Fate or Free will?

[Kuiper7986]

I\'m just interested to anyone that would like to answer this question. There\'s no right or wrong answer just to let you know, I\'m just curious to how some people think of life.

Question is do you believe in fate of free-will?

Fate is the supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events. Meaning do you believe everything in your life has already been planned and whatever happens tomorrow has already been pre-determined?

or

Free-will which is done of one\'s own accord; voluntary. Meaning whatever I do is because of what I do, nothing tells me how to live or how I will live my life. Everything I do is based on my decision and only my decision.

[lynx_lupo]

I\'m scientific, so I say \"both\", depending on what extent/LoD.

[KwartzTheKran]

I dont believe so much in fate, but more, meaning, for lack of a better word.
My beliefs and even the way i live my life are similar to that of \'the dice man\' in that i make decisions based upon signs, dicerolls, and general unusual events during the day etc...
Its not so much that Im a believer in fate and that things will work out for the best, but rather i prefer to avoid the responsibility of running my own life.

(edit: rephrased)

[Maxximus]

There is no way to prove that we live according to a preexisting plan, or fate. We have freewill to do anything we choose as long as we have the means to do it. There is no supernatural power in the universe to help or hinder you - it just you and me.

I\'m cool with it.  :]

I\'m pretty sure I\'ll carry this belief over to role-playing in PS. I\'ll role-play it, though. hehe.

[Kixie]

trying to answer lifes most important questions in a ps forum? thats almost as bad as searching google.com for it. all i have to say is... interesting...

[DepthBlade]

:X Mmm depends on your religion as well Mmm according to what I believe in it would have to be Fate (Catholic) Here is a short example of why, Judis one of the 12 apostles , he betrayed Jesus by kissing him on the cheek so the local army could identify him and arrest him! Well it also says that this was a predetermined event, Jesus knew that he would betrayed and would have to die. So Judis had no control over what he was doing according to scripture, so it must have been fate. Here is a mind boggling question, Judis is a prime evil in history for betraying Jesus Christ. This is also where the Kiss of Death comes from, now if it was predetermined and Judis had no REAL control over the events that occured, is he in Heaven or Hell?

[Karyuu]

Heh... theism....

In Christianity no one really has any freewill anyway. God is omniscient. God knew man would fall, God knew Satan would rebel, etc., etc. And thus God already knows who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and continuing the Christian logic, we are but pawns on a massive divine gameboard.

I don\'t believe in fate or destiny at all. As for freewill, that\'s a term that is as hard to define as \"justice,\" \"love,\" and \"beauty.\" Is freewill the freedom to choose? And just how much of that do we have in this world? Very little. But does that mean that we are woven into some predestined pattern? Bah.

[shadowmancer]

All time exists simultaneously. Therefore, you have freewill, but the future still still exists. Therefore, both.
That\'s what Einstein said anyway, and he\'s a smart guy.

[DepthBlade]

We are all puppets...sad...but true!

[Leander256]

In my humble opinion (of someone who maybe reads too much sci-fi), the future is predetermined. All the universe (and all its dimensions) could stand in one big equation with an insane number of parameters.

But maybe there are sometimes special circumstances in which random events occur, splitting the universe into several worlds, with a different consequence of the event in each of them.

In any case, there\'s no free will as we are just the \"consequences\" of the past. If the random events exist, then at least we can\'t say there\'s a fate, but if they don\'t exist, it\'s only about fate (and a huge equation).

Do I have to precise that I didn\'t make up my mind about it yet? And sorry if I confused some of you.

[Jaxan]

Both.

Fate is not being destined to save the world, but more like \"s--t happens.\" All starts with chaos-theory and ripples outward.

cogito ergo sum
I think therefore I am.
If I am, and I think, I must have freewill. I\'m doing, not viewing.

[Wedge]

Yeah all those issues with time and all that theory stuff makes this a rather moot point.  As it happens, moot is also my favourite word.  Word.

[Monketh]

I\'ve had things happen to me that can be explained as either fate, or free-will with good luck.  I\'d have to say \'both\' though.

[rumblebelly]

well i think lfe\'s most important q\'s is not fate but why are we here...as for fate or free will i believe life consist\'s of both example...it is free will (your chioce) that you buy a lottery ticket it is fate(chance) if you win. thousand\'s of people buy them but only a few win.
and that\'s my two cent\'s(actually that\'s only about a pennies worth of thought)  

[Maxximus]

Monketh went and canceled himself out of the universe with his explanation. Tough deal!    Nice knowing ya, monk.

Karyuu, you are someone I can deal with.

I know we can speak about anything here in this forum but I still want to tie my comments into how I will role-play my ideas.

Explain this to me, anyone: Two guild have some kind of disagreement, probably economic, as most conflict stems from money and the security and power it can bring the person with the most of it.The two guilds cite \"religious\" reasons for their quarrel because it sounds cooler, motivates people, gets em all whipped up, etc. Pretty soon they are at war in the name of god. Question: is this the only reason people play at believing in a god? What other benefits come from being part of this or that relgion, in game, of course.

God bless you, my children.

PS: I perform civil marriage services if anyone is in need. I make them nice and memorable and I do not charge a fee of any kind. I have done it a few times already for couples in Planeshift. So, if you need a humanist - err - Enki-ist, call on me, Maax the Preacherman.