Winch access... The Never Ending Frustration

[Mordaan]

I agree with those two points.  Although we want to make it at least somewhat challenging to reach the winch, it shouldn't be pointlessly challenging.  It shouldn't be hard because you're just guessing which quests to do with little or no direction.

The winch door we can do pretty easily.  As for an extra quest with Percival, it's probably not a bad idea.  There are a few more pressing projects to get done first, but this is certainly on our to do list.  (As is adjusting all the chains to have better information and flow.)

--edit: check that, having the winch door point to Percival would have to wait until we have something with Percival (or whatever is decided).  But maybe we can at least remove the Raithen reference and put something else there for now.

[LigH]

Something generic like "the Eagle Bronze Doors fortress authority"?

[Daevaorn]

What you guys (the devs) did for the cooking chain, for example, is simply great  and in the long run the key to solving this problem as well. The problem is not that there are quests to do to gain access, and not that there are too many to do. It's just that the ones we have are linked in a way that is simply unintuitive and too hard to follow and find out about.

So guys (all you frustrated ones), give them some time, support in their work, and most importantly some praise for what they HAVE done and achieved. The latter is a much better motivation than the bashing they get for what they haven't been able to do YET. Remember, you have been warned that this all this here is work in progress! 

[novacadian]

... give them some time...

 

That's my approach to all quests. Just lurch on to one when it rp feels right. Winch access was given to me one day when helping out the sunshine guard. Don't ask me about chains.

- Nova

[Tuathanach]

I understand making the winch access hard, but is it possible to make it easier to get mounts. For example Jardet will get the paper work done for you for a fee say 20k on top of the tax, for those who don't have winch access. This would make all the travelling much easier for doing the quests especially when travelling to bronze doors.

[LigH]

I am trying to find the Merchants' Way into the Winch with a more or less "new" character.

Before I found out which pre-quests are required to get a golden ring from Toda, I solved already almost 70 other quests. It appears that there is more than one reason to be sent to Ojaveda, not only inside the library.

I think it is possible that I may get Winch access prerequisite quests not before I get asked to have a mount. Who knows. I don't know the relations between quests. Why should one want to access the Winch, except he needs the written permission? I don't know which restrictions to the availability of Winch quest chains was implemented. Maybe you can achieve access without a specific need; maybe you need a quest first which requires your Winch access.

[novacadian]

My main has winch access without any talk of a mount yet. An alt has papers for a mount but no winch access. Hope that helps.