Get rid of native langues?

[Niber]

Often when I log in to the european server on MMORPG games (fast ping from sweden) 70% of the player are talking their native langues like Franch and Germany.. It is really a pain.

Will Planeshift have it like this too?
Is it possible to prevent this and if so will Planeshift lose alot of players?

Cuz there will be sevral Planeshift worlds in the diffrent servers, right?

[Xalthar]

I don\'t like people doing that either... but the french aren\'t exactly the best at english... the germans are waaaay better IMO...

But you can\'t just bounce them because of their lack of english... There are a lot of french out there

[tygerwilde]

it might be a pain to you man, but it\'s also a pain to them when they\'re on a server where english is the primary language, you can\'t restrict it to any given language, because these games are built on a global scale, heh, I ran into someone the other day on AC that was playing from africa, very polite guy too

if it peeves you so much, become multilingual, then you can understand everyone

[hook]

the language problem is something that\'s probably unsolvable ...but there was an idea that would make this problam a bit more appealing and nicer: that would be to call these languages with other names:
- Common instead of English, since most speak it
- Denerkt instead of German
- Lyseth instead of French
- Sylyan instead of Slovene
- Tilliana instead of Italian
- ...

read this thread

p.s. for now, i didn\'t see any problems with languages. there was some german, french and italian talk in PS, but nothing really serious

[Niber]

heyhey I\'m not talking about restricting french and german people,, there must be hundreds of solutions..
One would be to set up 2 servers for europe, 1 that you must speak english (or 1337 ) and one where you can speak whatever you want.

Maybe I sound too pissed about this \"little thing\".. But can you blame me? I had to wait 7 month before Dark ages of Camelot got realesed before the game got realeshed with a europeon version (translated in sevral langues, for some reason scandinava must use this version to log in) and when I finally bought it for expensive money I could play that shitty game for a week then I couln\'d take it no more that a couldn\'t communicate with the people since they were all French and german..
Nowadays you can often choose to play the US server (you couldnt do that in many games) but the ping suffers then..
I would really hate to have this problem later on in Planeshift,,

[tygerwilde]

man, you\'re making a big deal out of someone excersising their basic rights as humans, if they want speak in their own native language, or any language for that matter, why shouldn\'t they. If I wanted to speak in japanese, I would learn japanese, and speak it, but I wouldn\'t expect anyone to understand me, if you wanna speak english, you can speak it, but don\'t expect anyone to understand you.


tell me, how would you feel if someone came out and said, \"I don\'t like playing with a bunch of people speaking in english, lets make a server where anyone can speak any language, and one where you can\'t speak in english\"?

it\'s the same thing as what you are saying man, no different whatsoever

[Tok'ra]

What do you want? you want Planeshift to have a rule to MAKE  people talk English or something ? So much for freedom...  X(

btw  , not all french people are bad at english... this Guy  :]

[stegg]

I\'m really shocked about the intolerance you display towards non english speakers. I just have one thing to say : I live in a country most of you have and will never hear of, where _Everybody_ learns at least 4 to 5 languages because we highly depend. We do not display the complacency that is typical to big nations.
I don\'t want to flame, Niber, but I just want to make a point : I think you should blame your country\'s educational system instead of trying to impose english on most servers. Don\'t get me wrong, I love english as much as I love german or french, but I just think that all this diversity is or at least should be what we are looking for in MMORPG projects like Planeshift. Unfortunately it seems most of us dream of a fantasy world but with every comfort of modern life, without being ready to make the smallest compromises.. We are all overpampered!

Adapt! Isn\'t this the main aspect of all those games, or don\'t you wan\'t to meet new people with maybe different views....
Never forget : this is an open-source project with an openminded community, so be flexible.

[ParaSite]

Well, my personal opinion is that you do not belong anywhere near the internet if you don\'t have some basic knowledge about the English language. But I\'m sure it\'s hard for some ppl (ie lazy frenchmen)    Also my experiences are that a lot of Germans think the whole world can speak German, which is the language I hate most (after French )

[tygerwilde]

parasite, you might be a member, but you\'re also a troll. No, the internet is not JUST for those that speak english, it\'s for all people, that\'s why it\'s called the WORLDWIDE web. Anyone from anywhere can get on and get trade information IN ANY LANGUAGE. Man, you really need to grow up and realise that not everyone is exactly alike to you. Also, statements like \"lazy frenchmen\" are nationalistic and bigoted, any frenchmen is an equal to you, and in my opinion, you have just lowered yourself below any single one of them.

[ParaSite]

Actually, the smiley next to \'lazy frenchmen\' indicated it was more a joke then a serious statement, all I\'m saying is that everyone who has the ability to do so should try and learn English. On top of that, probably 80% of the www (exept for the chinese/japanese/etc part) is English, and it\'s kinda nice to be able to communicate to other web surfers. Don\'t feel so attacked.

[Djaggernaut]

I agree with Tyger.
You could totally invert the problem, now what if the \"needed language to be understable\" was french or german or whatever else?
Who would be \"lazy\"?
The smiley was a sad smiley! And everyone seems to believe in that. So please, don\'t speak like this, you remember me a dumb teen I\'ve met before.
Integrating variety of langage in RP is cool. So like in real life you\'ll perhaps needs someone to translate.
Could be a skill/guild to add in the RP system...

[ParaSite]

You could totally invert the problem, now what if the \"needed language to be understable\" was french or german or whatever else?

Well, then I would try to learn that language?

The smiley was a sad smiley!

Sad smilies don\'t exist imo :O

Integrating variety of langage in RP is cool. So like in real life you\'ll perhaps needs someone to translate.

Yea, would be nice, only you\'d need non-existent languages like elvish, or dwarven, else every one could translate if they know the language without them having ranks or skillpoints or whatever in it.

You guys are still getting me wrong, I don\'t say you aren\'t allowed to use your own language, I am just saying that ppl should learn English next to their own language(s). It\'s quite rude to talk in your own language when people are around who can\'t understand you.

[Djaggernaut]

hehe Para, you continue...

\"It\'s quite rude to talk in your own language when people are around who can\'t understand you.\"

Hehe, exactly what someone not speaking english could think when ppl around are speaking eng.

Yeah, for the skills it\'s right. I don\'t mean skills in fact, but just a job, and you could find some guild providing this kind of service (for money)

[ParaSite]

Hehe, exactly what someone not speaking english could think when ppl around are speaking eng.  

Well, english is not my own language But English is accepted as the common language on the internet