some music.

[bbum]

i dont really know what you guys listen to but heres somthing im working on

first-trance.MP3

i would right click, save as if i were you.

[elminster]

I think you should continue to model... That\'s something you can probably do better.

Not my style, sorry.
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P.S. It has almost driven me up the wall.

[bbum]

ill definatly keep modeling... musics just somthing i like alot.

im going to be uploading some more soon, and that is my only techno song, maybe one of them will be more your style

if your not into techno you should check out some trance, orchastra instuments are sounds of the olde!!

this is the symphony of 2003

trance is great, if you actully listen to it, it will move your emotions up and down, make your soul fly, most people wouldnt give the time to listen though, but if you listen to a whole trance song you should feel somthing, even if you dont like it, i dought mine is anything like this though

btw, just curious, what is your style?

beat01

beat02

and heres some nice trance (not mine)
voyage - yahel

(right click save as)

[elminster]

Originally posted by bbum
ill definatly keep modeling... musics just somthing i like alot.

Wise decision...

Originally posted by bbum
if your not into techno you should check out some trance, orchastra instuments are sounds of the olde!!

Well, they may be old. But there are SURELY some masterpieces around those. Just listen to Dvorak - New World Symphony. That is the one I like the most from classical music.

Originally posted by bbum
this is the symphony of 2003

trance is great, if you actully listen to it, it will move your emotions up and down, make your soul fly, most people wouldnt give the time to listen though, but if you listen to a whole trance song you should feel somthing, even if you dont like it, i dought mine is anything like this though

btw, just curious, what is your style?

Strange. I have listened to all your musics, but I cannot say I like them. (BTW. the download speed is awfully slow. Is it you? - 1 kByte/sec)

My style? Well, listen to this, and decide yourself
projekt_k8-night_of_fire.mp3
Nightwish_-_The_Riddler.ogg
(Delete it within 24 hours, etc.)
Listen to both, I have listened to yours too!

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P.S. (Will be long a bit)
It was NEVER my intention to attack anyone by any means. But I tend not to speak about something I don\'t know much enough. I don\'t know anything about modeling for example - I simply don\'t know how to do it, never used any modeling program (apart from Valve-Worldcraft). So I don\'t criticise any 3d work, as I don\'t exactly know how hard was it to make, how much work was it. I just don\'t wish to razz others\' work. Maybe you can also try to do it this way?
BTW. CS is not a little opensource project - it has nearly 50 developers. Is that so little? And you are right. It will not have specular lighting. The new renderer ALREADY has it.
Why don\'t you take a look at the screenshots on the CS website (http://crystal.sf.net). Also, look at these:
http://bigbrother.vac.hu/~einstein/renderer/car3.jpg
http://bigbrother.vac.hu/~einstein/renderer/ppl_fullmonty_barrels.jpg
http://bigbrother.vac.hu/~einstein/renderer/shadows.jpg

And this video. It shows the commercial Meqon physics engine\'s features, but they used CS for 3D, and it shows the new renderer\'s features too:
http://meqon.com/movies/constructionsite.avi

Maybe these will convince you...

[BlueScreenJunky]

still downloading your work bbum....

I listened to your musics elminster, I didn\'t like the first one that much, it sounds too \"artificial\". it usually doesn\'t bother me since I love oldschool mods and occasionnaly listen to trance or that kind of stuff, but mixing it with voices and guitar just sounds weird to me.
Also I love the girl\'s voice and the violins (or whatever it is), but I hate the guy\'s voice...

The second one is very good (dunno why but the intro reminds me of Toshinden ) I\'m going to search for more stuff from Nightwish.

Originally posted by bbum
if your not into techno you should check out some trance, orchastra instuments are sounds of the olde!!

this is the symphony of 2003

Originally posted by elminster
Well, they may be old. But there are SURELY some masterpieces around those. Just listen to Dvorak - New World Symphony. That is the one I like the most from classical music.

I don\'t agree, those intruments are still used nowadays. I \'m not a big classical music fan (I downloaded New World Symphony but I\'m not in the mood right now, maybe I\'ll listen to it tonight), but I do love those instruments in more modern music, or in movies, animes and video games. You might love trance, but I think you have to admit you can\'t make a soundtrack with only trance or techno...


And if you want to know what stuff I like, here are some of my favorites.

