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« Reply #90 on: November 29, 2004, 03:52:44 am »
Cutting out science of any form ( not saying i dont love it but this is a fantasy game after all) i believe that Kran should crack. They could possibly repair their cracks by eating stone. When they die they should leave behind rubble.


Kran + hammer = Large pile of rock dust =-)
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« Reply #91 on: November 29, 2004, 04:37:41 am »
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I think it doesn\'t matter because Kran were made of stone, by magic, and that\'s the way they are. Who cares if they are liquid inside or have lavablood or green hairs growing all over them. The point is that they\'re there, they have great magic resistance and such things shouldn\'t be questioned, just accepted. Makes things so much easier.

While it may make things easier, it also is unsatisfactory, at least to me. IMO it doesn\'t need to be perfectly realistic, but it also shouldn\'t be \"it\'s like that because... it\'s like that.\".


True it may be unsatisfactory for you, but there are still things which should not, and can not be explained, such as why is the universe so big and why does it keep expanding? Sure I know it\'s because God keep buying new hardware for his computer toy, but still... If you saw a walking pile of rocks while you were downtown, doing your shopping or whatever, what would you think? Magic perhaps? So why should Yliakum be so much diffrent? After all, the Yliakum history states that Talad used the magic of the crystal to create people in his image, and so he did. They\'re made of rock, and if you hit them hard enough, they break. Just like humans. So does it really matter that much how they work, or if the answer is so vitally important to you, why not simply ask the devs and have them tell you either \"Dunno\", \"NDA, sorry\" or \"Neenerneenernuuuuuhjhuhuhujublipblip\" (they\'re crazy, I know :) )... But that\'s just a suggestion. Anyway, I really don\'t see how arguing back and forward with a lot of people who really have no clue helps to answer your question, so maybe you should consider a more drastic/aggressive approach... kind of thing. You know... :)


[Edit: Then again... I just remembered that it is in the human nature to cut things open to see how they work and then try to put them back together, only to realise they failed miserably so now it doesn\'t work anymore... Oh well. Too bad the models don\'t bleed in CB, or I could\'ve at least told you what color it is... But I guess that would be NDA stuff. Anyway, enough nonsense.]
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« Reply #92 on: November 29, 2004, 10:50:20 am »
This thread made me want to create and host a planeshift fan page.

a fitting name would have been ps-science.net

this site would discusse the scientific aspect of the settings. it would also contain all the settings and info about all races, towns, crystals etc.

Though I dont think I have time to do it:P

Anyway, if you want a forum dedicated to such discussions, rather then always get interupted by everyone, i can host a forum for that sole purpose.

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« Reply #93 on: November 29, 2004, 12:40:46 pm »
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I just did some in depth searching and came up with this. It could still be wrong though but it looked legit.

Melting point: 1414 ?C, 2577 ?F

Boiling point: 2900 ?C, 5252 ?F


Encording to TI-32 Plus SE\'s Periodic table of eliments.
Silicon (Si) has a Melting point of 1414?C
and a Boiling point of 3265?C (in one atmosphares preasure, other words, at sealevel)
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« Reply #94 on: November 29, 2004, 09:38:42 pm »
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True it may be unsatisfactory for you, but there are still things which should not, and can not be explained, such as why is the universe so big and why does it keep expanding?

There are theories about the first questions, and the second one AFAIK has been answered. :P
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Sure I know it\'s because God keep buying new hardware for his computer toy, but still...

LOL! Yes, The 13th Floor / The Matrix might also be the answer. We might also just be an MMORPG ourselves.
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If you saw a walking pile of rocks while you were downtown, doing your shopping or whatever, what would you think? Magic perhaps?

No, I\'d probably go \"Huh? WTF?!? *hides at safe distance* Whatit? How does it work? *observes*\". :D
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So why should Yliakum be so much diffrent? After all, the Yliakum history states that Talad used the magic of the crystal to create people in his image, and so he did.

Yes, it may be sufficient to the inhabitants of Yliakum (though I doubt it\'ll be sufficient for all of them).
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They\'re made of rock, and if you hit them hard enough, they break. Just like humans. So does it really matter that much how they work, or if the answer is so vitally important to you, why not simply ask the devs and have them tell you either \"Dunno\", \"NDA, sorry\" or \"Neenerneenernuuuuuhjhuhuhujublipblip\" (they\'re crazy, I know :) )... But that\'s just a suggestion. Anyway, I really don\'t see how arguing back and forward with a lot of people who really have no clue helps to answer your question, so maybe you should consider a more drastic/aggressive approach... kind of thing. You know... :)

Well, I believe the dev\'s answer would be \"dunno\", because otherwise they\'d have included it on the settings page. Therefore, I try to come up with some explanation to fill that vacuum. By arguing about it existing ideas can be verified and refined and new ones can be evaluated and added. I don\'t expect that this will lead to a 100% scientifically correct and working solution, but maybe about 80%, which IMO is way better than \"dunno\". ;)
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[Edit: Then again... I just remembered that it is in the human nature to cut things open to see how they work and then try to put them back together, only to realise they failed miserably so now it doesn\'t work anymore... Oh well.

