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Mr. GworthoX

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Char Creation in CB
« on: July 12, 2004, 04:10:05 pm »
Euh.....could be that somebody else already thought about it, but I\'ve must been hiding in the Taverne when it was posted ;)

As all of us, I\'m looking forward to CB. So to spend my time usefull, I looked at the Char. creation, to look what skills and abbilities I\'m going to use in the upcomming release. (as far as it\'s the same in MB).
So I will be ready to go when CB is there.

*Willing to cancel my holliday*

But......I wonderd if the abbilitie: Rich, veryrich and Magical Item would be still there. And if......would the /buddy give still work?

(I\'m asking, cause it worries me a bit, that it would be possible to make Multiple Shadow-Chars.....only to give there starting stuff to your Main char.....wich will result in........well....I\'ll guess I don\'t have to say).


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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2004, 04:46:47 pm »
i dont know about you but my comp is way to crappy. i can barely run one client at a time, much less 2, cuz im assuming that both chars would both have to be logged on at the same time. so, you would either need a freind to have a multi and you do the same for him, or you would need like two comps w/ internet connections in your house if ur comp\'s as crappy as mine.  so i other words, i have no idea what their gonna do about it, i just know they wont have to worry about me doing that :)

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2004, 09:26:48 pm »
Ah, nice to have someone who is a forward thinker. I\'m not sure of exactly how the devs are going to handle this, but I know a few things-
- every charactor will be linked to a real email address. So either you have to make a new email for each one of these guys, or the devs would notice that you just made 10 new chacators in 15 minutes.
- the buddy system ,and a bnch of the commands will be differnent, so you most likely have to walk up to anouther person to give them things, unlike how it is now that you can send people stuff when they are offline.
- If money is transfered from MB to CB, those advatages might not mean as much.. so they might be taken out.

Also, I noticed that the whole last page was rife with mistakes- you can take the same disadvantage as advantage, you can take all off them, etc. So maybe the devs should change/remove that....

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 11:56:45 pm »
Yeah......quess they change the layout/screen anyway cause it must have \"then CB looks\"

I also noticed that if you choose a pre-defined char, you get in some cases much more points. (the enchanter has 3 magical was leveld up to lvl 2.
Anyway.....How it will be....I think only the Future (or LaanX) can tell.

/me goes back to the taverne.....takes another ale, and dreams about....the things that will come.





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i dont know about you but my comp is way to crappy

Well.....My Comp is pretty ok. I never tried running two clients, but I think it should be ok. (so.....just drop by if yours fail and share a keyboard with me ;) ).


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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2004, 12:06:11 am »
For the monetary advantages not to have effect due to money transfer from MB to CB you\'d need to make sure that

1) only the ppl. who are currently there will be in CB and that

2) the exchange rate is so high that the extra money will not be worth the effort. (which would be crap for any new player (and me, as I can\'t currently collect crystals due to crappy computer)
Seeing, however, that ppl. cheated for crystals even when they were _not_ transferred, I doubt there can be so few incentive to keep ppl. from doing it. :(

For the time being, an IP check might be functional, but later on would of course hinder many NATed players.

Therefore, my hopes rest on Paladin JR...

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2004, 11:54:39 am »
No....I think some ppl got my message wrong.

I\'m not talking about the crystalls that ppl own at the moment. (I don\'t have an oppinion about the transfering the current crystalls to trias........well I do have an oppinion. but that\'s not the point) *).

I\'m talking about the following \"Glitch\" that can make you rich without any effort:

1) create a Main Char.
2) Create a other Char, with the very rich option. (means: has start with 500 Tria)
3) Give money from other Char to main Char.
4) Repeat step 2 and 3 till you think you got enhough.

Note: with 90 times you have a healthy, trained pterosaur ;) .

Hope ppl now got what I meant.

(about the email adress: If you own a domain....(or know hotmail look-a-like\'s ....it wouldn\'t work).

