Order of Death

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Xalthar
define evil.. from where do you get your moral values? who has defined them?

I did that in our last discussion.
Noone said any good argument against what i said, so there!
and it\'s all about logic:
You influence someone, if thing you did for that person makes him/her hate you - it\'s evil.

Edit: ok this is going off-topic. For definition of evil allignment read any good RPG\'s rulebook. simple...

[Moogie]

There is no good or evil, just differences of opinion. Think of it like this:

Pick a flower to impress a girl and she sees you as sweet and sensitive. But what you just did was kill a living organism.

Girl\'s opinion of you = Good.
Flower\'s opinion of you = Evil.

[Draklar]

Here comes thinking what is lesser good/evil
but how about that:
you sacrifice your life to save someone... isn\'t that good? can it be evil?
you kill someone innocent (for no reason)... isn\'t that evil?

Edit: ok, this is going off-topic. For definition of evil allignment read any good RPG\'s rulebook. simple

[Xordan]

Or just look it up in a dictionary. U can\'t argue with that. lol

[shadowmancer]

\"Desecrating\" a body isn\'t evil. Its former owner is done with it, so, why shouldn\'t someone make good use of it? Draklar, that is not what Xalthar meant.
And Mogura, by your description, it isn\'t evil, becuase who\'s gonna complain? Unless someone\'s using it, the body is just trash, and it\'s gonna rot and be worthless. So, therefore, my side is supported by Mogura. Cool?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by shadowmancer
\"Desecrating\" a body isn\'t evil.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by shadowmancer Its former owner is done with it, so, why shouldn\'t someone make good use of it?

Yeah, why not dig out someone from his grave... nothing wrong with that, right? :rolleyes:

[Azriel]

Originally posted by shadowmancer Its former owner is done with it, so, why shouldn\'t someone make good use of it?

the prob is when some1 tries to make bad use of it

[Xalthar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by shadowmancer
\"Desecrating\" a body isn\'t evil.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by shadowmancer Its former owner is done with it, so, why shouldn\'t someone make good use of it?

Yeah, why not dig out someone from his grave... nothing wrong with that, right? :rolleyes:

killing monsters and raising them... is that evil?? If not, you don\'t have any reason to continue this discussion, because then the necromancers don\'t have to be evil, at least not in planeshift, because you won\'t be able to go kill some random town, and raise all it\'s inhabitants..

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Draklar
Necromancer is using other people corpses, which is evil.
(now talking generally, not PS)

As you can see i wasn\'t talking about PS
but I see you are right.
By animating killed creature\'s corpse you aren\'t doing anything evil.
Well i guess i was wrong
you can be neutral necromancer...

[Auran]

 and all sensible people know that religion is worthless..

Well you cant really say that. Its just the way you view it. I mean if you view that religion is about blind belief, dogma and rituals you may say it is worthless. But if you view religion as something that prompts ppl to act in a moral way, to strive to make better ppl of themselves and be compassionate to fellow creatures I would say it is useful. Even if the reasons prompting such behaviour were non existent or illogical i\'d still say that they are reasons worth considering since they make me a better human being.

eg-
If you believe that god exists and the fear of his wrath  makes you force yourself to give up bad deeds then I\'d definitely have to say that believing in god was worthwhile even if that belief were false.

the sad thing however is that most ppl interpret religion in the wrong way. Religion is not about believing in god or things like that. Its about making sure that such beliefs benefit mankind as a whole. So you cant just follow religious beliefs and proclaim yourselves religious. You have to find  religion in your own mind ( i wont say heart, that organ is incapable of thought).

why not dig out someone from his grave... nothing wrong with that, right?

Meh! it seems you attach too much importance to your mortal remains. That is sad. Why cant you get over the fact that \"Thou art the dust, and to dust thou shalt return\". Its sheer foolishness to attach importance to a cadaver. The person who died doesn\'t care. His family will mourn him for what ? 20 years, 30 years, 50 years?
And how long will his corpse last when even fond memories fade over time? The point is once a person is gone, he\'s gone. Will you not tread upon the soil which is the collective remains of so many loved ones, so many sons and daughters, so many fathers and mothers, so many sisters and brothers, some of them maybe even your own ancestors? So I say make good use of this body while you possess it but once it is gone there is no use pining over it, Such attachment just increases the agony and anguish of death.


Anyhow the fact I want to forward is-
\"Necromancery the proffesion isn\'t evil, its the person practising it who makes it either way.\"

and

\" To each his own prejudice.\"

[Davis]

Originally posted by Azriel
the prob is when some1 tries to make bad use of it

Yes, then it\'s no better than if someone makes bad use of a sword by going and stabbing someone with it. Necromancy is a means, not an ends, and you people should really understand that.
I agree entirely with Auran.

[Xordan]

It\'s all just opinion. It gets on my nerves a bit in rpgs when people don\'t like you because u are a necromancer. Most people would see necromancy as evil, and unless u change their opinions, it will always be seen as evil by those people and their next generation.

[shadowmancer]

People are brainwashed so easily by the other fantasy stories they read, which depict Evil Guy\'s undead horde destroying poor George\'s village and killing his family. It\'s all bias.

[seperot]

ok i have concluded that necromancers are not evil but its so much fun to be a evil necromancer they all are  

[Draklar]

umm... i\'m not sure if being neutral necromancer will be possible in Planeshift. According to Dark Way description it is about summoning dark/evil creatures, and causing diseases.

And if you aren\'t evil you won\'t be able to cast some of the best necromancy spells... especially those disease spells. Also in any system where you need ingredients to cast spells, necromancy would be evil (getting ingredients like fresh human heart needs murdering).