When you die

[icosiel]

*Reads the word \'tact\' up in the dictionary*, oh..*blushes*

[Abemore]

That\'s right Cal; I don\'t believe in jail, so I can commit crimes without worry, right?
Do we govern reality, or does reality govern us?

Regardless of what you believe, if heaven and hell is how it is, then heaven and hell is how it is.
What is, is.

[Caldazar]

There\'s a pretty big difference between human laws and the \"laws of god\" Abemore. God loves the humans, all of them, even the sinners. He wants them to believe, or so I was taught, should I be punished for something I believe? God works in mysterious ways ya know..

OK, just read through my post... there are some major logical flaws.. well, I\'ll blame it all on the insomnia :rolleyes:

[hook]

oooops ...sorry ...i remeber there being a thread about death IG, so i probably posted before reading it :rolleyes:

[seperot]

this disscusion is realy morbid........but since you are all talking about it

I \"think\" when we die thats it no afterlife nothing you just die.

 :rolleyes: um i think i just made it more morbid....um sry  

[derwoodly]

Hummm,

Death, Respawning, Penuts, Apples, Faith in Jesus, Foudation of religions, and just death.

Death-- there is not a consensus, but considering what is at stake, a few trips to church could not hurt, or maybe a course in philosophy.

Respawning-- I like the gost quest idea.  I like a game that puts a high penalty on dieing.  Other players should be able to loot your corpse too. (PvP thred never dies).

Penuts-- Food is good it keeps you from dieing.

Apples-- Same as penuts

Faith in Jesus-- He rose from the dead, to save your soul, all you have to do is believe in him. Good deal if you ask me.

Foundation of religions-- Rooted in hummanity.  We have throughout the ages always asked the question, what happens when we die.  The question is what makes us human.

Just death-- Where is the fun in that!  Even the idea of me being an 8 armed squid playing Ever Earth Quest, is better than nothing.  Hummm... EEQ... E2Q... EQ2...  if I stare hard enough maybe I can see the pixels.

[Abemore]

So many people.  So many different religions and beliefs.
The belief of the afterlife seems the most popular.  Some believe in reincarnation.  Buddhists believe in achieving a state of nirvana in this life through meditation.  Some say Jesus was the son of God; some say Jesus was just a guy (or a prophet); some probably say, \"Jesus who?\"  

One important fact about religions is that they were all created by man.  All the stories in the Bible or Koran or anywhere else were all recorded or invented or exaggerated to show a moral (and then translated) by man.  And religious wars are the products of our creations.

So, what do you believe?  The religion you\'ve been taught as a child?  Perhaps every religion has some truth in it.  Perhaps reincarnation, the afterlife, nirvana, and whatever else all exist, and we should believe in them all.  Who knows?

One thing is certain, however.  The past has been written.  The events of the past happened they way they did: creation of the universe, evolution of man, etc.  Trouble is, we can\'t clearly see the past.  All we have are stories on which to base our knowledge.

The more you know, the better off you are.
The choice of what we believe belongs to us all.

[Keldorn]

Originally posted by Abemore
One important fact about religions is that they were all created by man.  All the stories in the Bible or Koran or anywhere else were all recorded or invented or exaggerated to show a moral (and then translated) by man.  

And who are you to say that this is a fact? You are right ofcourse that these stories in the Bible and other religious books have been written down by men, but it is not a fact that they made them up.
They don\'t call the Bible God\'s word for nothing. They all were inspired by God or some entity that told them what to write. The human was the tool to put God\'s word into writing.
Ofcourse you may still believe that it is a fact, but don\'t go as far as stating that it is.
Many people don\'t believe that.

[Abemore]

Okay, well said Keldorn.
But don\'t misunderstand.  The fact is that the many different religions were created by man.  I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations.  I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.

I did not mean that men made up the stories in these books; I only meant that it was probable.  It could have happened.  What assurance do we have that God inspired each and every writer.  And then, did God also inspire the translation of these stories?  Maybe so.  Assuming that every translated word in every religious book is inspired by God and translated from original writings also inspired by God, we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions.  Did God inspire that as well?  Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier.  I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.

