I need help... (turned into a complain)

[novacadian]

It's not my fault the website planner likes D&D.

It most certainly is not!

For that one can only blame Talad, PS game mechanics and the entire dev team. 

(For those without a sense of humour that is a joke)

My D&D side project idea was put away. Sangwa revealed it as a distraction to the true purpose of the site. His wisdom leaves me awe struck.

- Nova

[Elady]

I think one reoccurring theme with the harshest critics who post here is that they see one post, or one thread here in the forum and they assume that this thread represents the general situation going on in the game. Like yesterday Aiwendil tried to downplay the RP happening at the Stonehead based on an older thread of one thing that has happened there. This is totally unfair but since it has been a long time since Aiwendil has actually been in game  he has no first hand experience of what is actually going on at the Stonehead these days so using a post that supports his position is the best he can do.

For the record yes there are a lot of good RP'ers who are coming into the Stonehead on a regular basis and using the place as part of their RP. Since the Stonehead is open to everyone then there is also the occasional times when less than stellar RP'ers are in the Stonehead as well.  Remember the Stonehead was never intended to be an elitist RP'er hangout, it was intended to be a place where people could come and RP in a judgement free environment. This means that the type of RP going on there isn't always going to suit the tastes of everyone who goes there but who really cases. As long as everyone who goes there is making the attempt to RP in the first place, and improve their RP in general then it is all good as far as I'm concerned.  The fact that more people are using the Stonehead these days and making it a part of their RP is the important thing. As long as people are there RP'ing I'll do my best to avoid knocking them because I may not like the content of their RP.

But again the main point of this post should be that just because you see a thread or two in these forums about  a type of RP or style that you don't like doesn't mean that this is happening constantly all over the server.If you are not playing the game, or even if you are playing but you only play with a small group of people all the time, I can't see how you can even pretend to know what is actually going on in the game.

[Illysia]

Ah, if only Nova's obsessive little opinions were really important enough to bother wasting more time with. Think what you want you fixated jerk, I dare you to do better with a player run area but I doubt you have the capability to do more than program and complain about me like a jaded girlfriend... we are so over.

Two, anyone that has played this game for long enough knows as well as anyone that some patterns are persistent.... It's not that there is never any good RP around, but even if the forums aren't a particular good representation of RP in game, there has been a general decline. That's how you get this problem:

Players should realize that choosing to play a certain player type may provide certain limitations, if the player is going to stay IC all the time. For example if you choose to play an evil character, maybe a black flame type, then you should realize that it would be OOC to do a bunch of goodie goodie type quests just to get a certain item.  After all there are a lot of things I want in RL but can't get because I can't or chose not to what is required to get those items.

I'd normally bother explaining nicely why this is the case and the better fix than plugging ones ears and going "Lalala..." but its not worth it as it normally falls on deaf ears anyway. Hehe... ok fine, you win... everything is peachy keen and all is great and there are nothing but the greatest RPs in the world in game. Have fun with that. I will be off getting on with my life and laughing in a corner should it fall flat. I tried to help for the longest but I'm through, I'll leave the battles to the next generation.

[Sangwa]

It's good that you think you know better than everyone, specially when you're talking about things you no longer know of (in-game situation), I'm sure it'll lead you places in life with the way things are.
But in your presumptuous post there's actually some good news.

 o/

[Illysia]

And you presume to know more with only just having just returned... I was in recently enough and was battling to support RP for 3 years straight. I've only been gone a few months, you were gone for at least those same 3 years.

[Sangwa]

I have the experience of the last 3 months and it's at the end of month 3 that the present is. So I know about the present. And that's what I'm saying. It does seem like something one should presume. Are you following me this far?

Good. So I'll agree with you if you talk about how things were when you played 5 months ago, but I'll be certain to know better than you how things are right now. Maybe... Maybe I should make it clearer: Time does walk slowly around here, but it doesn't actually stop. Got it? If you want to deny me, play for a while and in 1 month, after you've gathered enough data, tell me what you think. If you don't think it's worth it, then don't waste time about talking of what you don't know.

