Rivnak Parkour Challenge

[Gilrond]

I think climbing on walls is a good exercise, and if guards might consider it forbidden, let guards walk on walls and warn those who attempt to climb there And that's an IC thing completely (climbing as well as guards reaction on it), not a warning of GM about OOC conduct. I.e. if GMs want to RP guards or upset house residents, they should RP it properly then (screaming something like: "Hey you, get off my roof now!", or "Alarm! Intruders on the wall!" etc.), instead of giving OOC warnings. I'm still not convinced at all about OOC nature of such things. This might be not a regular or even not an expected thing in the city, but it doesn't make it OOC. As Catlemur's wiki link demonstrates  

[Phantomboy86]

Yes, I notice Gms and players alike seem to mix up OOC with against the rules, using it as a general blanket term. OOC would be something your character would not or could not do. Can you climb a wall? Technically aside from Kran, most could. Would they be allowed? Thats a different question, but it doesnt make it any less impossible.

 A criminal or spy damn sure wont let the hanging threat of guards keep him off a vantage point.

If something is against the rules however, it isnt OUT OF CHARACTER, its just against the game's rules. 

GM's should not punish people for climbing some buildings. If a climber is any good at it, most people won't even know they've been there. Its not like you're wearing heavy metal boots and jumping up and down, or screaming at the top of your lungs. If you're mostly standing still, you're golden. (however it pisses me off each time I see someone in HA on a roof.)

[Gilrond]

If something is against the rules however, it isnt OUT OF CHARACTER, its just against the game's rules.

I'd also distinguish between game rules, and IG rules (you can call them OOC rules, and IC rules for clarity). For example game rules forbid cheating (using some technical means let's say), while IG rules (laws etc.) forbid for example going down into the burial well. Those are two different categories. If for first GMs can react in OOC manner, for second their reaction should be IC (imho).

[Sarva]

If you can climb some place, without the use of a mount, then you are free to do that. Of course a resident or a guard may take exception to you climbing on someone's house since that is the behavior along the lines of a thief.

In the case of using mounts to climb someplace that is OOC. Drifters are like hover craft, if they get to high off the ground they lose lift and in reality they would not have the ability to jump as high as the drifters do. Same thing with a rivnak. They would not have the ability to jump straight up as high as they do. So using a mount to climb really is OOC since it is an exploit of something the models can do that the "real" creatures would not have the ability to do. when it comes to OOC things, like using a mount to climb or casting magic from the Arena walls we tell players to stop OOc via tells. If someone is running around on buildings that they don't own, and they didn't use a mount to get there or aren't running around on a mount, then we would deal with the situation in an IC manner.

[xitop]

I sometimes find the rules about what is and is not permissable oddly arbitrary.. what i'm thinking of is fictional probability.. In a world where magic is possible , allowing the transmutation of energy at will to allow perpetual motion (the recovery spell), where creatures can be summoned from the netherworld, and have solidity, surely in such a world anything is possible? I once asked for a special area to be created, a small one, where the power of the crystal allowed everyone's stats to be maxed for a short time every month, say, so that all could fight on an equal basis, and was told that this couldn't be justified ic. Surely, in a world where WEAPONS have magical powers, we have magical powers, the crystal has magical powers, animals can be summoned at will, then the land in some places, at certain times could have magical powers, and some animals , able to be summoned at the will of their owners, could also climb at their owners will?
Or maybe the laws of gravity dont apply in the netherworld, but do apply in the dome.. unless they are drifters, when they only partially apply.

[Vakachehk]

I sometimes find the rules about what is and is not permissable oddly arbitrary.. what i'm thinking of is fictional probability.. In a world where magic is possible , allowing the transmutation of energy at will to allow perpetual motion (the recovery spell), where creatures can be summoned from the netherworld, and have solidity, surely in such a world anything is possible? I once asked for a special area to be created, a small one, where the power of the crystal allowed everyone's stats to be maxed for a short time every month, say, so that all could fight on an equal basis, and was told that this couldn't be justified ic. Surely, in a world where WEAPONS have magical powers, we have magical powers, the crystal has magical powers, animals can be summoned at will, then the land in some places, at certain times could have magical powers, and some animals , able to be summoned at the will of their owners, could also climb at their owners will?
Or maybe the laws of gravity dont apply in the netherworld, but do apply in the dome.. unless they are drifters, when they only partially apply.

Sorry hardly read this, there's no glyph or magical power (announced by the devs) to make your mount OOCly jump up on roofs and walls at their owners will. Just so you know it's the magical powers of the Ring of Familiar to summon your mount at your will, the ring does nothing else (ICly) than summon, dismiss, follow and stay (I think that's all).

Guys you don't run settings, so if the Devs say a mount wont do it or be able to do it, then just don't do it. Get over it. If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.

[Gilrond]

There is a Fly glyph somewhere btw.

[Gilrond]

If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.

I don't see any benefit to PS in screwing what works, instead of implementing what doesn't, or fixing what's broken. Let devs work on improving the PS, not ruining it.

[Catlemur]

Do not forget today on 14:00:00 UTC outside Harnquist.

[Sarras Volcae]

you can count on the GMs being there. 

[Vakachehk]

If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.

I don't see any benefit to PS in screwing what works, instead of implementing what doesn't, or fixing what's broken. Let devs work on improving the PS, not ruining it.

They aren't screwing what works. They're taking something that works however is getting abused. Like mining platinum, it was getting abused OOCly and it needed to end. Warrior characters mining platinum doesn't mix ICly. However, They probably wont take out mounts jumping, they'd probably just make them jump forwards instead of upwards.

Also the Devs never said a Rivnak could be spelled by the fly glyph, therefore it's OOC. That's like saying "Oh there's a weapon glyph that means my mount can attack you".

[Phantomboy86]

Sarva you misunderstand me, I've no illusions as to a Rivnak/drifter's straight jumping ability, I'm saying people use it as a SUBSTITUTE for what their character could do IC'ly, but the mechanics are not implemented into the game.

So if someone really did think they could get a horse on top of a building, for gods sakes smack them down off of it, they dont need to fall on their heads more. But if they're using an OOC means to do something that SHOULD be possible IC'ly (via the climbing skill) you should not punish them. (unless they're wearing HA. Or are a kran, because a giant rock is not going to have the ability to scale buildings)

In a nutshell, if the person is RP'ing being on the roof from their own two feet, you should allow it (send the guards or have an angry citizen shout at them or something if they're making a scene) But if they really think they are on that roof on top of a mount, don't. That's distinguishing between OOC and IC.

[Sangwa]

So you're saying that because your char has a rivnak you're allowed to RP climbing around while my char that doesn't have one isn't? That's unfair. I say we all wait for the climb skill together and listen to the man.

I can understand 1 person climbing around rooftops from time to time. A contest of it? Meh, I'd shoot arrows on anyone who tried to mess the outpost's rooftop.