Dark Alliance

[Savion]

He offered an alliance that would benefit both and make the circle complete. Why can\'t you people see that? Oh I forgot, the whole blind with pride issue. So be it.

[Princess Aelya]

So your saying you would accept that proposition without a second thought, knowing the guild is known for treachery and deceit, knowing that its just a little odd that they want to make allies as soon as a guild pops up and might prove to be competition? You would be very foolish to take that action. As I said, if the cabal want to make allies, they need to change the way they operate. And we are not blinded by pride, we simply have no reason to trust you, especially with the way youve been acting. And we think about the consequences that may come along with allying a guild known for backstabbing and such. And honestly, I am not willing to take the risk.

[Dameon]

Ok time to put my 2 cents in again.

Savion, you like that whole \"blind with your pride\" thing don\'t you? It gets a little old. Find some new material.

Second of all... this thread is way too long so let me sum it up and let it be the end.

*To The Cabal*

DE is lot looking for an alliance. Give up.

*To DE*

I have to agree with Savion (man I can\'t believe I said that) that you are kind of looking at the thing from one angle... but that is just my opinion.

either way it does not matter... people it is just a game.

[Princess Aelya]

Yes its just a game, and we are enjoying ourselves by arguing about this.

Yes you are correct, we do look at it from opposite angles. We are a guild that thinks of what may happen in the future. The Cabal is a guild that will rush into something blindly thinking they have everything under control without really thinking about it. But I am sure they would word it differently.

The angle we look at it in, is the angle that over rules any other angle it could be viewed in. its that simple. Which angle is the better way of looking at it? Well thats a never ending debate, as that is totally based on opinion. And its obvious the cabal have different views than we do.

[Savion]

Originally posted by Princess Aelya
So your saying you would accept that proposition without a second thought, knowing the guild is known for treachery and deceit, knowing that its just a little odd that they want to make allies as soon as a guild pops up and might prove to be competition? You would be very foolish to take that action. As I said, if the cabal want to make allies, they need to change the way they operate. And we are not blinded by pride, we simply have no reason to trust you, especially with the way youve been acting. And we think about the consequences that may come along with allying a guild known for backstabbing and such. And honestly, I am not willing to take the risk.

So its either \" Do or don\'t\" huh Aelya? no shades of grey? Just \"Well, the Cabal backstab, so I say no\".

Learn a little thing called consideration... and think before you turn away.

BTW, nothing against DE. IF the cabal and DE come together or not, I could care less. I follow Auran.

[Draklar]

ok, to make something straight:
Auran is not a good leader, i even posted reasons why and what did i get in return? a bunch of insults that weren\'t making any sense
This place is only one where Auran is acting like that, normally he\'s kinda like Xordan
He\'s acting unlike Cabal should act, and all this was started by himself, obviously not contacting his fellow councils.
So i say Auran is far from being a good leader.

[Annah]

\"that was the worst done insult EVER\"
 Seperot ... I wasn\'t insulting you know. But everything I say, at you is an insult. Don\'t you get it? You\'re the only who see those thing. I think the time when you should stop acting like a kid has come. And is very true you don\'t even know me, so stop judging me. You know nothing about me ...
 I am a bad leader? Hmm ... don\'t think so. The guild is here since 2001 ... so this proves something. And about my leading skills, I am a PR Leader for a long time ...
 And yes ... you\'re acting childish!

[Princess Aelya]

Originally posted by Savion
So its either \" Do or don\'t\" huh Aelya? no shades of grey? Just \"Well, the Cabal backstab, so I say no\".

Learn a little thing called consideration... and think before you turn away.

You dont think I thought about it? Well I did. But it didnt take long to realise that the cabal are simply not trustworthy. When I look for allies, I look for guilds that I know will support me. Guilds that I know arnt going to stab me in the back. Guilds that I believe will be trustworthy allies. Guilds that have a sense of honor, and not known for betrayal. Part of being lawful evil is having a sense of honor amongst your own people. And since the cabal are known for things that are dishonorable,(like backstabbing, spying, internal disruption, etc.) a lawful evil guild will by nature, not trust them. Do you understand our views now??

