Author Topic: Can Krans bleed?  (Read 11780 times)

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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2004, 02:20:55 pm »
Return to your farms, pesants! Continue to think of Krans as magic beings, as you have been rightfully taught! This place is a place of madmen and philosophers, not for the likes of you! (Please refrain from burning this place down though...That means no flaming for those of you who didn\'t understand).

Right, now that they\'re out of the way, lets try and reson out blood.

To understand blood, we\'ll have to delve into what makes a Kran tick.

Where does a Kran get energy? What are the minerals the Kran would have to eat?
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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2004, 02:28:18 pm »
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You can think whatever you want, \"it\'s magic!\" but have you ever thought that it might actually be fun to think of how something works other then saying \"it\'s magic!\"?


Let\'s not lose sight of the fact that Talad magically created this race from ordinary rock. ;) Next thing you know, everyone will start arguing \"how did he do that?\"
« Last Edit: April 24, 2004, 02:29:34 pm by Moogie »

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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2004, 02:34:46 pm »
Science was considered magic back in the middle ages.

What if this magic in PS is science which we yet have to discover?
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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2004, 02:50:03 pm »
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Next thing you know, everyone will start arguing \"how did he do that?\"


That\'s a good point... How the hell did he do that?!
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« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2004, 02:51:11 pm »
Magic is always only \'undiscovered science\'. But this is a fantasy game, anything goes, people arn\'t supposed to ask questions about every little detail. Especially since we, the players, are supposed to be in with this setting, and if this was RP we wouldn\'t even consider the possibility that magic wasn\'t the answer.

Just think of it as a religion. ;)

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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2004, 02:52:27 pm »
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You know what Aendar? And all you other people who go \"It\'s magic! No more explanation is needed, surely?\" are all living in medieval times. Which is alright since this is a medieval game. Here\'s an idea...While we\'re at it, let\'s pretend it\'s all the matrix so it doesn\'t have to make sense!

First, the Matrix makes sense, watch it again.
Second, are you asking for realism in a MMORPG with elves, stone-creatures and magically spawned crystals?
Everything doesn\'t need an explanation, just float with it.
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« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2004, 03:28:12 pm »
We\'re not trying to find the realistic aspects in PS, what we\'re doing, is trying to understand the Krans better. Why are we doing it? Because it\'s fun.

Btw, elves can be explained scientifically, and the so-called \'magically\' spawned crystals can too... But that should go on another thread.
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« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2004, 05:41:32 pm »
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We\'re not trying to find the realistic aspects in PS, what we\'re doing, is trying to understand the Krans better. Why are we doing it? Because it\'s fun.

Btw, elves can be explained scientifically, and the so-called \'magically\' spawned crystals can too... But that should go on another thread.

Those should be rather interesting explanations, just as interesting as how Krans can live.
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« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2004, 07:58:17 pm »
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Who the hell said blood must be organic?

Water, filled with minerals and metals and various other chemical compounds. A chemical for sealing wounds, and a chemical for transportation of various things.

There\'s the krans\' blood.


You can think whatever you want, \"it\'s magic!\" but have you ever thought that it might actually be fun to think of how something works other then saying \"it\'s magic!\"?


Silicon-based molecules are not organic by definition.  So, of course a Kran could not be considered organic in the least.

But, blood, by definition, is organic.

\"Blood: Major fluid transport medium of many animal groups [...] Comprises an aqueous mixture of substances in solution [...] in which are suspended cells [...] Blood is moved by muscle contraction in some of the vessels it pulses through.  Hearts are such specialized vessels.\"

From: Dictionary of Biological Terms, 12th Ed.

So they can\'t have blood.  The Kran would lack:

a) Soluble, complex molecules could not be formed.  Silicon compounds are not soluble in water.
b) Silicon-based cellular structures are impossible.  Therefore there could be no muscles, nor contracting vessels.  So the blood wouldn\'t be able to flow, rendering it completely useless.

Perhaps you don\'t understand the purpose; the purpose was to figure out if Kran bleed.  They can\'t, it would be impossible.

Therefore, you\'d have to chalk it up to magic.  You can attempt to explain things, but this is unexplanable.  The Kran would have to be magically animate, because as it stands, any system involving: a) complex molecules, b) cellular structures would be impossible.

About all Kran would be capable of having is form and perhaps some sort of neural system somewhat like silicon-chipsets, although there\'d be no storage devices or functionality, since those are not made of silicon-based products.

It may be fun to think of reasons why something works, but in this case, it\'s futile -- give up.

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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2004, 08:34:07 pm »
silicon is about the closest you can get to carbon, element-wise.. so there\'s a slight possibility (a possibility greater than any other elemental based life, except for carbon of course) that silicon based \"life\" can be found somewhere in the universe..

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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2004, 12:26:48 am »
Right...Yes, ok. So, as a conclusion to this thread, let\'s recap:

-> Krans do not have lava blood.
-> Krans do not have blood.
-> Krans cannot exist, but do so magically.
-> They are Silicon-based, though this could be just a figure of speech.
-> They crumble when hit.

Right...Anyone want to add something else?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2004, 12:27:28 am by karakth »
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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2004, 10:44:58 pm »
- Immune to poison/disease (which means that said posions/diseases have no biological systems on which to effect)
- Resistant/Immune to magic which, ironically, is supposed to have created them.
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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2004, 08:33:04 pm »
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Magic is always only \'undiscovered science\'. But this is a fantasy game, anything goes, people arn\'t supposed to ask questions about every little detail. Especially since we, the players, are supposed to be in with this setting, and if this was RP we wouldn\'t even consider the possibility that magic wasn\'t the answer.

Just think of it as a religion. ;)


something like i said. ya know anything goes.
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« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2004, 10:38:59 pm »
Btw, does anyone know what the Krans\' \"different means of reproduction are?

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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2004, 10:49:02 pm »
I think someone tried to think what it means in one of the posts here...
And no, I don\'t think anyone knows... Except, maybe, Talad.
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