[COMMUNITY] We're Remaking the tutorial so it’s fun and interesting thread

[MishkaL1138]

/offthe wall:

live tutorial! Recruit players to help out in the tutorial every once in a while, through roleplay!

Been there, done that. It seems that everyone forgets about the Tutorial Helpers though. I remember Odarilen, for example. The solution would be having someone with that task only, maybe with low GM powers? I mean, not players helping, but an actual "staff" doing that job.

[Sarva]

One of the biggest problems in the Tutorial is that players seem to be fixated on the NPC channel and ignore any other channel. Then even most of the time ignore even a warning sent to them. It can be frustrating when you want to talk to someone and they ignore tells, main and warnings. Maybe there needs to be a note about different channels in the tutorial.


For the Tutorial Helpers guild, which we still have,we have a rule of no guild recruitment in the tutorial.

[Pakarro]

One of the biggest problems in the Tutorial is that players seem to be fixated on the NPC channel and ignore any other channel. Then even most of the time ignore even a warning sent to them. It can be frustrating when you want to talk to someone and they ignore tells, main and warnings. Maybe there needs to be a note about different channels in the tutorial.

Very good point! Some quests force players to interact, but when they don't get the idea to do that first, they are very soon discouraged.

[Minks]

Great, Venalan! A tutorial overhaul is much needed.

My two trias on the topic (the rest has already been mentioned by others.):
1.) Don't have Xenak say "Go through the gate." when he's really waiting for you to click him again.
2.) Make some visible clue on the gates that you cannot exit through them. Maybe a note that says "Speak to Xenak or Abelia first."

Both for the same reason:
I've lost count on the number of newbies I watching ramming their little heads on the gates. 

[Cirerey]

My two trias on the topic (the rest has already been mentioned by others.):
1.) Don't have Xenak say "Go through the gate." when he's really waiting for you to click him again.

Maybe just change the text to something like "I can let you through the gate now"

[Cairn]

/offthe wall:

live tutorial! Recruit players to help out in the tutorial every once in a while, through roleplay!

Been there, done that. It seems that everyone forgets about the Tutorial Helpers though. I remember Odarilen, for example. The solution would be having someone with that task only, maybe with low GM powers? I mean, not players helping, but an actual "staff" doing that job.

Yurp, that's the idea. I didn't forget, just throwin' it out there again
Good eye, mate.

[Venalan]

Just so you guys know, I've started the tutorial rework in earnest. I'll be posting updates as and when bits are done

[Illysia]

gogogo!

[Denes]

From where I’m standing it looks like:
I liked the tutorial when I joined (last Nov.) didn’t mind reading the longer text (considered every bits of settings valuable to fit in) , but yeah… Everybody is impatient about getting into the real thing. (some here are already discussed in older posts)
-   Stating that chat commands are important since not all have a GUI equivalent -> see help-chat commands to better interact with the word.
-   /show shortcut is a must
-   Mind slot is for crafting (ie you have to put a book in it to craft)
-   Mount is a no. A freshman cannot know traveling is that of a big problem here. This would just make them expect one, and fast.
To shorten the whole thing I’d try to offer choices of interest like: “I’m interested in fighting -> go kill rats” “I’m interested in crafting ->use the furnace“ or cooking, herbal or “Meeting interesting ppl ->RP advices” or whatever…. This would allow them to try only what they think their initial path could be. The best IMO would be to get them interact with other players as soon as possible. Like… Hmmm.. for example not giving swords for fighters-to-be, but telling them to try and ask for one near Harn’s till they get one. I’d expect most of our crafters give away a q50-100 sabre (or similar) any time for a promise of 20 rat legs.
In the hope you’ll find bits that are useable…

[Venalan]

So I've add this notice board and wanted to put 4-6 books on it with a series of basic things players could read about the city they will soon be entering.

Give me some ideas!

@Denes

Thanks for comments, all information for chat windows and how to craft will be pointed out to the players so they know exactly where to read about what they do. Making the help file as comprehensive as possible is the last thing to do be done before release. Linking to a version in here so you lot can read it immediately is something i'll also probably do.

[LigH]

There was a good suggestion by Shkirr(?) Mewmeat, a few days ago, to have an IC dictionary of a few usual phrases, in Common and in several racial languages. I am not sure if this would be a matching place for a copy, but it might give new players an early impression that some people take the meaning of "immersion" serious.

[ludwigusdescartium]

This is a fine endeavour.

[Illysia]

A short book on the arrangement of government so that they realize it is neither a democracy nor a monarchy would be good. No need for kings or officials voted in by the general populace.

or

Perhaps a book commenting on the shadier areas so that those interested in it will know to head to those places.

[Venalan]

There was a good suggestion by Shkirr(?) Mewmeat, a few days ago, to have an IC dictionary of a few usual phrases, in Common and in several racial languages. I am not sure if this would be a matching place for a copy, but it might give new players an early impression that some people take the meaning of "immersion" serious.

I like this, good idea, I'm using it.

A short book on the arrangement of government so that they realize it is neither a democracy nor a monarchy would be good. No need for kings or officials voted in by the general populace.

or

Perhaps a book commenting on the shadier areas so that those interested in it will know to head to those places.

Certainly possible I'll it to the list and see what else gets mentioned.

[Roled]

This is another fine piece of work started by the team and Venalan- thanks!

Since the books on the kiosk are meant to be IC, perhaps one should encourage rp right off? Something like

"Yliakum is a big world, with many wonders, and confusions!
If ye gets yerself lost or end up being chased by some salivating creature,
or if ye finds yerself in a city, and hungry, with no tria fer dinner, well, then,
ye can ASK any other citizen of our Dome fer help!

Most citizens will give ye directions, or suggestions, or even take ye to the place yer trying to find!
Some may even buy yer dinner and ale if yer hungry, or give ye a blade to start yer training.

Yliakum be a big world, but, each citizen of the Dome knows some of it's secrets.
Ask nicely, as ye would to a family member,  if ye wishes help or have questions...
And beware those what might wish to rob ye of yer pack!
Signed~
A Friend"

     or something... 

RR