[seperot]

annah just one simpel thing i am not the only one who thinks these things far from it actually.

[Auran]

Ah my Princess. You are too suspicious. However that is something I would have thought too in your place so I don\'t blame you (although I would have tackled this differently in your position). Your suspicions are based on the public opinion. That public which itself knows precious little about us. They don\'t know what we are doing, they don\'t know what we intend, they dont know whom we have corrupted....need I go on. They know what we want them to know which more often than not isn\'t the reality. On the contary I appreciate your worth perfectly. I don\'t need very long to judge the potential of things. That is exactly why I approached you first and  I didn\'t mind it at all. If something is beneficial it is not for me to pass it by on account of my pride. I have outgrown the need for pride to provide me with motivation or confidence.

You think we are treacherous and backstabbing and I don\'t deny that. But we are not compulsively treacherous. We do things when we deem them profitable. And I approached you only because we thought there was profit to be had by taking you with us. You would have been an added asset to the Cabal but dont think you are a necessity for us. It just looked profitable thats all. Kinda like those little sprinkles on donuts. Would like em, but don\'t really need em. I don\'t care anymore. You have made your decision and now we\'ll see what we have to do. I was just hoping that we wouldn\'t have to take to task some of our own kind while there was such good picking to be had together. We wanted this to be a symbiosis but if it is parasites you prefer then so be it.

Also if you want to wait for us to prove our worth then you have a very long wait before you. I cannot help if your appraisal skills leave much to be desired. We are not exactly high visibility people. We much prefer to remain hidden for we have no egoes to appease. We seek only to spread our corruption. That is also why I wont be able to inform you about the ones we have absorbed. You are not yet worth that much to us. We prefer the people not know. The only thing I can point out is look at the length of this thread. Do you really think it would have reached this point so soon had we not touched it. Judge the potency of our taint then. Say what you will I cannot give more proof nor do I care. I donot have a ego you can hurt nor a thirst for self glorification which needs quenching. Yes honor and trust you shouldn\'t expect from us. We are not honourable nor trusting. We are intellects. We don\'t need stumbling stones  like Honor or Trust in our path to success. As long as the council thinks something gainful, it\'ll stay umolested. More should not be expected. Why would we want to carry deadwood?

About Cabal members being hostile all I can say is they act as Cabal members act normally. They dont have direct orders from the council to act either way. Once they have they\'ll follow (and they will have reasons to follow). Right now they are free to be nice or harsh. They will only change when they are asked to by the Council. And for my leadership skills I would rather not say anything. I have said this before and say it again: I do not possess the temerity to judge myself. All I do is what the council asks me to. And though  have a voice in it I am by no means the supreme authority. However our unity and unanimity are our strengths.We are THE CABAL.

If you do change your mind someday, inform us. We will gladly have you if we think you are still worth it.

Draklar the only reason you have never seen me act seriously on any other thread or in replies to you is because neither they nor you are worth it. I don\'t mean to dampen your spirit. You are a nice kid who tries his best, but to be considered seriously by me you\'ll have to  be a bit more mature mentally. I talked to the DE because I thought them worth it. I joke with you because thats what I feel you are worth. There is a lot you dont know yet my young friend.

Very well then. I\'ll take my leave of you My princess. You don\'t deem me fit to be my queen and it is not for me to press my attentions. Farewell beautiful one. I did not want us to part like this, but if it is not your will, there is nought to be said. You were good, princess. Then we arrived......


Your humble servant

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Auran
Draklar the only reason you have never seen me act seriously on any other thread or in replies to you is because neither they nor you are worth it. I don\'t mean to dampen your spirit. You are a nice kid who tries his best, but to be considered seriously by me you\'ll have to  be a bit more mature mentally. I talked to the DE because I thought them worth it. I joke with you because thats what I feel you are worth. There is a lot you dont know yet my young friend.

