The Transcendent Order

[lynx_lupo]

You affect all and still all see you as fools. I don\'t see your logic/sense.

Yarulion: great water effect!!!

[Evanchild]

Originally posted by Savion
Fools? Who are more foolish, the fools or the fools affected by them? We affect all, so that must make every one else even more foolish than us!

well a fool cannot usefully execute a line so thereafore that sttements is false?  i dunno.  your  a moron.  you don\'t give 2 cents its more like 3/8.

[Savion]

The comment went over your head. Don\'t bother trying to contemplate its meaning. Actually, I think you summed it up the best Lynx. We affect all. They call us fools... but who are more foolish? If you REALLY didn\'t want anything to do with us, you would not be affected by what we say.

Yes, we are seen as fools... but we will be seen as gods once all are proven more foolish.

[Yarulion]

Ahem... if I may have my thread back (**glares at Cabali**)

I would like to say that because of the length of the website and the difficulty of reading that much text I have very much abridged it. The v2 site is very concise and I think still highlights the main points well. I have preserved much of the original material. If anyone is interested, maybe I\'ll make a novel  

At any rate, my other announcement is that we have joined the Dark Alliance (I\'m sure you all know by now) and completed the triangle. I do not vainly hope to take the place of Hellsing, but this should prove beneficial to all of the guilds involved. Our alignment has not and most likely will not change from Chaotic Neutral as this is reflective of the guild philosphy.

I now open this thread to further explain anything about the guild now lost in the brevity of the website or for any and all commentary, including the inevitable Cabali flame-war. *sighs*

[lynx_lupo]

Originally posted by Savion
The comment went over your head. Don\'t bother trying to contemplate its meaning. Actually, I think you summed it up the best Lynx. We affect all. They call us fools... but who are more foolish? If you REALLY didn\'t want anything to do with us, you would not be affected by what we say.

I know what you mean, but the inBalance(\"senselessity\" ) was too striking not to intervene. I\'m a druid after all.

Yes, we are seen as fools... but we will be seen as gods once all are proven more foolish.

If you EVER prove us more foolish, I will only probably be ashamed and surprised. I WILL NEVER see you AS GODS!

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sorry
Yar: It will be curious to see how the DA will work.
BF is chaotic, the others are lawful;
BF is neutral, the others are evil.
Interesting choice you/they\'ve made!

The site is great.

[seperot]

yes im intrested how thats gonna work too

[Yarulion]

Actually the Dark Empire is Lawful Evil and the Black Order is Chaotic Evil. So we are not the only force of Chaos in the group. As for not being evil, Neutrality in our case means not letting the ideals of \"good\" and \"evil\" penetrate our thoughts and get in the way. Evil is always preferred to good, because self-serving is more natural and instinctive, thus being the way of the Ciphers. However, because no Cipher ever considers his actions on the basis of good or evil, no alignment distinction can be made. To be evil would be \"out of character.\"

[lynx_lupo]

So are you evil or not? You stated both.  :rolleyes:

[Yarulion]

We\'re chaotic neutral. We serve an evil organization. We may do things that appear good, or evil, or neutral, or lawful, or chaotic, or whatever. That\'s all part of chaotic neutral. We\'re unpredictable.

[Edit: GAH! Too many conversations at the same time!]

Ok, let me try to explain this differently. Alignment titles do not figure into to the Transcendent Order very well because alignment is how you basically make a decision relative to your values...

By that logic, we would actually have no alignment because we make decisions based on instinct. The Order, the guild, and players, usually, are all Chaotic Neutral. Decisions are spur-of-the-moment and unpredictable. If any one of those three (Order, guild, players) swings in the direction of another alignment, a name other than the alignment is more appropriate.

For example, an evil Cipher might be better described as \"sadistic\" while a good Cipher might be better described as \"tolerant.\" This is all for role-playing and philosophical reasons, and as alignment has very little bearing on the game, I think it is being taken perhaps a bit too literally for the purposes of the guild.

We serve the Dark Alliance. We uphold the ideals of the Transcendent Order. Let that be our statement of alignment.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Yarulion
By that logic, we would actually have no alignment because we make decisions based on instinct.

yea, i think i said somewhere non-aligned = chaotic-neutral

But BO is lawful-evil
so yer only one chaotic in there, right.

[Yarulion]

If you will refer to the first post on the Dark Alliance thread, Annah announced that the Black Order would revert to its old alignment of Chaotic Evil.

Also the simple fact of it is that if you want to act instinctively, evil just tends to conflict with instinct less than good.

[lynx_lupo]

Chaotic neutral fits you fine. When playing a neutral druid in some alignment shifting games, I had to do good and evil to stay neutral!

And that you act on instinct, makes you chaotic.

/note to self: read the PT factions guide

man do i type slowly!

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Yarulion
If you will refer to the first post on the Dark Alliance thread, Annah announced that the Black Order would revert to its old alignment of Chaotic Evil.

yea, but it was neutral to chaotic-evil
later Annah said, especially to Kada, that they are switching to lawful-evil

[Yarulion]

Guess I missed that one  

[Auran]

I have an Idea:

Lets just say you are all idiots and be done with it:D.

By the way, Yarulion, you say you serve a guild that is evil. Now correct me if I am wrong but aren\'t you allies.?