In-game paper issues

[Vakachehk]

First off - it is very sad to see Raikana leave, she sounds like a great writer.

But my opinion to the rule of harassment is BS - really it's an IC action, the whole paper - so really what I am guessing Raikana is doing is publishing news, news is news it's the media GTFOI. They publish what they please when they please you don't like that tough luck.

You want to know something - I was pronounced dead by a newspaper yes I understand what it's like getting my name put into a newspaper when I don't want it in. Now pronounced dead was a complete lie when I was in a critical situation in ICU in hospital (for a car accident) now yeah it sounds pretty much like "wow who cares you would be asleep anyways" well considering my parents were stressed to the max and getting phone calls of people feeling for them because I am 'dead' got very irritating and hard for them.

My point is that its the media they lie they put whoevers name in their papers as they please... the only thing stopping them would be the police as saying a criminals name could led to many other problems. But still really who cares if your name was placed in the paper and it was an insult towards you, your life in Yliakum isn't going to be perfect the media will stir to make tria or make their name larger, it's just what they do. Just build a bridge and you'll be fine.


Sorry if this is a peace of crap but it's my time to hit the sack 

[Talad]

Few things on my side.
1) I still didn't get completely what was the harassment to be posted, the only part in this long thread explaining it is "an incident that happened at the Red Crystal Den, involving an exploding Esorono and a bottle of cider (don't laugh, Mishka was terrified)." What I get is that the event was a problem if reported IC because the involved people didn't want it to be published IC. That's perfectly fine to me and I don't see why there is need of GM intervention on it. An important point is that a paper published in game should not contain OOC information, like personal information on the players.
2) Sarva said in her posts that the warning was to take care of not making a journal which would make other players mad, the journal would not be censored or stopped before publication, but if the resulting article would be very bad, then the GMs could decide to take action on it. I think that probably GMs should not even start this conversation, because it's implied in our policy that harassment is not permitted, and they could read the paper later and decide if that was bad or not. Intervening up front seemed not the best move, and generated a lot of trouble for nothing. So I ask the GMs to avoid such things in the future. Be part of the game only when things happen and are very bad, do not make "hypothesis" on what may happen, or what other players report it may happen. At this point the paper has not been published yet, so any speculation on how it's content is "harassment" or very bad is just fictional and to me not very useful.
3) I think Raikana definitely over-reacted by deleting his/her account. This means we will have to work on the backup to restore it, if this dispute is settled.

My suggestion is that players should go to GMs only when there is real evidence in game of something which is against our policies, not before this realizes. I will speak with the GM team to see how we can make this happen.

[Urriro]

Thank you Mishka. That was very important. And I see you tried your best to rp it out, but then as it still did not help you asked for help.  

Sulaika as Mishka said, we both have tried it. And you know that Raikana was my tabei. I tried all that we can talk from tabei to tabei to say her why Urriro had problems with this article ICly. I had and have no problems with this article OOCly. You and some other chars know why I have this problem ICly. And I know also that this chars will not tell this secret until they have the permit to do it.
I said later to Raikana that I wish to talk to her from tabei to tabei and not to the editor and she agreeded. This talk was planed ICly from me. But sadly I couldn't talk to her anymore, because she deleted her char. 
And what earlier happend between Mishka and Raikana, I read it the first time in Mishka's post here.

[Earowo]

Woot, bring Raikana back Talad \o/

[Chucki]

I think the dramas here are over-rated.

Both sides seem to be getting overdramatic about something, that in all reality, never happened (having taken place in a fictitious world et al).

[Maisent]

I loved the journal, and frankly I think that if a person, who is in the journal, doesn't want his name in it, can't he just RP it with Raikana? Instead of OOC complaining to the GM's ?

[Vakachehk]

I loved the journal, and frankly I think that if a person, who is in the journal, doesn't want his name in it, can't he just RP it with Raikana? Instead of OOC complaining to the GM's ?

But the paper is just pure media they have no say whether something about them is in it or not it's very silly and really needs to be discussed properly between the complainer (player who didn't want their name/story in the paper) Raikana, and a reasonable, non side taking, non favouritism, good GM. (Either Marathal or HaniX)

[Sarras Volcae]

Wow sarras, no wonder people call you a sarrasaur, you 'are' a bi***.

no mod has taken care of this yet. so, i guess i can sink to your level as this and your post will eventually be deleted anyway.

i hope you asphyxiate yourself on a furball next time you yiff, furfag!

 

[Sarva]

I loved the journal, and frankly I think that if a person, who is in the journal, doesn't want his name in it, can't he just RP it with Raikana? Instead of OOC complaining to the GM's ?

It should be noted that Raikana was telling people that if she didn't get enough people to sign her petition for  total freedom of the press she would stop printing the paper even before a GM had ever talked to her. Also it should be noted it was another player who told Raikana and the other player involved in the discussion to take their dispute to the gm-talk IRC channel. It was only after the other player in the discussion did come into the gm-talk IRC channel that the GMs got involved in a in game in an attempt to keep a discussion that was getting more OOC out of the main chat channel.

