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Thoss

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Re: Food for Thought: Tavern Brawls
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2016, 04:22:05 pm »
My thoughts, everything sounds reasonable aside from point four.

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Brawlers will also take care to check OOCly with surrounding/nearby RPers to make sure that their fight won't completely destroy someone else's RP.

Assuming all the other points are adhered to, this one seems to rip things too far OOC to me... destroying other patrons conversations, poems, converstations, first dates, etc is exactly what brawls do and I would expect that to piss off any characters affected by it.

I concur with the Brado remarks as being the place for a rough crowd.. but Kada's doesn't appear immune to the occasional... or somewhat frequent drunken interruptions... especially a "tavern" that has rooms for rent upstairs...

I think if characters hang at taverns and bars... they are  willingly entering the environment of alcohol and fist fights... if they want high-brow environments for fancy cocktails and dinner with entertainment... they need to go somewhere that doesn't have "bar" or "tavern" in the name...

Perhaps the Red Crystal Den... 'cept that please reek's of a mafia-esque environment to me... so somebody could get wacked there, but prop taken outback first while folks smoke their cigars and listen to some more jazz tunes.


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Re: Food for Thought: Tavern Brawls
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2016, 06:35:17 pm »
Well, one, a tavern or bar is not inherently given to coarse behavior. This is how you get upscale bars. Two, Kada's is the most central tavern due to everyone spawning in Hydlaa now. It would make sense for that that one have fewer disruptions so that people can get used to congregating again. I know people like to have an audience for their fights, but if the audience is run off by a lack of consideration that's peeing where one sleeps. The RP fights used to be bad though. People were trying to kill each other there constantly and that was rudely disruptive.

However, to shift focus slightly, I think RPers get a little too caught up in their own story sometimes. This is not about you in particular Thoss, but I think I need to put this out here now. If expectations of spontaneity get so restrictive that courtesy checks are somehow too much to ask, then something is very wrong. I wish I could light that last bit up and set it on fire to make sure you all see it.

Other people might be in the middle of working out an unexpected but important part of their character's story when someone has the idea to toss the whole tavern in an uproar. It's one thing if it's just a localized spat, but it's a different matter if one effectively godmods others into being indirectly involved.

If a would be brawler blows up someone else's RP then tosses out, "Well, this is a tavern so you should have expected something." It will not only be disruptive but it sounds amazingly rude and deliberately inconsiderate. Rude behaviors, a lack of respect, and a lack of courtesy already killed the community once. We don't need to test if it can do it again.

In the past, expecting people to go along with unspoken rules that no one could even agree on fell immensely flat. However, I've seen much healthier RP communities elswhere include a wider variety of styles than would be considered acceptable by PS standards. You know how they managed it? The healthy sections of it went out of their way to respect each other and check OOCly to make sure they weren't pushing each other around or stepping on toes needlessly. That's not to say it was perfect, and at times toes were stepped on anyway, but they weathered upheavals much better than PS' RP community did.

In PS' future, I think it would be better to focus on courtesy than having one's RP style way. People might keep more respect for each other and hatred between groups might be kept at a minimum. That may lead to fewer community rending RP style wars and not having every side of the fight leave in disgust at once like last time.

Look at the player count... PS doesn't have the luxury of not being accommodating anymore.