(20:43:24) Kerel: Waesed I got 8 million for the RcD
(20:43:44) Kerel: well actualy a bit more than 8 million
(20:44:09) Kerel: send you thanks to Magitex
(20:44:11) Mishka: Wow what?
(20:44:25) Mishka: What did he sell that was worth so much?
(20:44:48) Kerel: well the Family GH has been robbed aswell
(20:44:51) Magitex: I have never been seen or accused to my face for stealing by anyone
(20:45:05) Resildren: you have now
(20:45:09) Resildren: by the guards
(20:45:09) Zhorala: Well, you have been now.
(20:45:14) Magitex: with no in game proof
(20:45:19) Tuon: 8 million? that's not really a lot
(20:45:29) Mishka: Look, buddy
(20:45:33) Zhorala: There was proof even if you did not see it yourself.
(20:45:43) Kerel: First time for everything Magitex
(20:45:45) Mishka: One guy got banned for a whole year for doing that same thing.
(20:45:47) Mishka: So be thankful.
(20:46:05) Mishka: You should've got banned, instead they're just slapping your hand a little.
(20:46:19) Magitex: Mishka, you rarely ever see me and you never saw me steal anything becuase you are never around when im on and you are on other parts of the land
(20:46:28) Resildren: hey if you want, we can talk to the guards, maybe they'll lets us just cut off your hands
(20:46:34) Waesed: There will be a trial.
(20:46:35) Resildren: well maybe feet too?
(20:46:40) Mishka: Look, they're GMs. They know when you steal something.
(20:46:47) Mishka: So don't deny the evidence.
(20:46:50) Mishka: We're not stupid.
(20:46:56) Magitex: ( proof has to be in game chracter mode only)
(20:47:07) Mishka: No, what you did is grieving.
(20:47:18) Mishka: It's both an IC and OOC offense.
(20:47:28) Mishka: I'm very surprised you're not being banned.
(20:47:41) Resildren: wll it seems that that key you had was pretty good ingame proof
(20:47:50) Resildren grins
(20:47:57) Mishka: Now quit whining, man up, and be thankful.
(20:48:05) Magitex: no you are just a sore loser and cant accept being responsible for your own lack of guild responsiubilities..........not losing keys and then just randomlly point fingers at whom you want
(20:48:20) Mishka: Lol I didn't lose anything.
(20:48:23) Resildren points to the dome
(20:48:36) Kaerli: be glad we don't have full-on corporate espionage going on in PS. that is all.
(20:48:41) Magitex: well clearly soemthing went missing and you were not around to see it go misiing
(20:48:43) Resildren: thats where the scums go
(20:48:50) Magitex: thats not my fault
(20:49:10) Mishka: What Mishka does ICly is independent of what I think OOCly, most of the times.
(20:49:29) Magitex: when one does not see thier things go missing then they are not being careful and responsible for thier things
(20:49:44) Mishka: But this time I see the OOC evidence that you griefed not only two but... more than three guilds (including guilds to which guard characters pertains).
(20:49:51) Magitex: (if you have in game chracter proof show me now)
(20:50:15) Tuon: logs you mean?
(20:50:19) Kerel: its been ic
(20:50:35) Zhorala: Magitex: You sold items to an NPC. IC that NPC is a person who is answerable to the guards when they ask questions. You should be able to work out the IC logic from there.
(20:50:36) Magitex: logs dont count. if not inchracter
(20:50:42) Kerel: Gardr reconized you
(20:50:54) Kerel: you sold him many stoled items
(20:51:02) Magitex: Gardr is not a real player
(20:51:04) Kerel: we made investigation
(20:51:04) Zhorala: The theft was also fully reported IC. We IC gathered a list of items and a list of keyholders and worked from there.
(20:51:11) Kerel: and ?
(20:51:22) Magitex: therefore not a real life form to give proof to others
(20:51:24) Mishka: Gardr is a part of the game and thus an IC proof.
(20:51:37) Kerel: for sure he is
(20:51:40) Zhorala: As far as the game is concerned, Gadr as as real as any player character.
(20:51:44) Mishka: Kra is not an OOC entity, but an IC one. And way more IC than you.