:D So what if someone RPs a scientist who just cut open a Kran? They would know, so it adds to RP options. Also, you don\'t end up with one Kran RPing acid blood, one other RPing lava blood and another one RPing no blood.
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Too bad the models don\'t bleed in CB, or I could\'ve at least told you what color it is... But I guess that would be NDA stuff. Anyway, enough nonsense.]

Which means that no species has any blood! ;)

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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2004, 06:30:44 am »
i dont think they should bleed, i think they should just get temporary marks on their bodies
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« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2004, 07:14:47 am »
Seytra, you DO know that SiO2 is quartz, right? Dont ask me how I know that... :\\
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« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2004, 04:12:32 am »
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Seytra, you DO know that SiO2 is quartz, right?

So? Can you please quote the sentence(s) of mine that you are referring to by this? :)

Anyway, I know that quartz is one form that SiO2 can take, yes.
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« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2004, 12:43:40 am »
Seytra, maybe one day you\'ll learn to let things be.
Hopefully not though, the discussions are particularly interesting.
I myself feel that they shouldn\'t bleed, they should just chip and crack and then slowly repair. I think of Kran as constructs (ala D&D), and not organic, and I don\'t think Golems etc. bleed?
It\'s just thinking (slowly), animated rock in my opinion.

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They bleed energy
« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2004, 02:54:14 pm »
Krans are made of silicon and they eat minerals.
It does not make good sense to propose a inner system close to the human, or to neglect the question with a mythical solution.

Humans, are in some way not more then machines.
Or thoughts are electrons jumping around in nurel networks in the brain.
Humans obtain the energy from the food (Sun energi stored as sugar)
 
Krans use their genuine silicon skin to obtain sun energy directly without the photo syntheses. The Kran silicon skin, works like the silicon in solar powerplants.
The Kran mucel are special fibers reacting to power stimulation

Krans have a magnetic tubes distrubing minerals in the body.

Does Kran bleed?
They bleed energy, and minerals.

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« Reply #100 on: December 09, 2004, 04:31:43 pm »
Krans are Frankenstines of Planeshift.  Was Frankenstine a human?  Partially yes.  Do we need to know the details how he was alive?  No, not really.
Rock Golems, Do we need to know how pieces of stones are combined to a giant fighting machine?  No, not really.

Although Krans are special case in sense that they are not just some summons, but actually intelligent beings, player characters. I believe its sufficient to think that they are magically created to have a functional organism that will last them a life time and have an intellect sufficient to function in society.

A more interesting question would be, why were they created, for what purpose, when and by who.

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« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2004, 12:45:43 am »
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A more interesting question would be, why were they created, for what purpose, when and by who.

But since these questions have been answered on the settings page, they\'re not worthy of discussion anymore.

While I agree that it isn\'t strictly necessary to know how every single monster works, it is still quite a different matter with playable races, simply because you need to make highly detailed models and effects based on this, and you also need to be able to RP.

@ Uitra: This might actually be the case. Quartz, which is a form that SiO2 can take, will contract if energy is applied, so millions of tiny quartzes could be assembled to form a muscle-like actuator. Solar panels are mainly made up of silicone as well. Therefore, Kran might indeed be electrical, except for their digestion. Their brains would be computer-like. I, however, don\'t think that they\'d have magnetic tubes, because almost all minerals aren\'t magnetic. The tubes could, however, be actuated by mucle-like structures made from quartz, that mechanically distribute the minerals, which immediately brings us the answer to the question of their blood: it\'d be extremely fine-ground minerals in this case.
Furthermore, this might even explain why magic doesn\'t work on them: the spells are constructed to work on organic lifeforms, not on machines. Therefore, it would be a matter of adapting the spells to make them as effective on Kran as on other beings. Also, they\'d have problems surviving in the dark.
The only problem is that the race description states that they also make use of the oxygen-binding feature of silicon, which implies something that is \"organic-like\", not electrical, therefore I don\'t think that Kran work by electricity, at least not solely.
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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2004, 09:02:02 pm »
Oxygen could be used during the breaking down of minerals? Cooling? Possibly some silicon based compound that needs Oxygen during the reaction between it and Energy (This compound doesnt need to exist in real life - Not everything needs to be plausable!)

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« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2004, 11:54:22 pm »
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Rock Golems, Do we need to know how pieces of stones are combined to a giant fighting machine? No, not really.


Rock Golems are not fighting machines and we know how they where ment to work. Made by clay and made to work by holy words.

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« Reply #104 on: December 13, 2004, 04:57:52 pm »
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But since these questions have been answered on the settings page, they\'re not worthy of discussion anymore.


Oh yeah?  Hmm, it says Krans are created by Talad, they are born underground, they never seen light.  Maybe there more that i missed.. So up to now there\'s still my questions such as why they were created, when they were created.  Maybe when is not as important as why...