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DepthBlade

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From heros to zeros!
« on: May 20, 2004, 07:14:32 pm »
Is anyone else getting tired of logging onto a browser or turning on the television and seeing the war on Iraq? Well maybe this will just be put out to North Americans because I have no idea if its being publicized as much in other places..

  I just started to look through some of these pictures of U.S Marines torturing and gloating over dead bodies, and my stomach just turned its wrong!

Here is example of a american solider gloating over a dead Iraq body!


 As much as I hate the American Government and the decisions they make, the USA is the major power in a world and bring us many good things but I am not seeing good in them anymore. I always had a bad view onto your government and some of your gangs,clans, cults and what not never really labeled you all as the same thing but its starting to kick in now that I see your soliders which were civilians of your country doing what they are doing! Maybe I am just overreacting, I still can\'t label you all as sadistic crazy mofos (only Sep :], not sure where he is from though) Anyways I can\'t see much good from USA anymore, being blocked out by all the bad lately! I think its time for the American people to overthrow their government and check themselves!

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2004, 07:27:06 pm »
I kinda agree with you, but isn\'t this against an unofficial rule of not starting political discussions or something? There are so many discussions about Iraq and its so often in the news (afghanistan is almost forgotten it seems) its like an old record that keeps being replayed.
We\'ve heared everything about Iraq by now. Im going to wait and see while the Iraq situation is crumbling day by day and can\'t be ignored by the American people anymore. Will be fun to see Bush kicked out of the white hous. Wouldn\'t surprise me if in the future in history books its recorded that he was the worst president the USA ever had.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2004, 07:28:37 pm »
I think this being the Hydlaa Plaza, we should be aloud to talk about whatever we want! This has been such a big thing as of late I wouldn\'t mind getting opinions of other people and discussing them further on their thoughts!

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2004, 07:37:45 pm »
Oh its allowed alright, only there is also an unwritten code of behavior. If you want to discuss Iraq and politics, thats fine by me. Maybe if ill even post in this topic a few times.
Anyway i am interested in the opinions of the PS members, especially those of Americans since ive heard those of dutch people more then enough by now.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2004, 07:38:57 pm »
USA have more than 500 million population how can you judge a countrys political system after what some small group of american soldiers do?
I know it\'s not looking too bright for Bush around the world but small things like the POW-torture have nothing to do with him.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2004, 07:39:28 pm by Niber »
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2004, 07:53:30 pm »
people -> government. If the government is flawed, so is the majority of the people (behind them).

I lost faith in the USA a long time ago; there were bigger \"mistakes\" made and bigger wrongs left uncorrected.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2004, 08:45:16 pm »
I totally agree with Lynx..

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2004, 08:54:47 pm »
Kinda pisses me off that they are the reason this has all happened did they not leave Sadaam Hussein in power back in the day? Correct me if I am wrong but didn\'t they put him up in that position?

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2004, 08:58:07 pm »
I believe they assisted him with weapons, and didn\'t interfere when he made his assault on the iraqi government.. But I\'m not that well versed in the history of iraq

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2004, 08:58:31 pm »
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I think this being the Hydlaa Plaza, we should be aloud to talk about whatever we want!

Maybe we should be allowed to talk about whatever we want here, but do you really think a political argument is a right idea? Even if we won\'t degrade into flaming it won\'t come out good.



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Sep is a brit.



I don\'t really read news, or watch tv, so I can\'t really be sure. But afaik the media here pretty much forgot it. They probebly cover big stories like the torturing thing, but aside from that the media here focuses mostly on domestic stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2004, 09:05:23 pm »
Seps a brit? That explains alot :] No hate towards the brits, thats where my ancestors came from!

Yah most discussions somehow turn to flaming against each other! Hopefully this one can stay away from that!

OT: I can\'t help but feel the only reason USA is in Iraq is to protect their investment in oil resource! Now if they have gone this far to protect a oil resource will they do the same with any other country for any other resource?

After pearl harbor USA made some law or something about not standing back and waiting for the attack (It isn\'t said like that but its got the same idea, they take action before action is taken on them kinda thing! They stayed neutral before so)
So it makes me somewhat nervous that if they have a feeling something bad is happening in another country that can affect them, they will march on in overthrow the place, make accusations that are false and in the end accomplish what for that country? Anarchy?

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2004, 09:11:38 pm »
Well first off you cant judge all americans by the actions of a few. Thats like saying because Saddam hussien was bad all iraqis are bad.