(20:51:47) Zhorala: Gardr*
(20:52:09) Magitex: if you can proove that NPC can talk to me like a real player can with his own mind, ill allow it
(20:52:14) Magitex: which is not possible
(20:52:18) Mishka: It is possible.
(20:52:31) Magitex: exactly, so NPC is not proof
(20:52:33) Mishka: And Harnquist has given me quests like that in small events.
(20:52:36) Kerel: everything is possible
(20:52:51) Magitex: only players can witness soemthing and state proof
(20:52:54) Asmo: NPC conversations are available tools for RPs.
(20:52:56) Magitex: in game
(20:52:58) Kerel: we asked him to come tomorrow
(20:53:09) Asmo: GMs can interact as NPCs
(20:53:25) Zhorala: We'll have him come and pay a visit to confirm your identiy sometime, okay Magitex? Will that be acceptable then?
(20:53:26) Magitex: (NPC is not coded to talk about what Magitex sells every time i see him)
(20:53:33) Mishka: Exactly, thanks to the /impersonate command. Don't try to outsmart the GMs and the seasoned players, Magitex.
(20:53:33) Asmo: Thus if the NPC knows something, a GM can rp the npc.
(20:53:59) Magitex: RP ing agaisnt the will of NPC is not proof
(20:54:13) Zhorala: But I thought you just said NPC has no will...?
(20:54:14) Magitex: thats mutiny
(20:54:18) Magitex: against me
(20:54:18) Mishka: Now I'm sure this has gone full pants-on-head retarded.
(20:54:22) Tuon: are you really arguing with the gms about the mechanics of the game?
(20:54:24) Fyodor: haha it really has
(20:54:32) Mishka: What Tuon asked.
(20:54:34) Asmo: We have to work for you to mutinize...
(20:54:36) Tharkas: are you really trying to reason with him? XD
(20:54:37) Magitex: im innocent in game chracter mode
(20:54:39) Zhorala: Yes Tuon, he is
(20:54:41) Magitex: im innocent in game chracter mode
(20:55:06) Venalan: Magitex if you'd like I'll ban you for a few months in place of all this IC stuff?
(20:55:16) Mishka: No, you're not innocent and believe me that if I were a GM I'd be asking for you to get banned for a year.
(20:55:25) Mishka: Like Venalan just suggested.
(20:55:29) Zhorala smiles to Venalan.
(20:55:37) Anyastaysia: and heres venelan
(20:56:03) Magitex: and this is why games fail in todays world........GM's abuse thier powers and do not honor nRP in game style
(20:56:11) Zhorala: You have your options Magitex.
(20:56:11) Magitex: they use everything against the player
(20:56:24) Magitex: you either dont use cheat tools or you do
(20:56:28) Fyodor: if you break a rule ooc why should they only follow ic proof?
(20:56:30) Waesed: cops do that all the time :-)
(20:56:32) Mishka: Oh, be sure that if the GMs didn't do anything we, the players, would be making your life impossible after we found out.
(20:56:43) Magitex: if you do, then IC mode should not exsist
(20:56:58) Anyastaysia bashes her head against a wall
(20:57:05) Mishka: The GMs are there to make sure people like you don't grief the other players. Then again, if you don't like the game...
(20:57:09) Mishka: Feel free to leave.
(20:57:15) Mishka points to the door.
(20:57:35) Magitex: griefing is lack of responsibility of the player being dumb and not being careful
(20:57:41) Tharkas: doing something against a large player colective, then complain everyone's against him
(20:57:42) Tharkas: classy
(20:57:45) Magitex: lack of careful planning, timing and decision making
(20:57:59) Mishka: Want me to read a list of charges against your person?
(20:58:10) Magitex: sure, innocent, innocent, innocent
(20:58:13) Kaerli: you really don't know how to be a griefer anyway Magitex, and your whining just makes it worse.
(20:58:15) Magitex: THE END
(20:58:26) Mishka: Griefing, godmodding, berating GMs, berating players, OOC chatter in Main...
(20:58:29) Magitex: whiner? I have never whined
(20:58:42) Mishka: That's grounds for a lifetime ban.
(20:58:44) Magitex: no such charges
(20:58:46) Fyodor: you've actually really just admitted to everything anyway, why are you still tryna say you didn't do anything
(20:59:18) Magitex: because i want the in game chracters in IC mode to take a lose and not get GMs invloved OOC
(20:59:20) Anyastaysia thinks she should just lop his head off
(20:59:31) Magitex: thats griving
(20:59:31) Mishka thinks he should just get banned.
