Neutral Guild Alliance?

[Draklar]

for Rangers - aid from mage guild
for AO - spying services and some fighting aid as well
(that\'s possible at least)
they don\'t need same goals to help each other
*prods Elscouta and Axsyrus*
umm.... Dark Alliance is alliance of two guilds... and Citadel of Light... two as well... so where did you get the idea of ALL neutral guilds getting an alliance
\"It is stupid and useless if your goal isn\'t to become powerfull..\" you know, some people might think that dedicating your life to help others isn\'t stupid and useless :rolleyes:

[elscouta]

I completely agree with everything Axsyrus said

Let the guilds take care about their diplomacy.

Draklar: and? that prove we need to be allied with all the other neutral guilds? And that was what Kuiper asked:

ALL the neutral guilds will still hold neutral status and maintain their own rules. Except with this they can have inter-guild trading and have some political power that will maintain neutralization of the present neutral guilds.

[Draklar]

notice the after \'all\' word, he seems to mean already mentioned guilds and that would be the ones that joined the alliance
mentioning Dark Alliance proves that he didn\'t mean all guilds, just like DA isn\'t all evil ones.
and alliance between few neutral guilds isn\'t stupid and pointless since it helps you to achieve thy goals. Like by gaining more power.

[Umpapa]

I can see the Neutral guilds joining forces to stop some large evil plot.


ok say for ex.  Evil guild  A,B and C all work on a plan to destroy Good guild Z.   Everything is working fine and Z is about dead.  However the Neutral guilds realize that if the Evil guilds win.. then the evil guilds will be able to control all the local markets etc.. The standards of living will be lowered (ie the locals will be beat within an inch of their life if they dont pay protection money etc...).  The neutral guilds think hey not only will Evil be over balanced but the out come will affect us in a negative way.  They react by helping the good aligned guild to hold off the Evil guild just enough to where the evil guild can not win and it is costing them to much to sustain the attacks.  There by causing them to cease the attacks long enough for the good guild Z to get help and Balance to be restored.

Just an idea.  But remeber this could be reversed also.  It could be the good forces trying to cleanse the land of evil.   In which case the Neutral guilds would perhaps help the Evil guild so as to stop the overly cumbersom govermental politics of the good forces from tying up free   trade in the town etc..


Bah then again, Neutral guilds will do as they wish any ways.  That is why they are neutral. lol   So have fun.
Just some ideas.

[Axsyrus]

like I said.. \"I think guilds can make their own decisions\", we don\'t need you to tell us what we should do..

it\'s stupid and useless to become powerfull if you don\'t want to become powerfull, isn\'t that what \"useless\" means in the first place, something you don\'t use?

\"dedicating your life to help others\", are we suddenly talking about good guilds now?

I don\'t see why you people think neutral guilds aren\'t alied in the first place.. I said AO and rangers were allied, \"we just don\'t need any fancy names\"

and now stop making me having to quote myself all the time.. I really start to get the feeling you don\'t read my posts or something..

[Draklar]

we don\'t need you to tell us what we should do..

agreed...

it\'s stupid and useless to become powerfull if you don\'t want to become powerfull

thanks to becoming powerful you are able to help others. Helping others is your main goal, power isn\'t.
you call that stupid?

\"dedicating your life to help others\", are we suddenly talking about good guilds now?

You said it\'s stupid if your goal isn\'t te become more powerfull. Just giving example when it\'s not true. Something wrong with that?

I don\'t see why you people think neutral guilds aren\'t alied in the first place..

agreed here as well: \"Other thing is that neutral guilds already have alliances, so what\'s the point of this thread?\"

btw: why did you quote \"more power = stupid and useless\" - it was just a prove that Dameon is wrong...[/color]

[Axsyrus]

Originally posted by Draklar

it\'s stupid and useless to become powerfull if you don\'t want to become powerfull

thanks to becoming powerful you are able to help others. Helping others is your main goal, power isn\'t.
you call that stupid?

\"dedicating your life to help others\", are we suddenly talking about good guilds now?

You said it\'s stupid if your goal isn\'t te become more powerfull. Just giving example when it\'s not true. Something wrong with that?

I said IF you don\'t want to become powerful, it\'s useless to become powerful. Helping others would be the goal of a good alligned guild, not that of a neutral guild.

[Draklar]

It is stupid and useless if your goal isn\'t to become powerfull..

there, here you have oryginal sentence, now please show me exactly where do you see \"IF you don\'t want to become powerful\"[/color]

[Annah]

First of all ... The Dark Pact also exists as an alliance for some evil guilds (Black Order & Cabal).
 And about your ideas ... heh ... like most of the guys pointed out, neutral means to stay neutral, between two sides. So an alliance? Heh for what? Useless ...

[Draklar]

can\'t you read?

Originally posted by Draklar
for Rangers - aid from mage guild
for AO - spying services and some fighting aid as well
(that\'s possible at least)

both guilds are neutral, right? right!
those guilds are allied, right? right!
each could get something from other, right? right!
cabal could attack one of them and other could to defend, right? right!
so is this alliance useless? by simple logic - NO!
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[Axsyrus]

Originally posted by Draklar

It is stupid and useless -->if<-- your goal isn\'t to become powerfull..

there, here you have oryginal sentence, now please show me exactly where do you see \"IF you don\'t want to become powerful\"[/color]

ok, underlined+bold+italic+arrows, hope you can spot it now  :rolleyes:

[Draklar]

wait bah, I\'m a fool, that\'s not what I meant :|

I wanted to say where do you see \"it\'s stupid and useless to become powerfull\" there (quoted wrong thing =/)

[elscouta]

huh? I can\'t at least...

[edit]But... but ... but ... Draklar admits he was wrong 8o. [/edit]

[Axsyrus]

if your goal isn\'t to become powerful, I think you don\'t want to become powerful, or else your goal would be to become powerful :\\

if you want something you make it your goal, if you don\'t want something you don\'t make it your goal, so I did say it, just in different words..

[Monketh]

Why am I neutral?  Why is my guild neutral?
Like all people we are neither good nor bad, we are the grey.
What the heck is the goal of neutrality?  That will be defined by the actions of the members of the guild.  Currently the guild exists to help it\'s members.

Why do we have alliances?  Gee, I wonder...

Why would I chose not to participate in a grand-neutral-alliance?
It isn\'t needed at the moment.  When a side is slowly winning and is near victory, it will be obvious.  Thusly, alliances will be formed naturally at that time.