[Vakachehk]

I loved the journal, and frankly I think that if a person, who is in the journal, doesn't want his name in it, can't he just RP it with Raikana? Instead of OOC complaining to the GM's ?

It should be noted that Raikana was telling people that if she didn't get enough people to sign her petition for  total freedom of the press she would stop printing the paper even before a GM had ever talked to her. Also it should be noted it was another player who told Raikana and the other player involved in the discussion to take their dispute to the gm-talk IRC channel. It was only after the other player in the discussion did come into the gm-talk IRC channel that the GMs got involved in a in game in an attempt to keep a discussion that was getting more OOC out of the main chat channel.

I can't see how getting signatures is totally OOC. If the rules are stopping people from doing IC stuff then isn't that OOC so really it doesn't make sense to me. It's like the whole grieving rule basically you can't be a bad character, because it can't be IC either, that's a little 'what do you want us to do' run around having the lamest talks ever, get drunk in a tavern? I like good and bad RP, and a little of the buzz of creativity.

[Earowo]

I loved the journal, and frankly I think that if a person, who is in the journal, doesn't want his name in it, can't he just RP it with Raikana? Instead of OOC complaining to the GM's ?

It should be noted that Raikana was telling people that if she didn't get enough people to sign her petition for  total freedom of the press she would stop printing the paper even before a GM had ever talked to her. Also it should be noted it was another player who told Raikana and the other player involved in the discussion to take their dispute to the gm-talk IRC channel. It was only after the other player in the discussion did come into the gm-talk IRC channel that the GMs got involved in a in game in an attempt to keep a discussion that was getting more OOC out of the main chat channel.

I can't see how getting signatures is totally OOC. If the rules are stopping people from doing IC stuff then isn't that OOC so really it doesn't make sense to me. It's like the whole grieving rule basically you can't be a bad character, because it can't be IC either, that's a little 'what do you want us to do' run around having the lamest talks ever, get drunk in a tavern? I like good and bad RP, and a little of the buzz of creativity.

And their is always going on strikes thats how african-americans, got their rights, they sat down in front of office buildings, stores, they did marches, ect, and even though cockasians beat them mercillesly, they wouldnt fight back, and eventually got their way.
Yes kids, complain long enough and you get what you want

[Sangwa]

I was hoping this would die out or get moved. It hasn't, so I'll vent some as well.

There's no point in doing something if a GM tells you not to. And there's no point in getting mad about what a GM tells you. What you can do is expose your displeasure in the right place and then choose if you like the response or not.
Raikana actually did most of that right (though she missed the right place to post this) since she got an answer she didn't like and so she got going. Wise gal.

I do agree that the rule here should be the general "ignore if you don't like it" from the bothered players' side. I also believe that the GM in question seemed to overreact (though not as much as Raikana) by talking of banning in a vulgar, silly situation... Still, there is no reason at all to invoke the desecration of democracy, freedom of speech and the human race on this gaming environment.

[Vakachehk]

I was hoping this would die out or get moved. It hasn't, so I'll vent some as well.

There's no point in doing something if a GM tells you not to. And there's no point in getting mad about what a GM tells you. What you can do is expose your displeasure in the right place and then choose if you like the response or not.
Raikana actually did most of that right (though she missed the right place to post this) since she got an answer she didn't like and so she got going. Wise gal.

I do agree that the rule here should be the general "ignore if you don't like it" from the bothered players' side. I also believe that the GM in question seemed to overreact (though not as much as Raikana) by talking of banning in a vulgar, silly situation... Still, there is no reason at all to invoke the desecration of democracy, freedom of speech and the human race on this gaming environment.

Agreed! 

[verden]

Comparing players on a free video game to the civil rights movement is really going too far. And this whole thing sounds like it was a straw man scenario from the beginning.

[novacadian]

6*250= 1.500 tria +
4*720= 2.880 tria =
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       4.380 tria

Hope your reporting is more accurate than your math, 

(23:32:21) Venorel says: "So are we in agreement of 6700 for 4 issues ads plus one sack of this issue of the Journal and no contetss trings?"
(23:32:27) Raikana says: then it will be more easy for you to sell
(23:32:47) Venorel nods
(23:32:58) Venorel takes a swig from the bottle
(23:33:49) Raikana says: yes! 6700 for the ad and 20 papers (with sack)
(23:33:54) Raikana smile
(23:34:21) >Raikana Plip dropped a Sack.
(23:34:28) Raikana unguard
(23:34:30) Venorel extends her ungloved hand to shake on it
(23:34:38) Raikana says: take it
(23:34:52) >Venorel Weruno picked up a Sack
(23:34:58) Raikana says: very well

There was the 7 or so copies that were bought previous to the IC deal making. So let's say 1750+6700=opps 8450 tria. It would be justified to take the rounding off defence against any accusation of misleading the public at large. 

Get over it and back to the presses. 

- Nova