow neutral (as it was originally meant for someone I respect)...and yes I know I failed a few times in the post to do that. But I didn't call people megalomaniacs because they want others to accept them as great fighters/wizards/whatever just for the amount of interaction they did with some NPC trainers and without creating a story around their char others can adopt. I personally find it very stupid to ask people to backup every RP with skills...I never understood the motivation of those people for playing. So please don't misuse a summery of my posts to present your own opinion there.

But to answer your question. Those bitter oldies you seem to dislike so much were the ones who founded the Stonehead Tavern, motivated others to work in it and visit it,  did all the initial work so that it's now much easier for others to run it, along the way also helped with another char serving in the Red Crystal Den and later even helping in the management, created some artwork for the game...argued with me in the forums when I went too far here again (in their(her ;)) view), calmed me down in IRC so that my posts got a little bit less harsh, tried to convince numberless people to get involved more is PS, helped masses of new players with their first steps in game and taught them about the basics of RP, tried to mediate in some arguments here in the forums and stood it an incredibly long time in my view to get told by off by players and devs here. And this is just in the last year...not mentioning all the RPs and events they ran or helped with before that.

Edit: turned off awful smilies

[miadon]

This topic needs......

[novacadian]

Hi Aiwendil,

Perhaps my views are tempered by being a programmer; as yours are tempered by that of a player. There would be no game here, for players like me at least, without the hard dedication of the dev team. To the whiners there would still be chat rooms and irc where they would spin their web of make believe. Because PS has left that style, or is leaving it, behind has made them incredibly bitter in my estimation.

They may have asked for the Stonehead yet it was the Dev Team which supplied it. They bite the hand which feeds them. Long after they are gone and their RPs are a distant memory on some unforgotten post the Dev Team's efforts will still be here for players like myself that arrived at a point when this game was like it was and with no nostalgia of what had been. It pleases me. The degree of RP pleases me. I play. When it does not please me further then it will be time for me to move on.

Those o-holes which are alluded to cannot move on it seems. They miss being able to be a maga-mage because they imagine that they are. Too bad soo sad. Get over it is my advise to them.

- Nova

[Illysia]

@AiwendilH: Awww... <3 Aiwe.

@Miadon: nah, what the topic needs is hater shades.


@Nova: The depth of your ignorance is amazing Nova.

[neko kyouran]

@Miadon: nah, what the topic needs is hater shades.

i'd go with a little http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g myself

[Illysia]

@Miadon: nah, what the topic needs is hater shades.

i'd go with a little http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g myself

Well... coulda been worse. 

[miadon]

"I bring you love"

[Illysia]

Riiiight....

[Aiwendil]

They may have asked for the Stonehead yet it was the Dev Team which supplied it. They bite the hand which feeds them.

It was completely worth posting here...this thread keeps on amusing me. Funny to see that people say the same, that was said to me a few month earlier to Illysia now. I would point you to my reply about it but I think all those posts got deleted....too bad.

Got accepted to the team by now? You really have the right attitude for it if you think players are not important for a game. Everyone who doesn't like all mechanics  as provided should go and play in IRC and everyone with a different opinion is a troll. And while I can understand very well that programing is fun itself I'm still not sure if I see the sense in developing a game without players.

But your are right..everything changes, the playerbase changes, the developers change and the game changes. It's nothing important at all...so people should keep on playing as long as they have fun and trolls should keep on posting as long as they have fun with it.

[Illysia]

But your are right..everything changes, the playerbase changes, the developers change and the game changes.

Actually, the only thing that changes is the names.... all the politics of it is exactly the same.


But you are right, they must have accepted his application as he's doing like xoel and turning into a wonderful little acolyte. I shall enjoy immensely the day he goes the way of Xoel... I trust he will even agree with Xoel by the end. I gave Xoel a year before quitting and he didn't really make that so I shall be more conservative with Nova. I give him 6 months.

[RlyDontKnow]

Everyone who doesn't like all mechanics  as provided should go and play in IRC and everyone with a different opinion is a troll.

I don't think that's been the point, but mererly the one I wanted to bring through earlier in a bunch of threads.
It's a game that you're supposed to enjoy - if you don't enjoy it anymore (which is pretty likely to happen given it's still under development and even more so given that games are usually things you play for "some time" (may be hours or years, but doesn't matter as much)) then don't get nostalgic about good ol' times, but just move on.

anyway, you're pretty right with your post Aiwendil.
there's not that much that changed except that you have more possibilities now which some like and some don't like to use, just that both groups love to get into fights with each other - at least here on the forum