[Illysia]

OK, then explain why generations of RPers seem to have the same complaints if things change so radically in the course of a few months?

[verden]

I'll argue from my subjective experience against your subjective experience and we'll try to come to an objective resolution. Not.

[Illysia]

Even subjective topics can carry a certain amount of consistent behavior. Discounting completely that which is subjective is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

[Sangwa]

Exactly Verden. RP experience depends on the actual time and place you are. It's just hard for some people to accept they don't know everything and so when their experience changes, it's because everything else did.

For me, as long as there is RP, I'm pretty glad. Means I have a chance to come in and have some fun without listening to people saying "Lol, did u c teh new spidrlzlzl?"

Did this thing have an actual top-- Oh, right. I remember now.

[Illysia]

If that were the case, RP communities wouldn't normally be such closed communities. For people with more than mediocre standards, they realize that it is possible to completely muck it up. But I guess that just proves that "RP" way back when really was a mess and largely OOC. Good for you, thought, as anything done now must be an improvement.

[Sangwa]

What can I say. I don't presume to roleplay better than everyone. I just follow the rules and have fun. Good luck in your new MMORPG.

[Illysia]

Good luck in your new MMORPG.

Mabinogi is awesome. It's just a shame that it has all sorts of mechanics that would be better suited for an RP game but very few RPers. It's weird, Mabinogi is like a RP game full of PLers and PS is like a PL game with RPers...

[RlyDontKnow]

go and play that awesome game and convince everyone that they're wrong and make them RPers then?
or just find a new game if you like neihter...

anyway, what's fun to see is that threads like this are perfectly interchangeable with those of forums associated with any RP servers of other games like ultima online or the like that's around for a few years

anyway... just leave those that enjoy the game be and discuss the oh-so-poor state of the art with someone who still manages to listen to you Illysia I'm not running around claiming how horribly WoW is done, either, nor do I run around shouting dating-sim games are stupid just cause I don't like them myself

[Illysia]

Nah, unlike PS, Mabinogi is developed enough to where there is plenty to do without having to convert people to RP so that you can have fun. The only reason I'm not playing is simply because my laptop that could handle it died. Otherwise I would have been in game far more than here. Shame too as they had a new release and I finally got a mount. :S

anyway, what's fun to see is that threads like this are perfectly interchangeable with those of forums associated with any RP servers of other games like ultima online or the like that's around for a few years

Oh no... but that can't be. PS's malcontents are the worse people in the world and any real player doesn't ever complain about the work of a dev team. That's why so much work is being done to get those kinds of players from other MMOs into PS... /sarcasm


However, just admit it... your biggest problem is just that I refuse to back down and you can't find a better, reasoned out argument than "you're just mean...". Otherwise personal attacks, trying to dismiss me, trying to pretend like I'm constantly mean, etc... wouldn't be necessary. It's great to know people that try and above it all so obviously aren't and can't help it (especially when they have to band together just to manage an attempt a making enough of a point). <3  Remember kids, arguments ad hominem are for when you have nothing else to say. But, if you insist on trying to make me abandon my opinion without a better reason than "I choose to ignore it so you must too", then sure.. I'm going to hang around and defend it. I might make a spark or two but it's usually other people pouring the gasoline. Case in point, I don't argue with everyone that disagrees with me.

anyway... just leave those that enjoy the game be and discuss the oh-so-poor state of the art with someone who still manages to listen to you Illysia I'm not running around claiming how horribly WoW is done, either, nor do I run around shouting dating-sim games are stupid just cause I don't like them myself

I do let people enjoy the game. That's why I left. I generally don't start long drawn out arguments; I simply refuse to back down just because someone throws a long paragraph at me. If you really don't want paragraphs of refuting stuff then those that disagree with me but have to make a fuss can practice what they preach and learn to accept a different opinion. And of course you don't do that stuff Rly. Keeping PS from collapsing under its own weight is full time work, you don't have time for anything else.