(20:59:49) Mishka: Since he doesn't come to reason, seemingly.
(20:59:52) Magitex: banning me for playing IC is allowed
(21:00:02) Magitex: is not allowed
(21:00:07) Waesed: fly him into the crystal!
(21:00:18) Mishka: No, but for grieving OOCly is, which is what you did. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we'll forgive you.
(21:00:20) Magitex: I played IC so i did nothing wrong
(21:00:43) Mishka: Now we may be bashing on you, but if you admit to doing wrong, and apologize for it, we can be forgiving.
(21:00:46) Asmo: So IC is magitex a criminal?
(21:00:50) Magitex: I want my tria back and ill explain the whole process
(21:00:56) Magitex: to help the DEVS code better
(21:01:11) Tharkas: our hero
(21:01:16) Zhorala: There is really nothing for you to explain.
(21:01:24) Magitex: thats fair since now everyone is hung up on OOC
(21:01:32) Wrenn: For the record, I was careful with my belongings. I locled them in the guildhouse, where I assumed they would be safe, never dreaming that a guildmate would steal from his guild!
(21:01:33) Magitex: which is not RPing
(21:01:53) Gardr: hello
(21:01:56) Asmo: Would the Magitex character act as a criminal?
(21:01:59) Zhorala: Oh, look who's here.
(21:02:00) Mishka:
(21:02:08) Magitex: I never stole anyone from guild because no one from guild has ever accused me of stealing nor seen me do anything wrong
(21:02:10) Zhorala: Hi Gardr. I'm glad you could join us.
(21:02:20) Tharkas: interest caught
(21:02:31) Magitex: GARDR is now in GM MODE
(21:02:36) Magitex: this is treason
(21:02:41) Anyastaysia shakes her head in dibelief at gargr being in channel
(21:02:44) Mishka: As I said: Feel free to leave.
(21:02:46) Fyodor: treason?
(21:02:50) Fyodor: explain?
(21:02:51) Asmo: Treason??
(21:02:55) Kaerli: lol, this is awesome with Gardr in the channel
(21:03:01) Asmo: wow....
(21:03:05) Magitex: GM mode against the will of NPC is cheating
(21:03:07) Kaerli: I should put these logs up for a special Ragequit Theatre
(21:03:07) Tuon: treason? Gardr is not exactly committing a crime against the dome
(21:03:19) Fyodor: against the will of an NPC
(21:03:24) Fyodor: cheating?
(21:03:24) Rykia: Good morning Gardr. Shouldn't you be asleep this time of night?
(21:03:31) Magitex: NPC is being forced to lie against innocent IC chracter
(21:03:42) Fyodor: lie?
(21:03:48) Magitex: yes lie
(21:03:52) Magitex: so please dont do it
(21:03:56) Asmo: OOCly did you take the stuff?
(21:03:56) Tuon: NPC's have will? they are programed constructs, their will is the will of the puppet master
(21:04:17) Mishka: Look, dude. I write quests.
(21:04:20) Magitex: ill tell you 100% the truth if i get to continue playing my chracter with my tria in full
(21:04:30) Magitex: ill even give you a tour
(21:04:31) Mishka: If I want Gardr to say you're guilty, I'll write a quest for him to do so.
(21:04:48) Asmo: if you did, then the npc would know if you sold it to them.
(21:04:54) Fyodor: is there a record of what players sell to npcs?
(21:04:59) Mishka: Yes
(21:04:59) Magitex: NPCs are not real
(21:05:06) Magitex: get that through your thick haead
(21:05:17) Anyastaysia growls
(21:05:22) Asmo: No, but for the purpose of RPing there is no such thing as a person that isn't real.
(21:05:27) Magitex: im just being honest and truew
(21:05:30) Anyastaysia: npc's exist in game and are therefor in game characters
(21:05:40) Fyodor: if there is a record of what a player sold to an npc, then it wouldn't be cheating or anything else for a GM to use an npc to report what a player had sold to them
(21:05:46) Fyodor: it wouldn't be lying or ooc
(21:05:48) Magitex: NPCs are only IC if they can speak freely like me or you
(21:05:52) Asmo: Do you walk up to people on the street and tell them you're not real?
