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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2004, 11:51:51 am »
There is only one way to settle this argument build a time machine and study your past self if you do everything exactly the same you have no free will if you do it diffrently you do have free will. Nuf said.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2004, 04:53:57 pm »
i allready built a time machine but it broke down that\'s how i ended up here...and there are specific material\'s that haven\'t been invented yet that i need to fix it but i am working on that... but in the meantime i think i\'ll just mess around with thing\'s here and see what i can change  :D
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2004, 05:00:53 pm »
Mmmm you are all controled by me!! MY WILL BE DONE!! :D
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2004, 08:18:10 am »
like its fate

like in minority report the dude rolls a ball across a surface, it rolls off surface, other dude catches it.

\"why did you catch it?\"
\"cause it was like gonna fall\"
\"but if you hadn\'t caught it would it still of fallen?\"

or sumtin like dat

and then he like couldnt of \"not caught it\" because he \"did catch it\" and there is only one way for things to happen

 and ya... and .... screw this lol.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2004, 08:22:53 am »
I personally don\'t believe in fate.  I don\'t like to think that everything I do has been pre-determined :P

IMO, everything that people think of as fate is based on coincidence and luck.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2004, 08:38:39 am »
whoa that was fast *runs off to irc*
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2004, 05:27:34 pm »
If you could predict where every atom in the universe is and you could estimate there tragotory then you could look into the future.
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2004, 11:21:32 pm »
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If you could predict where every atom in the universe is and you could estimate there tragotory then you could look into the future.


Of those atoms, maybe. But it\'s going to take a lot of... stupidifyingly immense powers to look at the Big Picture and actually make sense of the mess.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2004, 11:28:34 pm »
One French scientist believed that everything, even thought, could be predicted... but then quantum theory came along.

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I personally don\'t believe in fate.  I don\'t like to think that everything I do has been pre-determined :P

IMO, everything that people think of as fate is based on coincidence and luck.

And even if fate does exist, it betters your life not to believe in it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2004, 11:36:32 pm »
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And even if fate does exist, it betters your life not to believe in it.


Not believe in what exists? That\'s ridiculous :P

(Not that I\'m saying fate exists. But that statement of yours is truly pure madness ;D)
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2004, 11:50:39 pm »
Free will, definitely.

Quantum Theory supports that too, I think.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2004, 12:03:04 am »
How could anyone beleive in both at the same time? Your every event in life is either pre-determined or not. Time is like our numerical system, there is no end and no beginning and it is impossible for people to understand the concept of infinity both ways because life is the only thing that has a beginning and an end.

Personally, I beleive in coincidences. Everything ever is nothing more than a coincidence. Think about it. It is very possible that a man could have found the love of his life if not she was killed in a car accident he was completely oblivious to at the age of ten. Life on earth would not have been possible if it were any closer to mars because all the water, the theorized birth of the first life form, would have been completely frozen. If Walt Disney\'s mother didnt die from carbon monoxide poisoning in her own home when he was a teen, he never would have changed his goals and produce one of the most successful businesses of man-kind.

Just think about what we could be missing out from today if technology was never put to an almost halt during medieval times to practice and war over religion.
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2004, 01:57:51 am »
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Not believe in what exists? That\'s ridiculous :P

(Not that I\'m saying fate exists. But that statement of yours is truly pure madness ;D)

Whether you believe something alters the way you live. For example, even if God does not exist, very religious people are  generally better people.

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How could anyone beleive in both at the same time? Your every event in life is either pre-determined or not. Time is like our numerical system, there is no end and no beginning and it is impossible for people to understand the concept of infinity both ways because life is the only thing that has a beginning and an end.

How about this: The future exists, but you had/have a part in it\'s determination. Is predetermination not simply the existance of future events? That\'s what Einstein said. That\'s both.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2004, 02:11:58 am »
The future is there, but its nothing more than the results of our current actions. If there is any predetermination at all, thats fate 100%. If there is fate at all, how would fate descriminate between the big events to be the fate and the small events that lead to that big event are ours to control? To make such decisions, you would need a higher power, a god, a quick way of beleiving how the universe works.

(Einstein was a smart guy, but just because he said it doesnt mean its right. He did fail math in school you know.)
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2004, 02:13:24 am »
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The future is there, but its nothing more than the results of our current actions.

There. You just agreed with Einstein. Like you said, smart guy. So, where does your opinion differ?
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