I want you to be okay with what I am saying, Keldorn.  Are there any other problems?

[zaphar]

Originally posted by Abemore
Okay, well said Keldorn.
But don\'t misunderstand.  The fact is that the many different religions were created by man.  I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations.  I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.

I did not mean that men made up the stories in these books; I only meant that it was probable.  It could have happened.  What assurance do we have that God inspired each and every writer.  And then, did God also inspire the translation of these stories?  Maybe so.  Assuming that every translated word in every religious book is inspired by God and translated from original writings also inspired by God, we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions.  Did God inspire that as well?  Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier.  I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.

I want you to be okay with what I am saying, Keldorn.  Are there any other problems?

Ooooh I could really get in trouble with this one.

First of all the scriptures kind of exclude all other religous writings. According to them they are the exclusive word of God. No other scripture like the Koran or the Tao of whatever can be God\'s Word if the Bible is true.

Second of all the Bible has several stories where His People the Isrealites were told to slaughter and I quote \"every man woman and child\". So yes God told people to kill other people.

As far as your interpretation of the scriptures well thats between God and You no one else can judge you on it. They can believe your wrong try to convince you of it and even get really angry with you about it. But God is the only one with the ability to judge you as wrong or right about it.

[Keldorn]

There were no problems to start with, just wanted to say what i was thinking.

But don\'t misunderstand. The fact is that the many different religions were created by man. I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations. I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.

 
Ofcourse \'God\' didn\'t divide people into different religions. What would be the point of that. The logical explanation would be that, if there is a God, there only one true religion exists, the one of God (or whatever ya wanna call it). And the other religions are made by men who are dissatisfied with explanations given by this one religion. Christians would most likely say that the people who founded these other religions were inspired or possesed by the devil or something with horns that looks really mean.
Ofcourse if that is true then the hard thing would be to see which religion is the one and only truth. That is something everyone has to decide for oneself.

we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions. Did God inspire that as well? Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier. I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.

I think Christians would say that people interpreting the books differently and creating sub-religions would have to do with the sin in the world. One cannot understand the books completely if you haven\'t received the holy spirit and accepted jesus or something. Satan takes advantage of it and misleads the people or somewhat along those lines.
Religious wars have ocurred all the ages. This would also be a product of the sin in the world and satan. But then again, God also says somewhere to kill for him so its a bit confusing.

[sashok]

I believe that when you die, it\'s a infinite blackout.  Just like when you were knocked out, it doesn\'t matter how many days you were unconcious, you will think that seconds passed.  Death is darkness, whether or not a human is reborn later is yet to be proved, but everyone seems to believe it, pathetic fools

[Abemore]

Clever religion.  Always has an explanation, and yet is not clear on the subject of killing.

Regarding the different religions.  It could be that there is only one true religion (but there is no way of knowing which, unless you believe God told you).  Or it could be that they all have some truth, all being based on the original truth, but having been distorted by humanity.  Also introduced is the possibility that some were not based on the original truth, but devised as a means of control.

It is fun to think about

On a separate note, what is with these Godless people and their depressing \"infinite blackout\" death scenarios?  Sheesh.

[Fanomatic2000]

When you die you die, and that\'s it.

About religion I wonder what part in \"Thou shall not kill\" those fanatics doesn\'t understand.

BTW: I\'m Atheist.

[sashok]

Lets see. I don\'t believe in god, but I have morals, I wouldn\'t go and kill anybody or abuse anyone.  But there are people who go to church to be forgiven for murders and theft and guess what, they are forgiven.  
Heh, religion.  Don\'t get me started.

Religion is good for the masses, but it\'s bad in terms of so much hate because of it.  Every religion thinks they are best.  They sound more like buisness men to me.

As for \"infinite blackout\".  Hey, what\'s wrong with that? it\'s not like you will be turtured in hell or will have to live in heaven.  There will be no more of you and you wouldn\'t care. Period.