VGM / Anime  composers :
-Yoko Kanno (Cowboy bebop, Escaflowne, Wolf\'s rain)
-Yasunori Mitsuda (Xenogears, Xenosaga)
-Chris Huelsbeck (Turrican series, Tunnel B1)
and I love ZOE 2nd runner main theme, called \"Beyond the bounds\", but I don\'t know who composed it.

Others :
-Dr Awesome
-Solas
-Lacuna Coil

[elminster]

Originally posted by BlueScreenJunky
I listened to your musics elminster, I didn\'t like the first one that much, it sounds too \"artificial\".
...
Also I love the girl\'s voice and the violins (or whatever it is), but I hate the guy\'s voice...

Why? It sounds just fine - but the woman\'s voice is indeed better - or higher at least

Originally posted by BlueScreenJunky
The second one is very good (dunno why but the intro reminds me of Toshinden ) I\'m going to search for more stuff from Nightwish.

I have 5 albums from them
Not all is good, but there are some nice... like the above.

BTW, thanks for listening. And listen to Dvorak sometime - it is a masterpiece!!!

Strange. I have never even heard of those artists you mentioned
Maybe I will look them up the net.

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[BlueScreenJunky]

Strange. I have never even heard of those artists you mentioned

would have been useless if I had mentionned those I like and everyone knows eh ?

[bbum]

elminster, do you get that render means it has to be rendered... which means it cant be in game.

now it could just be a missuse of words in these posts, since im way to lazy to check the cs site.

and i didnt mean to bash old orchastra sounds, im actuly a huge fan, but man, when you listen to some trance...

and some of the best music ever composed can be found on consoles... snes has a few legendary composers, im planning on making a few remakes with new sounds, since i can import midi files and mess with them

[Fanomatic2000]

If you want emotions then you should try New-age instead.

Just click the \"play\" button

http://www.live365.com/stations/moonshea2u

You can try this too, it\'s the best of consolegame-music. It has all kind of styles. In my opinion the best station there is.
Note: It\'s not the original MIDI-versions.

http://www.live365.com/stations/dj_moogles_t1

[elminster]

Originally posted by bbum
elminster, do you get that render means it has to be rendered... which means it cant be in game.

?(
I don\'t get this. I am not native english.

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[sashok]

if you could host this 5 meg file on a faster server, I would listen to it

I don\'t wanna download 5 megs at 1kb/s

[bbum]

elminster, render is like a technical term. the kind of computer graphics you see in movies or in video game cut scenes has to be rendered, when your playing a game, its activly rendering while your playing.

so thats why cut scenes can look so much better than the game, because its all pre-rendered for hours then put into a movie file format, or picture.

and yeah ... download speed really really sucks, but i didnt realize unitl after i uploaded it

[BlueScreenJunky]

some of the best music ever composed can be found on consoles

Agree on that
/me is going to listen to Castlevania : Symphony of the Night soundtrack

[elminster]

Originally posted by bbum
elminster, render is like a technical term. the kind of computer graphics you see in movies or in video game cut scenes has to be rendered, when your playing a game, its activly rendering while your playing.

REALLY? Are you sure? Well, what do you know... WOW. 8o
I never even heard about this \"render\" word in my 4 year programming carreer, and 2 years of 3D programming.
You surely know something.

Originally posted by bbum
so thats why cut scenes can look so much better than the game, because its all pre-rendered for hours then put into a movie file format, or picture.

To be serious:
It is not the word \"render\" what I don\'t understand. It was your SENTENCE. I am a programmer, and I know quite a few things. So the word \"render\" is quite familiar for me.

You are talking about 2 different things here. Rasterization based rendering and ray-tracing. They are TOTALLY different. I don\'t want to begin with writing the differences, as this post would get a bit long...

And cut-scenes can still be in 2 forms: one type which uses the game engine to render, the other simply plays a movie file, which contains a ray-traced scene. So cut-scenes NOT always look better, and NOT always faster. The first case only has predefined information about camera movement, actor movement, etc. and the game engine still has to do it in real-time. While the second case is done with a ray-tracer.

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[Vengeance]

Rendering just means drawing.

Scenes can be pre-rendered or rendered in real-time.

CS has a software renderer, an OpenGL renderer and a new OpenGL renderer under development.  It is this new renderer that has all the shader stuff in it.

- Venge