I must say... high charisma indeed... you might be better leader than i thought, still... foolish words you have spoken...
You say DE thread is only one you find worth enough to be serious. May i ask you what did you found worth enough in the first place? Thing that they are old guild, or that their leader is Princess? They are wise indeed, but you couldn\'t tell that in the beginning...
Another question is why aren\'t you acting serious on Cabal threads... is it because you don\'t find it worthy?
I can clearly tell that from what you said...
oh, and you joke with me because i am worth it, eh? But what about times when you aren\'t joking? when you just state your opinion? I can easly prove you are wrong... still you won\'t admit it, as you are too stubborn. It is then when you have nothing better to do, but post something that won\'t make any sense.
So you may have bigger knowledge than me, i don\'t care... Inteligence is what i seek for, as knowledge is useless, when you don\'t know how to use it.

\"They dont have direct orders from the council to act either way\"
heh... so Xordan isn\'t in council?
anyways you say it works like that:
Council sets one thing, members do what they want, right?

[Yarulion]

Due to the length of that post I thought maybe I could pickup the highlights and simplify it.

\"That public which itself knows precious little about us. They don\'t know what we are doing, they don\'t know what we intend, they dont know whom we have corrupted....\"
Basically this is to say the Cabal have done nothing worthy of public notice.

\"It just looked profitable thats all. Kinda like those little sprinkles on donuts.\"
Not to be picky here, but that was truly an awful analogy.

\"Also if you want to wait for us to prove our worth then you have a very long wait before you.\"
Straight from the horse\'s mouth.

\"We are not exactly high visibility people.\"
Calling themselves the CABAL (deceivers), a band of flaming posters with huge images on their sigs describing them as members and \"corrupters\" go around posting about \"the taint\" of their very secret guild. OK, I think I\'m with ya here.

\"You are not yet worth that much to us.\"
Sheesh... coulda fooled me.

\"The only thing I can point out is look at the length of this thread.\"
Exactly! See above point.

\"Do you really think it would have reached this point so soon had we not touched it? Judge the potency of our taint then.\"
So... the \"taint\" is running a thread into the ground by begging to be accepted?

\"I donot have a ego you can hurt nor a thirst for self glorification which needs quenching.\"
I beg to differ. For my first witness, I call all of your posts in this thread.

\"We are not honourable nor trusting. We are intellects. We don\'t need stumbling stones like Honor or Trust in our path to success...About Cabal members being hostile all I can say is they act as Cabal members act normally...They will only change when they are asked to by the Council.\"
Read: We have a disorganized and untrustworthy guild.

\"...it is not for me to press my attentions.\"
Raise your hand if you believe that one!

Wow, I was right! That post *does* get more readable when you take out all the sucking up and preaching and you only leave the contradictions!

[lynx_lupo]

Yay! Our very own Blood war. Chaotic evils against Lawful ones!

Tranquility on horizon.
*Lynx goes to sleep on a tree*

[Draklar]

Exactly, those long posts filled with wise words are just a trick. This time not rogue one, but also needs charisma, not really inteligence. This way you can fool even a good rogue *looks at Seperot*
oh, and thanks for reminding me, Lynx
today\'s change in cabal: switching from neutral-evil to chaotic-evil

[Savion]

Another day another dollar. Back to the chase.

Hey, I, personally, am chaotic evil but that is besides the point. Either chaotic, neutral, lawful, whatever. It is still evil. No matter how good is aligned, they are always classified as one. Why not the same with evil?
NOT MAKING SENSE PEOPLE!

How can you people not see the leadership qualities baffles me. Look. I choose not to show intelligence. You show a person one thing so they do not expect the true way of your thoughts. That is how true genious is shown.

Underestimating... its sad. I wish DE the best of luck in its revival... but it won\'t happen. Your views are going to take you down. You innability to cope and accept change, or sieze oppotunity... you non-flexibility will be your doom.

I HATE EVERYONE!