(21:05:54) Magitex: without GM modding
(21:05:56) Melada: I think Magitex isn't real.. he isn't believable
(21:05:56) Rykia: So you were trusted with a key to the RCD Magitex? I popped in after all this chat was already started.
(21:05:57) Anyastaysia: as long as they stay in personality while being played by a gm its fine
(21:06:21) Mishka: He stole Wrenn's.
(21:06:31) Asmo: exactly Anya, Gardr is an npc on good standing with the guards.
(21:06:34) Wrenn: Yes, he did!
(21:06:36) Magitex: ill tell you 100% truth if i can be unjailed, given back my tria dn allowed to explain myself for better coding
(21:06:54) Tuon: hwo do you steel a key?
(21:20:02) Tharkas: making demands and all
(21:20:03) Magitex: its amazing isnt it
(21:20:03) Tuon: steal
(21:20:05) Fyodor: ...you'll admit to cheating on the condition that you not be punished for it
(21:20:06) Tharkas: my mind is honestly blown XD
(21:20:25) Magitex: no punishment and back to normal status and ill explain in full
(21:20:41) Fyodor: why would anyone agree to taht
(21:20:48) Mishka: I'm so used to dealing with brainless 13 years old on internet forums this is normal to me.
(21:20:52) Asmo: That part I haven't figured out yet, as I wouldn't have set the key down.
(21:20:57) Magitex: because i foolwed IC mode playability
(21:21:13) Magitex: and did not cheat or steal according to 0 witnesses
(21:21:25) Kaerli: this is brainless. :p
(21:21:34) Rykia: Braineless... seeing a key and using it? It's a pity that opportunity presented itself in the first place
(21:21:39) Mishka dusts the RCD and finds Magitex's shoeprints.
(21:21:52) Magitex: It would be best if guild accepts its defeat
(21:21:57) Mishka dusts the counter and finds Magitex's fingeprints.
(21:22:04) Magitex: and stop punishing smart players IC mode
(21:22:13) Asmo: That's as much as admitting.
(21:22:19) Fyodor: really is
(21:22:37) Magitex: until i say word for word I stole something: I am innocent
(21:22:50) Tuon: I feel like we're arguing with an autistic kid
(21:22:50) Fyodor: according to the rules you just made up?
(21:10:00) Anyastaysia: it doesn't even matter if he is banned, as all players that know about this now dislike him and will make life difficult
(21:10:17) Asmo: ICly I can't though.
(21:10:18) Magitex: no IC mode witnesses, no stealing
(21:10:24) Magitex: simple as that
(21:10:24) Mishka: Can someone unlock the jail door or t-port us in?
(21:10:31) Fyodor: according to the rule you just made up.
(21:10:40) Mishka: Mishka, Jerada, Waesed, Xola and Gardr.
(21:10:44) Magitex: thats normal procedure
(21:10:55) Fyodor: no it isn't
(21:11:01) Magitex: IC mode is not 100% full proof
(21:11:10) Fyodor: that's why we have GMs
(21:11:11) Magitex: until coded better
(21:11:28) Magitex: GMs are there to also follow IC mode and be fair to ALL
(21:11:35) Magitex: this is not the case
(21:11:46) Magitex: and here i am sitting in jail
(21:11:47) Fyodor: they're hardly being fair if they let you off the hook for cheating, that's true, I don't think they're being fair
(21:11:53) Magitex: innocent man IC mode
(21:11:54) Fyodor: you should be banned, tbh
(21:11:58) Tuon: how many alts do you have in other guilds?
(21:12:27) Magitex: I speak on behalf on IC mode Magitex
(21:12:42) Magitex: and he is innocent
(21:12:44) Tuon: gossip isn't IC
(21:12:48) Magitex: 0 witnesses
(21:13:00) Gardr: are you talking about fairness Magitex, was it fair to steal and sell good that some were collecting for age ?
