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« Reply #120 on: November 26, 2003, 08:47:02 am »
In a guild where evryone knows each other and the recruitng is very selective,the guild may have new idears supported by the members and seem to run with good efficentcy, however when someone desides to leave,somehting changes in the guild/or when many people become inactive \'new blood\' is needed in a guild to keep its numbers up and to replace those lost.
If ur guild recruiting is selective then it will be very dificult for the guild to except new recruits because they have their set ways and any new thoughts and idears of the new ppl will be hated and those new people will feel resented and left out,therefore causing the guild to crumble.
Guilds like yours...notice the like, im not saying that this will necesarily happen to you...get all powerful and look down on evryone else, this usualy in my experience causes alot of problems for guilds, especialy if they have great power, members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.

On a diferent subject...why are new ppl hated so much? i havnt been here for a month, not even 2 weeks yet, but i dont feel like a little n00b. ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?


@zeph lol yea thats y i joined, an i never got the awnser to my empanadas question :(...btw whereve u been? havnt seen u on msn for a few days.


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« Reply #121 on: November 26, 2003, 01:16:31 pm »
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In a guild where evryone knows each other and the recruitng is very selective,the guild may have new idears supported by the members and seem to run with good efficentcy, however when someone desides to leave,somehting changes in the guild/or when many people become inactive \'new blood\' is needed in a guild to keep its numbers up and to replace those lost.
If ur guild recruiting is selective then it will be very dificult for the guild to except new recruits because they have their set ways and any new thoughts and idears of the new ppl will be hated and those new people will feel resented and left out,therefore causing the guild to crumble.

New blood is always needed, but it is hard to keep the guild\'s beliefs and spirit when there is too much of it. Also, like it has been said before, some guilds are according more importance to quality over quantity. One new quality member that agrees with the guild\'s principles is far more interesting and will be more motivated than 10 or 20 random people. It takes more time to evaluate, but on the bottom line it\'s worth every second spent on it.

Being selective doesn\'t mean static, or closed to the external world either. We have contacts with people we trust in other guilds and are constantly exchanging ideas with them, as well as with potential recruits we are discussing with. So we don\'t lack feedback.

New members are certainly not hated, since (in our case, but I\'m sure it\'s the case for others too) they have been accepted after a long process which ends with a vote at the Council level. Which doesn\'t mean people at the other levels are not listened to, the structure has been designed so that anyone has the right to speak ;)

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Guilds like yours...notice the like, im not saying that this will necesarily happen to you...get all powerful and look down on evryone else, this usualy in my experience causes alot of problems for guilds, especialy if they have great power, members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.

I\'m not sure about what you mean by looking down. In their case, it\'s part of their identity, plus they have to be cautious.

Fights over ranks can happen in any guild. From what I\'ve seen here, selective guilds have less problems with that. Big guilds with many people who don\'t know each other and care less about their guild split, have spin-offs or find some of their frustrated members being in several guilds. Finally most of them just collapse.
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On a diferent subject...why are new ppl hated so much? i havnt been here for a month, not even 2 weeks yet, but i dont feel like a little n00b. ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?

I don\'t think they are hated, not at the ooc level in any case. Of course, I\'ve seen some people taking pleasure in making them looking ridiculous, especially in-game (I think they know who they are, and I do pity them). But usually they are well accepted and helped.

The problem is that we are used to answer the same questions thousands of times, and in most cases it is fruitless since the person will just say it\'s crap and not come back. It would be appreciated if they were looking for the answers by themselves, that\'s why sometimes, someone can get a little nervous at questions. But we know it\'s part of the game and just have to accept it.

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« Reply #122 on: November 26, 2003, 02:24:45 pm »
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members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.

Depends on guild\'s structure. Like in DE, except for empress and sub-leaders, everyone are on same level.
So this problem shouldn\'t occur in the Dark Empire.
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« Reply #123 on: November 26, 2003, 02:35:32 pm »
Or the Rangers. :D

It will happen when guilds will want be official. Then they\'ll have to have 9 levels of hieararchy... and things could happen. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #124 on: November 26, 2003, 02:44:49 pm »
lupo there are ways around the 9 lvl hieararchy ;)

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« Reply #125 on: November 26, 2003, 03:12:25 pm »
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It will happen when guilds will want be official. Then they\'ll have to have 9 levels of hieararchy

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All Guilds must respect these rules to be elegible to become official:
  • The Guild must have an unique named leader.

