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AendarCallenlasse

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Peer to Peer Crackdown
« on: June 26, 2003, 12:52:50 am »
My father told me about this just now and I went and found an article on it.  It seems those money-grubbing millionares who don\'t like us sharing music are going to crackdown on us.  They are planning to trackdown individual persons and issue lawsuits for illegal activities.  There\'s an article here about it: http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-1020876.html?tag=fd_lede2_hed  

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2003, 02:59:55 am »
They are teh sux
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2003, 03:49:33 am »
I hate to say it guys, but I agree with them, to an extent, if you\'re sharing new music, stuff that\'s still on the market, it\'s wrong.

see, when you steal new music, you\'re taking money out of dozens of peoples pockets. the one I\'m more concerned about tho is the songwriter. some songwriters put in a lot of effort on their music, writing sometimes dozens of great songs, then in the end they only manage to sell one song in their lifetime. They are scraping by on the 100 dollars(if that) a month royalty check, which depends on the sales of the music. if a bunch of people are downloading that song, think of it this way

500 people download this song x 30c royalties per copy= 150 dollars, in some cities, that\'s a months rent that you\'re taking out of his pockets, and since this is done on a global scale, it\'s probably more like 5000 or 50000 people stealing his music rather than buying it

now older songs are a different story, some of them you can\'t even buy any more, my cousin, Sheb Woolly (search for ben colder, his stagename) wrote and performed \"purple people eater\" but god, if he\'s still making money off it, I\'ll bend over and give myself fellatio right here. therefore, it\'s ok to download it in my opinion, hell, you\'re not hurting anybody

heh, tho to be honest, I think like 90 percent of the winnings in a court case should go to the songwriters(the underappreciated minority)
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2003, 04:29:39 am »
Oh don\'t get me wrong, I understand they need the money.  But this isn\'t the artist that are doing this.  It\'s the record companies that are doing it.  I downloaded the new Metallica CD, with the intentions of still buying the CD because they are my favorite band.  Although that might not happen due to the fact that the CD is awful...  It\'s the big record companies that are doing the crackdowns.  I just hate that these guys that have enough money to buy a small country complain because some people happen to download a couple of free songs.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2003, 05:03:12 am »
it\'s the record companies that pay the royalties, if you download the cds, they can\'t report properly the number of copies of that cd have been produced,


I downloaded the new Metallica CD


in this case you were wrong, you downloaded the cd illegally, even if you did have the intent to buy it, and the fact that you changed your mind is good reason for producers not to want you to download it, you got to try the music for free before you changed your mind, after all the effort that the corporation put into producing that cd, they got nothing out of it

but lets not talk about that, think more on the money you\'re taking out of other peoples pockets, from the writer...

down to the factory workers, yes, money out of the corporations pockets also comes out of theirs, internet file swapping results in millions fewer cd\'s produced in a year, which means less money goes to them, it might not seem like much to you, but it is to them.

corporations know how to soak a loss, they pass it on to other people, so when you fail to purchase these cds, think not that you\'re \"sticking it to the man\" as they used to say, you\'re hurting the low and middle income worker, would you go to the back of a restaunt and purchase your meal from the cook, knowing that it might take profit away from the company, but that it also cuts out the servers, most of whom are struggling with their lives?
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2003, 01:59:24 pm »
I also download some of the songs from a new album to listen to it, because I don\'t want to support the artists if their music is awful... I don\'t consider that stealing, because if I don\'t like their music, I don\'t listen to it, and ergo I don\'t buy their cd...

If I buy a cd and it sucks, I can\'t go get a refund once it\'s already open, and so I consider that the artists tricked me into buying their album with promises of great music.. I know that the music might appeal to some, but if it didn\'t appeal to me I feel tricked...

I don\'t share any files, I just download them, and listen to them. If I like the music, I buy the record, and delete my downloads...

I don\'t care if they threaten with lawsuits, because I see my actions as a fair tradeoff with the artists hyping of their music through commercials... The risk of getting caught is also extremely small, so I am going to continue my downloading-in-order-to-determine-if-the-music-sucks-before-buying  fashion...

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2003, 04:21:21 pm »
Buhahahhaa you are all going to jail or whatever!
btw, does this include downloadin from IRC? Because if it does, A LOT OF people are nervous right now..
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2003, 06:24:30 pm »
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Buhahahhaa you are all going to jail or whatever!
btw, does this include downloadin from IRC? Because if it does, A LOT OF people are nervous right now..


if you download something illegal it does...

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2003, 06:47:41 pm »
man, if you want a free preview, try this...

wait till the music is on the radio, listen to it, and determine by that whether or not you want the cd. otherwise take the chance on wasting your money. what you\'re doing is illegal for a reason, what you are doing is theft, whether or not you think it is, no matter what your justification is. don\'t do it if you don\'t want to get caught doing it.

and in the mean time, I wouldn\'t talk about doing it online, you have a tracable IP you know.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2003, 08:16:50 pm »
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man, if you want a free preview, try this...

wait till the music is on the radio, listen to it, and determine by that whether or not you want the cd. otherwise take the chance on wasting your money. what you\'re doing is illegal for a reason, what you are doing is theft, whether or not you think it is, no matter what your justification is. don\'t do it if you don\'t want to get caught doing it.

and in the mean time, I wouldn\'t talk about doing it online, you have a tracable IP you know.


I couldn\'t care less... the risk of getting cought is still extremely low... I don\'t really care about those eDonkey and kazaa programs, I use a private ftp so chances are smaller still...

Usually you have to wait months to get to listen to a single.. And with the bands I listen to, you have to listen to online radio and be extremely lucky to catch one of the songs..  So I consider it fair, even though its illegal...

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2003, 08:35:09 pm »
well man, I can only wish you good luck and hope you don\'t get caught, just think about the consequences and be careful man.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2003, 08:40:44 pm »
I will... and thx btw.

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2003, 01:29:56 am »
I think laws should be adjusted so that, if you aren\'t producing and selling it anymore (and no one else is), ppl can get it for free (you\'re not making money off it, the creator isn\'t making money off it, store owners aren\'t making money off it, nobody cares).  That way old stuff nobody cares about would be free, but of course I bet nobody here cares...
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2003, 02:33:30 am »
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I think laws should be adjusted so that, if you aren\'t producing and selling it anymore (and no one else is), ppl can get it for free (you\'re not making money off it, the creator isn\'t making money off it, store owners aren\'t making money off it, nobody cares).  That way old stuff nobody cares about would be free, but of course I bet nobody here cares...


Games have it that way... they are called underdogs when they get old (or so I believe) and you can get most of them for free at various \"old games\" sites.. I just don\'t think music works the same way

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2003, 03:47:06 am »
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man, if you want a free preview, try this...

wait till the music is on the radio, listen to it, and determine by that whether or not you want the cd. otherwise take the chance on wasting your money. what you\'re doing is illegal for a reason, what you are doing is theft, whether or not you think it is, no matter what your justification is. don\'t do it if you don\'t want to get caught doing it.

and in the mean time, I wouldn\'t talk about doing it online, you have a tracable IP you know.


I can\'t even count the number of times I have bought a CD on the basis of a single song on the radio and that CD ends up being awful.  And many times a song may suck on the radio and the rest on the CD are great.  Here\'s my reason why I don\'t buy CDs.  To download and burn a CD it costs me roughly a quarter.  To go to the store and buy a Cd it costs me $15.  I am an evil cheap SOB.  But I\'m a happy evil cheap SOB, with money.[/COLOR]

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