(21:13:21) Magitex: GARDR = GM mode = NULL AND VOID
(21:13:42) Anyastaysia disagrees with Magitex
(21:13:42) Magitex: IC Magitex cannot answer to a NPC agaisnt free will
(21:13:45) Fyodor: we've explained why Gardr controlled by a GM istotally valid
(21:14:03) Fyodor: an NPC controlled by an NPC is still 100% valid ic
(21:14:12) Anyastaysia: for events npc's become active.. it is normal
(21:14:14) Magitex: not vailid, its called manipulation against IC mode Magitex s innocence
(21:14:26) Fyodor: you're the only one calling it taht
(21:14:32) Fyodor: and like, you're wrong, so
(21:14:42) Magitex: facts are facts, IC mode i am innocent
(21:14:49) Anyastaysia: nobody else agrees with you, Magitex
(21:14:55) Magitex: take a lose and accept you are wrong
(21:14:57) Mishka: Yep, pretty much nobody does.
(21:15:01) Mishka: LOL no
(21:15:09) Mishka: You know what, I'll say what everyone is thinking.
(21:15:16) Mishka: Even if I risk being told off.
(21:15:20) Magitex: I played my IC mode role very well and kept to myself
(21:15:23) Mishka: You. Big. Noob.
(21:15:28) Magitex: this is normal game play
(21:15:57) Magitex: i have a proposal
(21:16:01) Melada: never seen normal game play with you around, Magitex
(21:16:06) Mishka: Me neither.
(21:16:08) Anyastaysia: i'm a noob and i understand that he is being unreasonable
(21:17:04) Magitex: GM gives back my tira in full, learns from this whole odeal, can block me from entering Hydlaa for a year real time and we all are happy, im willing to go with this
(21:17:09) Wrenn: For the love of Talad, I didn;t just set my key down, I locked it in the guildhouse.
(21:17:34) Potare: lol
(21:17:37) Asmo: Ouch, alright.
(21:17:52) Magitex: IC chracters will learn to be better players and next time learn to catch the criminal and not point fingers without proof
(21:18:00) Asmo makes a note not to do that with the only key he has...
(21:18:02) Tuon: why would you lock a key in a guild house?
(21:18:25) Asmo: Because it should be safe in there.
(21:18:34) Magitex: IC mode Magitex is innocent and should now be released
(21:18:39) Tuon: 8 million isn't really that much if you can craft
(21:18:44) Mishka always carries her key with herself...
(21:18:55) Tuon: i leave mine in storage
(21:19:04) Fyodor: I'm not in a guild so
(21:19:05) Melada: sometimes you need to drop a key if you want to transfer it to an alt
(21:19:07) Fyodor shrugs
(21:19:08) Magitex: guild key is the responbsibility of the player who owns it
(21:19:15) Asmo: Trie making that much as an alchemist Tuon...
(21:19:19) Magitex: no one is to blame but the owner
(21:19:30) Asmo: try*
(21:19:31) Magitex: same goes for all things
(21:19:33) Mishka: But Wrenn here demonstrated being careless, but also trusting of her own guildmates. I can't blame her for the second statement.
(21:20:33) Magitex: Being careless is not anyone fault but the person who was careless
(21:20:54) Magitex: I treat all equally on this point
(21:20:55) Asmo: Yes, but you took advantage of that carelessness.
(21:21:14) Magitex: thats backwards talk, not valid
(21:21:31) Mishka: Your point is not valid whatsoever.
(21:21:33) Magitex: I played IC mode fairly and carefully
(21:21:34) Kaerli: there's also an environmental factor here
(21:21:37) Mishka: Nobody here takes you seriously anymore.
(21:21:40) Magitex: I played IC mode fairly and carefully
(21:21:49) Asmo: So... if I stole a million tria from you OOCly Magitex...
(21:21:54) Anyastaysia: i'll play ic and chop your head off
(21:22:08) Asmo: No hard feelings?
(21:22:13) Magitex: if you stole 1 million tria OOC with hacking or GM tools thats cheating
(21:22:27) Asmo: Not with hacking or GM tools.
(21:22:39) Magitex: but if your chracter is running around and knows how to take soemthing without being seen, thats a skill
(21:22:41) Asmo: But simply OOCly.
(21:22:58) Magitex: its called being invinsible
(21:23:10) Fyodor: invinsible really
(21:23:11) Asmo: I can't be invisible.