The leader must send to PlaneShift Team his real name, country and a valid e-mail. If he wants, his identity can remain unknown to other players.

The guild must have at least 10 members, including leader.

The leader is responsible for the actions of the members of his guild; if one of them goes against the rules of PlaneShift, the leader must immediately remove him from the guild.

The leader cannot be a member of the PlaneShift Development Team. This will prevent unfair advantages between guilds.

The Guild must have a web page that states scope, beliefs, members, etc...[/list][/size]


hehe... no such rule :P
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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2003, 03:25:20 pm »
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Guilds Organization  The guilds should define 9 levels of hierarchy. Level 9 is the leader, other levels need to be defined by the guild leader.  To know more on how to set those levels in the game, read the first connection guide under \"Guilds Commands\".  

mhhh. :P
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« Reply #127 on: November 26, 2003, 03:35:03 pm »
lol that\'s not rule to become official :P
it just says how guilds in PS are constructed :P
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« Reply #128 on: November 26, 2003, 03:52:56 pm »
I dunno. But it says guilds *should* be like it(I don\'t like it, though) and that it\'s under construction... it may become part of the upper list. We\'ll see.
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« Reply #129 on: November 26, 2003, 04:02:09 pm »
bah, this is off-topic, cut this discussion. It isn\'t mention in \"to become official\" list so it\'s not rule to become official.
It more likely means: there are 9 lvl slots to fill, 9 lvl is leader, leader sets other ranks.
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« Reply #130 on: November 26, 2003, 05:24:28 pm »
I need to clear something up...there is NOTHING wrong with newbies. Only n00bies deserve to die :P if new blood is required then so it will be...But they will NOT be discriminated against simply because they are new. That is not the way of the DE, nor will it ever be. If full co-operation is not present among the guild\'s members at all times, I wont be a very happy empress. :P there wil be no petty squabbling and fighting either, promotions will be gained by honorable means.

the difference between n00b and newb are this: a newb is a respectable,intelligent new addition to the community and not making a complete jackhole of themselves. whereas a n00b will spam, ask ridiculous questions that could have been answered by reading a sticky thread, etc. and it is the unfortunate fact that a good portion of the new players that come are n00bs.
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« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2003, 05:41:08 pm »
Things dont always work as you want them to, if they did then evrything would be perfect and we wudnt be posting about this,i hate not being able to have the last word in a discusion lol so this post may be a little poitless...
Power can be a bigger force than you would expect,even individuals of the highest \'standards\' may not be who they seem, power has the tendency to corrupt individuals. If your guild is as big as ppl make it sound, when the game is further developed and you are the \'all powerful\' guild in planeshift, even if you think that it wont happen,or lrt it happen, there is still a great possibility that it will go to members heads and as i stated above, the guild could be destroyed from the inside.

*edit* just noticed im not a \'cool newbie\' anymore :D
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« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2003, 06:03:01 pm »
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 there is still a great possibility that it will go to members heads and as i stated above, the guild could be destroyed from the inside.

*looks above*
well...
if someone is accepted into guild, i don\'t think any of the older members will behave like that.
DE structure prevents fighting over ranks.
there :]

Edit: just to point out that Aelya thought about that already: :P
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7. We believe all members are to be treated with respect. I am VERY strict on this, as failure would result in a collapsing guild.
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« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2003, 08:48:44 pm »
hehe... i was reading some of the oldest threads in here and found the Elven Order one...
so Aendar was good as well? :P

i guess the Dark Empire is good at freeing people from the chains of light :D
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« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2003, 09:01:08 pm »
Ah yes the Elven Order.  Yes at one time I was good, but trust me those days are over.

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ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?


That\'s the whole point.  Newbies come on here and start asking questions that a hundred people before them have already asked.  A little reading would show them that.  Hell there is even a thread for a newbie FAQ, but still they ask questions elsewhere.

And it\'s these damned newbies that come on and start complaining about how bad the graphics are or where they can find monsters, because they were to damn lazy to realize that it is a pre-alpha game.[/COLOR]

Only n00bs don't quote themselves...
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