A few Questions

[Eonwind]

So I chose the Dark Way (being an aspiring Onieromancer and all, it seemed natural) ...

Greetings and welcome! 

My suggestion if you want to be an oneiromancer is becoming an Azure Way adept. Azure way deals with the mind and its power more than dark way (and doesn't require the same first hand knowledge with Dakkru's realm ), but feel free to study whatever suit you most 

[Quiiliitiila]

So I chose the Dark Way (being an aspiring Onieromancer and all, it seemed natural) ...

Greetings and welcome! 

My suggestion if you want to be an oneiromancer is becoming an Azure Way adept. Azure way deals with the mind and its power more than dark way (and doesn't require the same first hand knowledge with Dakkru's realm ), but feel free to study whatever suit you most 

I was thinking nightmares and horror when I originally came up with the idea to be an Onieromancer. Which was why I chose Dark instead of Azure. However, I think my character concept'll be changing to more of a sciency necromancer. So Dark way works just fine!

I JUST figured out how to get out of Dakkru's realm this morning. Only took me like 2 hours Now I'm overburdened in the plaza like a fish outta water. But I'm cool 

[Quiiliitiila]

I would like to point out another thing that came up while I was playing through the first Dark Way quest. The Dark Way requires you spend time in Dakkru's realm, often having to go there (at least for the beginning quests) more than once to speak with people and complete or advance quests.

My opinion is that that places a fairly significant disadvantage on Dark Way users (at least the beginning ones) because of the death penalty that is imposed. Having to wait 30 minutes before adventuring or even moving (in my case) can be a bummer and frustrating, especially if you have to do it again because of your questline.

My suggestion, unless it's already a thing I don't know about, would be to make Dark Way adepts resistant to Dakkru's curse? Perhaps negating some of the penalty? Or perhaps making it so when your character ritually kills themselves to go report in (I.E. /die) there is no penalty associated with it?

I don't know, it seems like it'd make being a Dark Way novice a bit easier. I'm sure at higher levels the curse isn't THAT bad, but at my level it is killer.

-Q

[bilbous]

There are a couple of things you can do to avoid having to sit too long. The Death Guardian, the Grendol looking thing at the dead end end of the catwalk before you climb the second spiral ramp will buy many things, so if you died unexpectedly you can unburden yourself before leaving the realm. If you find you are still overweight after returning to Hydlaa you can drop enough stuff to be able to walk then dump some into storage then go back for what you left. Harnquist does storage. You can also ask for a strength spell, either in the gossip channel or through role play, /shout will be heard if there is someone working in the smithy and they are not too focused on their work. If you are going to the Death Realm intentionally, make sure you are not carrying more than your encumbrance rating.

[Quiiliitiila]

There are a couple of things you can do to avoid having to sit too long. The Death Guardian, the Grendol looking thing at the dead end end of the catwalk before you climb the second spiral ramp will buy many things, so if you died unexpectedly you can unburden yourself before leaving the realm. If you find you are still overweight after returning to Hydlaa you can drop enough stuff to be able to walk then dump some into storage then go back for what you left. Harnquist does storage. You can also ask for a strength spell, either in the gossip channel or through role play, /shout will be heard if there is someone working in the smithy and they are not too focused on their work. If you are going to the Death Realm intentionally, make sure you are not carrying more than your encumbrance rating.

Yeah, I figured there were quite a few ways to mitigate the penalty. However, from what I understand (I could be wrong though, please correct me if I am) many if not all Dark Way users are servitors of Dakkru and at least for the beginning quests that I've started, Dark Way quests are serving her in some way.

If this is true, wouldn't it stand to reason that Dakkru wouldn't curse her own servants and disciples when they came to her realm willingly? From a RP standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for her to be cursing the people working for her.

I suppose from a game development standpoint, it may be difficult to implement a system changing this in some way, so I see the problem.

-Q

[Eonwind]

Yeah, I figured there were quite a few ways to mitigate the penalty. However, from what I understand (I could be wrong though, please correct me if I am) many if not all Dark Way users are servitors of Dakkru and at least for the beginning quests that I've started, Dark Way quests are serving her in some way.

Technically DW practitioners are not required to worship Dakkru even if some of the trainers are her worshippers.

If this is true, wouldn't it stand to reason that Dakkru wouldn't curse her own servants and disciples when they came to her realm willingly? From a RP standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for her to be cursing the people working for her.

Never ever question the reasons of a god not even from a RP point of view
On the other side a Dakkru worshipper (from a RP point of view) may feel honoured to have the curse upon him feeling it as a direct connection with her divine touch.

From a OOC point of view much of bilbous' suggestions are very useful, and you can train DW even outside the DR, however if I remember when I was training my DW quite some time ago I felt like having to train in the DR was something special that made it feel cool (and back than it was really necessary to stay in the DR because in order to raise the skill it was necessary to go to the trainers each time).

[Quiiliitiila]

Technically DW practitioners are not required to worship Dakkru even if some of the trainers are her worshippers.

I got the distinct impression that once you join the DW circle you're working for Dakkru? Oriven even sends your "contact" to his "Dark Mistress" telling you something along the lines of "there is no turning back now".