(21:23:14) Magitex: or in this game soon to be future HIDING
(21:23:24) Magitex: HIDING will be very valuable
(21:23:35) Magitex: imagine the stealing
(21:23:36) Asmo: However, I can be cunning.
(21:23:36) Wrenn: Look, buddy, I wasn't careless. IRL, I've been dealing with a heel bone shattered in 10 pieces and finally getting to return to work after 12 weeks. That was two weeks ago, when I stored all of my best pieces in the GH for safekeeping. Jokes on me. Lesson learned. Trust no one.
(21:23:40) Magitex: IC mode this is ok
(21:23:42) Tuon: a bit late, i'm only half following this conversation, asmo well if you pick making something that isn't in high demand.... you're not going to make much $$$
(21:24:15) Magitex: I found a key and someone was careless
(21:24:19) Chays: I see there's been no lack of drama while I've been gone. Never change, PS <3
(21:24:21) Magitex: OOC mode
(21:24:30) Fyodor: so you're admitting it straight up now
(21:24:35) Magitex: OOC yes
(21:24:45) Magitex: but this is not proof
(21:24:53) Magitex: nor a crime
(21:24:56) Llyr: I don't really know the full context of this convo (not really my business) but I'd kind of have to think ICly they'd have the same provision pretty much every legal system has, where someone else being careless with their property doesn't exactly make it not theft to take it.
(21:24:58) Anyastaysia: not gonna change how you are treated in game
(21:25:24) Magitex: stealing means to be seen by another to take it by force and never return it
(21:25:33) Fyodor: seen or caught
(21:25:40) Magitex: seen or caught i agree
(21:25:43) Fyodor: in this case with the testemony of Gardr
(21:25:44) Magitex: which i was not
(21:25:58) Fyodor: which is fully valid
(21:25:59) Magitex: Gardr is not a real IC player
(21:26:02) Magitex: not valid
(21:26:02) Asmo: You sold it to the wrong person.
(21:26:04) Fyodor: that doesn't matter
(21:26:11) Magitex: it matters
(21:26:21) Asmo: I'll remember that, store clerks aren't people...
(21:26:25) Fyodor: there are NPCs where it would have been OOC for them to report to the guards
(21:26:27) Magitex: exactly
(21:26:33) Mishka: So we can kill them GTA style?
(21:26:33) Fyodor: but Gardr isn't one of them
(21:26:38) Magitex: exactly
(21:26:50) Wrenn: Robbery is theft by force. Know your trade.
(21:26:52) Magitex: Gardr is a lonely NPC that one rarely visitis
(21:26:56) Fyodor: so for Gardr to stand witness isn't ooc
(21:26:58) Kaerli: lol
(21:27:08) Kaerli: you got busted by your fence. dealwidit.
(21:27:14) Magitex: its quite simple a case
(21:27:22) Mishka: I visit kra at least once a week.
(21:27:25) Asmo: Kisatol is a better fence.
(21:27:32) Magitex: soemthing went missing, no witnesses, no criminal case
(21:27:37) Wrenn: I'd like for someone to explain to me how locking your things in a GH is careless. Please.
(21:27:38) Asmo: Though he doesn't buy much.
(21:27:58) Magitex: IC mode
(21:28:03) Fyodor: Gardr as witness
(21:28:13) Fyodor: who we've already determined is a valid witness
(21:28:14) Magitex: Gardr is not a real IC player
(21:28:16) Magitex: not valid
(21:28:29) Fyodor: as I said, we've already determined Gardr is a valid witness
(21:28:35) Fyodor: so it's a pretty clean case
(21:28:36) Llyr: Being in possession (and then selling) stolen items is absolutely illegal :p
(21:28:45) Magitex: you cant change the facts, facts are facts
(21:28:48) Fyodor: stuff does missing, you have the stuff, closed case
(21:29:20) Fyodor: you can't change facts either?
(21:29:21) Magitex: if caught with stolen items, not even after selling then, then you have a case
(21:29:31) Magitex: zero witnesses
(21:29:39) Tuon: if a fence turns you in...