(About IP filtering: you already talked about NAT (not to mention two brothers playing same PC, or ppl with Dyn-ip adressing).



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(ok...for those who are curious: I believe that ppl who supported the community for so long with playing (and collecting) may have someting back from it.
I\'m not one of them...so I won\'t be rich either. But it\'s not fair to say as a starter that you think it\'s fair if all players start with 0. (besides....you can\'t do that. It would mean every time a new player would be created, the currency will have to be reset :D
So, some Players will be rich, others will be poor. but he.....that\'s life you know?
With an MMORPG you will always have differentces between \"newbies\" and \"oldbies\", between \"regular\" and \"rare\" players, between \"farmers\" and \"kings\"  That\'s what an MMORPG makes a MMORPG.

Without the ppl playing for 3 years, Planeshift would be a R.I.P. community. (if no ppl are interested..............).
So to my oppinion: .....well......I think I made myself clear :8


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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2004, 02:10:18 pm »
Heh, i will give you a hint - Char creation wont be the same  :))
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2004, 02:33:34 pm »
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No....I think some ppl got my message wrong.

I\'m not talking about the crystalls that ppl own at the moment. (I don\'t have an oppinion about the transfering the current crystalls to trias........well I do have an oppinion. but that\'s not the point) *).

This was directed at zabeal\'s comment at the transfer MB->CB.

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I\'m talking about the following \"Glitch\" that can make you rich without any effort:

1) create a Main Char.
2) Create a other Char, with the very rich option. (means: has start with 500 Tria)
3) Give money from other Char to main Char.
4) Repeat step 2 and 3 till you think you got enhough.

Note: with 90 times you have a healthy, trained pterosaur ;) .


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(about the email adress: If you own a domain....(or know hotmail look-a-like\'s ....it wouldn\'t work).

(About IP filtering: you already talked about NAT (not to mention two brothers playing same PC, or ppl with Dyn-ip adressing).


These things are only true in small quantities, i.e. you can use this system to maybe create 10 chars. However, if such quantities are created in a short time, it will be unusual and worth investigation. Even a dynamic IP will not create more than, say, 2 PS accounts per week as the ppl. playing PS will usually keep the IP for at least 5 hours a day.

The mail thingy might be true, but _only_ in the hotmail case, as it\'s pretty obvious if there are 10 accounts created with addresses of the \"seytra.com\" domain, even or especially if it were a large company. ;)

Furthermore, I think paladin is going to kick in if any char is being given large amounts of money by differenct newbie chars, especially in a short time. This can be caught _very_ easily. I mean, a newly created char giving all it\'s money to another char, within a week after creation and without ever having done anything in-game? It\'s too obvious to miss, even if the char would do small transfers, the sum will still be large, and the system can compare the return the char gets (which will be way less than what it spends). Therefore, unless you do it accross several unrelated chars and take the time to at least have them move around with a different IP and such, the system is going to catch even the first attempt. Even if not, probability is high that you\'ll get caught around char 5 due to suspicion. What\'s left is doing this with one char per month, and making great effort of being stealthy, still risking to be caught eventually and loosing everything. This is not even looking at the sudden wealth of a newbie char or the sudden increase in wealth of any char.

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(ok...for those who are curious: I believe that ppl who supported the community for so long with playing (and collecting) may have someting back from it.
I\'m not one of them...so I won\'t be rich either. But it\'s not fair to say as a starter that you think it\'s fair if all players start with 0. (besides....you can\'t do that. It would mean every time a new player would be created, the currency will have to be reset :D

Yes and no. CB can be regarded as new game compared to MB, so a reset could be justified. I don\'t care as long as there is some balance. Just having collected 1000 diamonds in MB (especially with the cheat-mods being mostly undetectable) shouldn\'t give so much money that you can buy the stalactite. ;) But maybe I\'m just jelaous despite trying not to be.
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So, some Players will be rich, others will be poor. but he.....that\'s life you know?
With an MMORPG you will always have differentces between \"newbies\" and \"oldbies\", between \"regular\" and \"rare\" players, between \"farmers\" and \"kings\"  That\'s what an MMORPG makes a MMORPG.

