Public Hangings

[tygerwilde]

I still love the way that griefing was taken care of in DAoC... when someone was training monsters on lowbies, the devs liked to random spawn a HUGE monster on the escape route and set aggro to full on that character.

[Zeraph]

I am sorry for brining up the pk thing, it was a quick thought & stuff, I like the Exile Idea, & you will have to pay in stats only, no money? or unless a really ridiculous fine like all of the players money or something?

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Zeraph
you will have to pay in stats only, no money?

Paying in stats? You mean get your exp lowered for commiting an IC crime? Hell no.

Think about it, a player plays a character that most people will prefer not playing. His character keeps getting punished for it, but it\'s actually good for the game. It\'s good to have honest people in a game, but if you don\'t have dishonest ones, what\'s so fun about the game?

I\'m not saying that they shouldn\'t be punished, but these punishments should be reasonable, so that most people won\'t do it, but some will.

[DepthBlade]

How would that work I want to know that? You get hanged then what? You go to the hell level and work your way back tto the real world? So basicly it would be like dieing by any other circumstance? We shouldn\'t incorporate that kind of stuff for players maybe for NPCS it would be alright but not players, put us in a dungeon cell for a ammount of time if anything!

[Toadhead]

The game state-of-conflict that I played had public executions. That was pretty cool

In that game warped to an arena, some lions were waiting for you to kill you in there while others were looking at it and were enjoying how you are gonna die.. good old times

[SaintNuclear]

Getting slaughtered infront of many people isn\'t much of a punishment.
I mean, ok, you died, now what? You\'ll just come back and do the same thing again.

[Icefalcon]

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. And those who are in favor of permament character death are crazy! Why in the world would anyone want that?!

[tygerwilde]

it prevents griefers from taking over. it\'s a system that allows pkers to do what they want to do, but only if they can deal with the consequences of getting caught at it. it\'s the only instance where permadeath would be implemented, and it wouldn\'t be for \"first timers\", but for those who have racked up a death count.

[SaintNuclear]

permdeath should be the IC mirror of permban wich is OOC.
What I mean, is that when someone gets banned, his character will be \'dead\'. When people will talk between themselves IC about a banned person, they wouldn\'t say \'banned\' because it\'s not IC, so they\'ll say he died.
But banning should be an OOC punishment, not an IC bpunishment, so let\'s just drop it.

[Cirque]

Then I ride in on my trusty steed, sword swinging, slaying evil foes as I whisk the frightened damsel away to safety... Oh sorry wrong thread.

[Ionas]

Originally posted by SaintNuclear
But banning should be an OOC punishment, not an IC bpunishment, so let\'s just drop it.

Why cant it be both? If someone is banned his character might be thrown before some wild animals or get his head chopped off. Or other penalties like hanging.

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Ionas

Originally posted by SaintNuclear
But banning should be an OOC punishment, not an IC bpunishment, so let\'s just drop it.

Why cant it be both? If someone is banned his character might be thrown before some wild animals or get his head chopped off. Or other penalties like hanging.

You haven\'t read the whole post, have you?

Originally posted by SaintNuclear permdeath should be the IC mirror of permban wich is OOC.
What I mean, is that when someone gets banned, his character will be \'dead\'. When people will talk between themselves IC about a banned person, they wouldn\'t say \'banned\' because it\'s not IC, so they\'ll say he died.

They were talking about usign permanent death as a punishment. I don\'t think it\'s right to close a certain character because he did \'bad\' stuff IC.
I said that permdeath should mean that the character is banned, wich is an OOC punishment (e.g. troll).
I didn\'t say how it should look IC (or rather, in-world), so it\'s possible that a banned character will be thrown into some arena with lions and get eaten and never come back, whatever.

But I don\'t think that a banned character should be used as entertainment on how he gets his permdeath.
If you want it because \'it\'s realistic\', this isn\'t the game for you, and you\'re wrong. Not every medieval town killed people for doing \'bad\' things.
If you want it because \'it\'s cool\', get a life. What\'s so exciting about watching someone getting ripped apart by lions, or getting hung? Do you think it makes you an evil person? No, just a poser.


In conclusion - Punishing by death is:
* Stupid.
* Inefficiant.
* Too much to program without giving any satisfaction.
* Will only entertain people that say \"ooh, look at me! I\'m evil! I like watching people getting torn to pieces!!!!!\".
* Idiotic.
* Serve absolutely no purpose.

[Zeraph]

No Graphic or pointless things Related to Death! ? Although I think a PvP coliseum may be good for ?Jail? or something, If you get caught for stealing & you have other stolen items you should have them taken away?

Maybe a money penalty can be 20% of your current wealth or something?

we can have \"police auctions\" for stolen goods, but call it something else, what did they used to do with stolen property that cannot be returned?

[Ionas]

SaintNuclear, of course i read your whole post. Nowhere you said why banning shouldn\'t be IC punishment.

Well your right about a couple of things, in medieval times there was no common law system, towns and cities mostly had there own way of dealing with criminals. But penalty by death was common in some places.
Seeing someone fight monsters to death would be fun for the same reason watching a box match is fun to some but i admit it gets boring after a while. Only what has it to do with being evil?

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Zeraph
Maybe a money penalty can be 20% of your current wealth or something?

Something like this could, theoretically, harm rich people as much as it harms poor ones. But it won\'t.

Think about it this way:
Take 20% of the money that a certain beggar have.
Now take 20% of the money that one of the richest people in Yliakum has.
The rich person will be affected less than the poor guy. Sure, he\'ll lose alot of money, but he owns many buisnesses, and could get the money back sooner or later.

Also, the rich person probebly won\'t risk tainting his good reputation, and send someone else to do his dirty work for him.

Originally posted by Zeraph
we can have \"police auctions\" for stolen goods

You mean that if someone stole something from you, and the thief was caught, you\'ll have to bid to get your stuff back?




Ionas, hmm, I\'m pretty sure I posted it somewhere here... Sorry  :O
And it don\'t have much to do with evil. It\'s just that there are these kids that think that liking death and body parts makes them evil, hence \'kewl\'. You know, 12 years old suburbian white trashes that try to bring up demons and stuff :rolleyes:
These kind will usually try to make anything have stuff about bodies getting ripped apart, etc... Just wanted to make sure PS isn\'t going in that direction