(21:29:41) Magitex: zero real IC witnesses
(21:29:53) Magitex: be fair
(21:30:03) Fyodor: right, well we've already determined that we've got a valid IC witness so to be fair, the case is pretty solid
(21:30:25) Magitex: no real IC witnesses, because i was never caught stealing
(21:30:38) Tuon: you were caught stolen goods
(21:30:42) Fyodor: witnessed with stolen goods
(21:30:51) Magitex: OOC mode is not legit
(21:31:03) Fyodor: we've been over this, repeatedly
(21:31:04) Anyastaysia tears at her fur
(21:31:07) Magitex: evidence MUST BE IC MODE ONLY
(21:31:11) Asmo: There was a list given to the guards of what was stolen.
(21:31:17) Fyodor: if there's a record of what a player has sold to an npc
(21:31:20) Asmo: The guards asked around.
(21:31:30) Chays: I really wish PS had a buyback feature
(21:31:37) Mishka: Like in WoW
(21:31:40) Asmo: when enough items turned up from said list, being sold by the same person.
(21:31:48) Magitex: also, unless you have actually taken the items off chracter, which you did not, then nothing is traceable
(21:31:50) Darryel: He's not going to change his mind, leave him be and let the GM solve this, he has the logs of the NPC
(21:31:52) Fyodor: and a gm plays that npc, they can play the npc with that knowledge and it is completely ic knowledge
(21:31:55) Magitex: IC mode
(21:31:56) Fyodor: because the npc would know it
(21:32:28) Anyastaysia: we may as well be talking to a brick wall right about npw
(21:32:28) Rykia: Great advice Darryel
(21:32:31) Anyastaysia: now*
(21:32:33) Mishka: What do you know of IC and OOC mode, when you call everyone by their names when you haven't met them, and have the worst, THE WORST description I've ever seen!
(21:32:39) Magitex: once items are convereted to tria IC mode, and no one witnessed it, thats not stealing anymore nor traceable since items no longer exist
(21:32:56) Mishka: You're a very lousy troll, a stupid kid, a numbnuts, or all at the same time.
(21:32:58) Magitex: fair is fair
(21:32:59) Llyr: You can't buy comedy like this conversation.
(21:33:09) Asmo: That is using an OOC concept for IC convenience.
(21:33:12) Magitex: im smart and mishka cant accept i play IC mode very well
(21:33:16) Anyastaysia: yes, Asmo
(21:33:18) Fyodor: haha
(21:33:31) Mishka: Ooookay so /ignore it is.
(21:33:44) Mishka: Strange, I had him on my ignore list... wonder why he isn't.
(21:33:47) Magitex: with enough time any real IC chracter can think of creative ways to play fiarly and get away with it
(21:33:48) Darryel: Stop feeding the troll lol, use the ignore as Mishka says
(21:33:55) Asmo: You have to realise, ICly it's the same as if you were there. Nothing just disappears.
(21:33:58) Wrenn: Headed to bed. Rot in hell, Magitex.
(21:34:24) Magitex: Thanks Wrenn. I hope you regret saying that, since Im IC mode innocent
(21:34:32) Magitex: i was never mean to you
(21:34:43) Anyastaysia: ooc mean is still mean
(21:34:59) Magitex: i was never mean to Wrenn OOC either
(21:35:09) Magitex: so once agin im innocent
(21:35:10) Anyastaysia: stealing her stuff
(21:35:30) Magitex: If you can witness me stealing ill ban myself
(21:35:39) Magitex: honor system
(21:35:58) Anyastaysia: you motherfin admited to stealin her stuff.. ooc that is mean
(21:36:16) Magitex: If any IC chracter can witness me stealing IC mode then ill BAN myself
(21:36:25) Magitex: never come back
(21:36:35) Tuon: Not sure many will want to play with you anyways
(21:36:36) Magitex: but until then i am innocent and played IC MODE FAIRLY
(21:37:17) Magitex: i did not hack or abuse the game IC mode
(21:37:23) Anyastaysia: so you want us to let you out so you can try to steal from us
(21:37:26) Anyastaysia: why would we do that
(21:37:36) Anyastaysia: at risk of having our stuff taken
(21:37:45) Magitex: Please kindly have me released now, kind sirs and ladies and ill be on my way to claim my stolen OOC tria
(21:37:58) Tharkas: dude, what
(21:38:04) Mishka: Anyastaysia, /ignore
(21:38:10) Mishka: Tharkas, /ignore
(21:38:13) Tuon: that's my next steup
(21:38:28) Magitex: if you are not capable of protecting your IC guild then do not have a guild
(21:38:28) Mishka: What are you waiting for, Tuon
(21:38:33) Evirea: Lulz, PS trawlin'.