That is what makes the real world what it is: crap. :(
That being said, it still is the human nature (with no change in sight) to create such an unbalanced system, therefore any MMORPG will either be created in this fashion or inevitably evolve into it.
Play-time will be rewarded and therefore also help make it that way, so you can argue that MB playtime should be rewarded the same way. Still, you might also argue that having a computer that can actually _do_ MB will be rewarded, as I can barely collect one crystal per day with mine. So this is where the real world influences the MMORPG reality a great deal which isn\'t really fair anymore. I mean, The Devs[TM] ;) are trying hard to keep PS usable on modems, but currently it depends on a high-end comp, so these issues should be taken into consideration as well when the transfer is being done.
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Without the ppl playing for 3 years, Planeshift would be a R.I.P. community. (if no ppl are interested..............).
Yes.
Like Mr. GworthoX said:
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So to my oppinion: .....well......I think I made myself clear :8
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2004, 11:03:13 am »
Well......I think we both made ourselfs clear. (sry that I first thought that you didn\'t got me. The above post showed that you did).

I\'m happy you explained it.......And although I don\'t know Paladin, i\'ve been told that they are good honorable creatures that you can rely on. (so.....with you having so much trust in Paladin.......I will follow your believe).

I only did wanna point it. You are absolutly right about the fact that there are many way\'s to make sure it will not happen. Fact stays: You can only solve a problem, if there is one (or if the problem is known ;) ). So, I was a bit scared that nobody was thinking about it. (no offence to the devs.....you\'re doing a great job). I only was trying to bring good idea\'s. And.....small as a dwarf can be, all little thinks will help. :)

Anyway....I got the point: ppl are thinking of it, and I\'m absolutly sure there will be a solution for it.

To CJR: hmmm.......now I spend weeks for nothing looking for the ultimate Charstats :D


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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2004, 10:05:01 pm »
I totally agree with you that if there is any concern that a potential problem or idea hasn\'t been thought of it needs to be posted. And this wasn\'t posted before AFAIK, just somewhere it was said that Paladin JR is going to be used. I think I should have mentioned that Paladin JR is an anti-cheat system that\'ll be in CB.
Keep it up!

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2004, 11:10:40 pm »
id just like to know when the update comes will we have to recreate our alts because.. or just have the option to change there race? because when the full range of races comes out i know ill be swapping lol,

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2004, 04:45:47 am »
AFAIK, all chars will be wiped (=not copied to the new server). It wouldn\'t make sense anyway because there will be changes in some (most?) stuff. However, in CB there will be no more or different races / genders than the ones in MB. The rest will be added some day but this is going to be way after the initial CB release.
In CB you\'ll most likely not have the option to simply change the race of your char (I wouldn\'t want that because it just begs to be abused unless each change is moderated) so you\'d need to start from scratch.

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2004, 09:37:25 am »
Whole Char creation has been remade.
The char creation now doesn\'t contain anything like the Advantages / Disadvantages

IMO it\'s much better now, you\'ll see :)

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Happy Happy Happy, Joy Joy Joy.....
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2004, 11:03:16 am »
*having a happy smile on his face*

Ok.........I\'m waiting.

/me picks up his screenshots from the Char creation, and throws them in the litterbin. :D


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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2004, 06:47:27 pm »
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Whole Char creation has been remade.
The char creation now doesn\'t contain anything like the Advantages / Disadvantages

IMO it\'s much better now, you\'ll see :)
Evil, evil, evil! I almost can\'t stand the teasing any longer! I _need_ some CB NOW! Please... just one screen! Come on! Just one! *twitches uncontrollably* Please! ;)
I know it\'s going to get even worse once there _is_ one screen, though. :]