And secondly the people that did those things are being severly punished.

Finally if the government is bad the poeple are bad?
Thats not nessisarily true. It\'s a fact that power corrupts just bacause soem high up is a bad person doesn\'t mean that we all are. Stop just listening to your media\'s propaganda and take what they say with a grain of salt.

All you are talking about is what we do. What about the video they sent our government of then cutting of the head of one of their american prisoners?
They sawed that mans head off! That isn\'t brutal?

What they have been doing to women for years isn\'t bad?  We are only trying to make the situation a little better.  

Anyway it kinda pisses me off that someone would do something like that but I get more pissed off when people act like its my fault because I\'m american.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2004, 09:24:05 pm »
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So it makes me somewhat nervous that if they have a feeling something bad is happening in another country that can affect them, they will march on in overthrow the place, make accusations that are false and in the end accomplish what for that country? Anarchy?


Funny that you mention that :). The USA doesn\'t acknowledge the international court of justice so there soldiers can\'t be prosecuted by it for crimes against humanity. They have declared that they might even get their americans out by force would he be hold in custody in the hague. So perhaps one day holland is invaded by the USA.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2004, 10:01:18 pm »
actually according to my passport(s) i am american and a brit

born in the us both mom and dad from the uk  twisted evil and all conquing tecincallyty rolled up into one huge ball and let looses \\o\\\\o//o/


the war was about oil not Weps of MASS destruction thats all i have to say


stop talking about me everyone starting to weird me out with the talking >.>

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2004, 10:18:20 pm »
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Anyway it kinda pisses me off that someone would do something like that but I get more pissed off when people act like its my fault because I\'m american.


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Depthblade & others, I hate to say this, but...

You need to Shut the f*ck up!


European news agencies know that europeans will watch stories about things that interest them.  This includes (but is not limited to) all kinds of bad news about Iraq.  You didn\'t support the war, so any bad news from it is plastered all over your televisions for ratings!

Secondly: I hope you were joking about a government overthrow, because if you aren\'t, then my view of your intelligence has degraded beyond comprehension. -_-

3: The Oil for Food program was a sham for your politicians to get rich.  Deal with it.

4: Being abused and having your head sawed off AND THE VIDEO SHOWN ON THE WEB are two vastly different degrees of punishment.  How some people fail to understand this bothers me.

5: Sharon would not be prime minister of Israel if the palestinians would stop blowing themselves up and massacreing civilians.  Then the Israelis wouldn\'t be so paranoid and the whole thing would stop.  You\'d be crazy too if you were under constant theat of death.  Domestic scandals can\'t kick a prime minister like him out until the Israelis feel safe.  
Why can\'t they all just protest peacefully, then no-one (not even I) would like Israel, they\'d be forced into creating a palestinian state.

6: Even if the pretexts for the war in Iraq were fabricated, we are going to stay there to prevent a militarist, radical islamist dictatorship.

7: Note that gas prices are going up in the US, not down.  If the war was for Oil, would this be happening? No.
(Yes I know European Petrol is really expensive, but you people did that to yourselves.  Furthurmore, unlike Europe where everything is located in cities with miles of countryside, there is actually a need for cars here.  Not hummers, of course.)

8: You do realise that people are living off some of the benefits for the unemployed over in Euro-land, why can\'t you just make them get jobs?

9: Bush will not be remembered as the worst president in American history.  The right half of the nation will probably look back fondly.

10: You can\'t judge the actions of an entire army by the actions of a few soldiers.  It took a soldier himself to report these abuses to his commanding officers!
Bush is not responsible for actions he did not know about. -_-
Soldiers generally are those who can not yet find or afford a better job.  

11: If you don\'t like America, quit whining and stop buying products distributed by American companies.

12: If you don\'t like America, move here and change it.

13: \"CNN has not confirmed the identity of the body in the pictures, but it is believed the man died at Abu Ghraib prison.\"  Which is the prison with the abuses, gee, I wonder why it happened there?

14: I\'ll quote Niber here: \"USA have more than 500 million population how can you judge a countrys political system after what some small group of american soldiers do?
I know it\'s not looking too bright for Bush around the world but small things like the POW-torture have nothing to do with him.\"

15: There\'s a man called Chalabi* who was in the employ of the US gov\'t.  He gave false information on WMD\'s.

Lastly: It is clear to me that DB either conciously chose to create a Hate-America thread, or he actually intentioned it to have valid arguments and accidently created one.


I feel much better now.  

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