(21:38:35) Evirea: I remember it.
(21:38:36) Anyastaysia would so much rather kill him
(21:38:36) Magitex: simple as that
(21:38:46) Tharkas: not really, reading his so called "logic" is quite the trip
(21:38:56) Magitex: take only responsibily of ownership for what you keep track of and no more
(21:39:16) Magitex: this is logical and common sense
(21:39:16) Chays: Magitex is in IC jail for OOC theft? Is what I'm inferring here right?
(21:39:22) Fyodor: yep
(21:39:31) Mishka: Chays, I'm very surprised he's not banned yet.
(21:39:34) Magitex: no
(21:39:44) Kaerli: Tharkas: it is quite the trip
(21:39:46) Magitex: im not banned because i played fairly IC MODE
(21:39:57) Magitex: i am not looking for trouble
(21:40:03) Magitex: i just play IC MODE naturally
(21:40:05) Hemmel: There is no "IC mode"
(21:40:25) Evirea: It's like the human torch or something.
(21:40:27) Evirea: ROLE PLAY ON!
(21:40:29) Evirea: FWOOSH!
(21:40:29) Tuon: Magitex stole from a couple guild houses, one of them being his own
(21:40:32) Magitex: if my chracter can do it naturally IC MODE in the game then he is innocent
(21:40:49) Hemmel: That was an illogical statement.
(21:40:51) Fyodor: keep thinking I ought to join a guild, rethinking that
(21:40:54) Chays: Yeeeeeah, I think a ban and forcible return of stolen goods is in order here
(21:40:57) Magitex: unless there is a witness and can immediately show the GM the proof
(21:41:08) Chays: But I can't be arsed to join the GMs.
(21:41:13) Magitex: weeks later is also not legit to show proof that is OOC
(21:41:46) Tuon: he complains that the gm's used the log system to see that he sold items from the guild houses to an NPC
(21:42:01) Hemmel: Why is that a problem?
(21:42:18) Asmo: an npc that is on good standing with the guards.
(21:42:21) Kaerli: besides Chays: he's an idiot compared to the people who *actually know griefing*
(21:42:26) Tuon: and he claims that isn't considered to be IC because the NPC's aren't player characters
(21:42:27) Fyodor: he's got a problem with it because he was caught
(21:42:33) Evirea: Kaerli speaks from experience?
(21:42:35) Evirea KIDS!
(21:42:38) Evirea ducks
(21:42:53) Hemmel: Why is it a problem that the GMs can see the logs, Magitex?
(21:43:13) Mishka: Because they'll know he was doing naaaaaaaughty things
(21:43:18) Tuon: he's been acting like an autistic 12 year old
(21:43:24) Kerel: he is sleeping
(21:43:27) Mishka: Maybe he is
(21:43:36) Fyodor: can we not with the autism tho
(21:43:38) Kaerli: LOL: Evirea: I play Eve
so I know griefing
(21:43:43) Mishka: Sorry Fyodor
(21:43:48) Hemmel: I'm with Fyodor.
(21:43:59) Mishka: People tend to take these matters lightly when they get heated. I apologize.
(21:44:19) Chays: NPCs are IC. They are members of the IC world and should be acknowledged as such.
(21:44:19) Mishka: I play Minecraft. *I* know griefing!
(21:44:34) Chays: I play Second Life. Griefing knows me.
(21:51:01) Mishka: But guys
(21:51:35) Mishka: Imagine if the RCD hadn't had its items locked in place.
(21:51:38) Mishka: *shudder*
(21:52:09) Darryel: Free bar?
(21:52:33) Mishka: Har har
(21:52:38) Waesed: He took everything that wasn't nailed down.
(21:52:45) Mishka: Dang.
(21:59:13) Anyastaysia: jail
(21:59:14) Rykia: Rumor has it in the Octarch jail
(22:00:04) Darryel: It's a hidden place?
(22:00:17) Rykia: A locked place too.
(22:00:54) Darryel: What a shame
(22:02:19) Rykia: of course a guard simply might forget to lock the door...
(22:02:38) Anyastaysia: i hope so