I know not ALL Dark Way users need to worship Dakkru, but (again from what I've experienced in the dialogue) the Circle members all report to Dakkru the boss lady.

If this is true, wouldn't it stand to reason that Dakkru wouldn't curse her own servants and disciples when they came to her realm willingly? From a RP standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for her to be cursing the people working for her.

Never ever question the reasons of a god not even from a RP point of view
On the other side a Dakkru worshipper (from a RP point of view) may feel honoured to have the curse upon him feeling it as a direct connection with her divine touch.

From a OOC point of view much of bilbous' suggestions are very useful, and you can train DW even outside the DR, however if I remember when I was training my DW quite some time ago I felt like having to train in the DR was something special that made it feel cool (and back than it was really necessary to stay in the DR because in order to raise the skill it was necessary to go to the trainers each time).

Good point, God's shouldn't be questioned (or should they? ).

[Aramara Meibi]

/die is boring. driving someone else to the point of killing you is a lot more fun, and worth more Dakkru points.

If you have a problem with the 'curse', I feel Icerra should teach your character a lesson or two about the importance of detachment and sacrifice in devotional service. Too bad she's merely the shadow of a whisper adrift somewhere in the endless void which is the DR.

[Quiiliitiila]

Instead of posting a new topic every time I have another question, I'll just keep asking here. I hope no one minds.

I'm quite befuddled at the moment with how training works in regards to PPs and stats vs. skills. I have a seemingly large amount of PPs lying around and I'd like to train up some of my skills. However, whenever I try and spend some it tells me I cannot train that skill anymore. It doesn't matter what skill I try and train.

I get further with trying to spend PPs on stats, but it tells me I need to be "training" to increase the skill... 

So, my question is: How exactly do you train skills other than an endless grind? I've been doing quests and fighting baddies that I can actually handle (rats and the occasional rogue ) and I think I've leveled my DW up twice in three days. That's a pretty hefty grind.

Also, how does one increase stats? Can I fight a rat with my charaisma? Is my willpower something I can throw like a rock? 

Am I missing something fundamental? Or do I just need to buckle down and grind for the next few weeks to get my skills up so I can advance my quest line?

Thanks!
-Q

[bilbous]

As I said earlier training is automatic, the only thing you need pps for now is to increase your stats. To do that you find a trainer that trains the stat you wish to increase and give them money. They have an option in the context menu for train if they train any stat. They will charge you money and pps. If you look in the skills and stats window hot key p, you should see that some of your skills have already advanced, weapon and armor, if you have been fighting. The magic way if you have been casting, and factions (not terribly relevant yet) if you have only been doing quests.

[Quiiliitiila]

As I said earlier training is automatic, the only thing you need pps for now is to increase your stats. To do that you find a trainer that trains the stat you wish to increase and give them money. They have an option in the context menu for train if they train any stat. They will charge you money and pps. If you look in the skills and stats window hot key p, you should see that some of your skills have already advanced, weapon and armor, if you have been fighting. The magic way if you have been casting, and factions (not terribly relevant yet) if you have only been doing quests.

Was that you this morning? Thanks for the help, the session timed out or something before I could clarify a few things, rather than spam the help chat again, I figured I'd just post here. 

Are stats tied into skills? For example; if my charisma is to low, will it stop me from gaining levels in DW? Likewise, would a low endurance affect my body (health) skill?

Also, is it appropriate to ask where stat trainers are OOCly? How does one role play looking for a charisma trainer? "Hello, I'm looking for someone to teach me to have a stronger personality. Do you know anyone like that?"

Thanks for bearing with me!
-Q

[bilbous]

no. it was in another thread, I mentioned it. I thought it was to you but it apparently wasn't.
Stats are tied to skills but will only slow your progress not put a cap on them.
You can ask anything OOCly in Gossip as long as you do not reveal too much information. The reply you get may come in the whisper channel. So you could ask "who trains charisma?" in Gossip but not expect a reply in the same channel. You might get one in it but that would be someone revealing spoilers generally and they could get sanctioned. A better way to ask would be "Can anyone /tell me" the info I want. You might get an obfuscated response in gossip that hints at the information without being specific such as "try looking around the temple" but that is a grey area.

Really you are kind of expected to right click on npcs and clicking on their train option. If it comes up blank -- no stat listed -- keep them selected then type in the npc chat tab "about training" and they should tell you which stats they train. If you then type in "about training [specific stat]" they ought to tell you who leads up to their level of training and who follows up after they have finished training you.

[cdmoreland]

Why this isn't posted somewhere baffles me but you should check out www.planeshift.net and most of your questions will be answered.

[Rigwyn]

Unless the site has changed, that's considered a spoiler.

As a rule of thumb, you can find in-game books in areas relative to your character. For example, look in the magic shop for books on magic, etc...

There are more books that have yet to be written so you'll see more books on some subjects than on others.

As for dark way, that's a good choice for a character who wishes to use fear based tactics. Fortunately, there are good ic resources for dw.

With regard to magic vs religion, they are separate.
If you read the settings material on planeshift.it, you'll see that one god made glyphs for all the ways - rendering him unaligned with any particular way.

Rather than viewing gods as good or evil, I think its more useful to look at what each god promotes or stands for.

[cdmoreland]

Hard to think of it as a spoiler when it's a PS site.