Anti-Troll

[theRealGorbulas]

I have an idea on how to get rid of trolls. If there are helpers(npc or not) then there is no need for new people to be shouting. Most shouldn\'t even know how to shout when they start. Players shouldn\'t be allowed to shout unless someone else who can shout gives the the ability to or they have played for over a certain amount of time. Trolls who manage to get the ability to shout will have to regain their ability to shout after they have been delt with. It would quickly get old having to gain your shouting if you have to play for at least an hour or two.

[Waylander]

Nice sig.  I think it would be a pretty good idea actualy, of course he could just /tell one person a lot but then you could do the same with /tell and /say you can just walk away....yeah as long as you cover all possibilities this could work out pretty well

[theRealGorbulas]

It is hard to be a troll if all you can do is tell one person something. A neat thing would be if there is no help around the spawn point, the motd could tell them how to use /tell to ask for help from the specified person.

[Detan]

I like it! it\'d would definately encourage people to actually talk to people in character instead of shouting and taking the easy way out  by saying soemtihng like \"hi Me n33ds uber 3l33t playa 2 h3lp in qu3st!\" to the whole world. I eman if you want to aprt ywith some one go up to the person type /wave and then get there attention and then the can greet you and ask what you want and you can tell them \"I need someone to partner with  me and do a quest, and you seem to be a fine warrior to aid me.\" and the person may or may not say no. I know in FFXI how annoying shouting got. Alot of people complained about /say and told everyone to talk in /tell but I don\'t believe that is good in role play. If you are saying sometihng people within a certain range should be able to here you. I tihnk there should be /whisper instead of tell and you have to be fairly close to do so and /tell can be used to contact friends only. What do ya think?

[FESFES]

i think its a good idea too but many ppl new to the game find out to come to the forums (newb guide) from shouting that they need help and olbees give the url
and leter in the game the olbees will be out fighting and stuff so the newbs would be asking others nwebs what to do

[Detan]

Haha stupid newbies. Wait I am one. but i took the time to read the FAQ i just forgot some stuf fand had to ask people. oh well keep brainstorming

[Seytra]

This can be achieved with the OOC chat. This way, you can close the OOC chat and not be disturbed. The OOC chat would not be restricted by distance, much like the /shout is now. It would be a separate window, Newbs can use this as it\'s even more easy to use than /shout. Also, you can set up OOC chatrooms so if ppl. want a graphical chatroom, they can have it and the ppl. who don\'t want one will disable it and everybody will be happy. Of course, trolling would be possible in the OOC channels, but it wouldn\'t disrupt the game itself.
BTW, I like /whisper! so yes, let\'s get rid of /shout (or better, reduce it\'s range to be \"realistic\" so it can be used for cries of agony ) and make it depend on play time (2 hours sounds reasonable).
We can also introduce a party-chat and a buddylist-chat.

[Detan]

Yeah realism is great. I don\'t like the fact that /tell can tell anywheres in the world I mean it just doesn\'t make sense to me. And people shouting over miles and through the ground into caves. Blah! I think maybe if you can /tell someone it should be an ability or item such as telepathy or a telophone (Ok it doesn\'t have to be a telophone but you can invent sometihng. FFXI came up with linkshells that act as phone to a group of friends and it didnt seem otu of place in the medievil setting). Just make speech more realistic. ?say and /whisper would be very nice. and /tell could be a sometihng attained (And you should only be able to /tell people who have the same ability and have you on there fbuddy list) and instead of people shouting Oh hey can I have an item. Have an option wear you can cry for sometihng. Aestus shouts for attention. Aestus announces that he has sometihng to trade. Aestus cries for help. I tihnk this would be a much more efficient system and people couldnt shout stuff like. Oh yeah man I was driving in my racecar and yeahh blah blah to the whole world.
Whas you all think?

[theRealGorbulas]

I wanted to keep shout and tell, but restrict their usage to people who have earned the right to use them. Maybe when the game is done we can get rid of them. Maybe a GM could take a troll\'s shouting away again.

[Detan]

Oh well I\'d certainly like it if you couldn\'t shout at all. Cause people having conversation in shout is annyoing. I tihnk shouting should only be used for announcement or crying for help thus my siggested system would work. So you could type /shout help and a message would appear to everyone \"Player A cries for help (Location: Tavern.)\" and /shout shop \"Item name\" could display  \"Player A announces that he has Item name to sell or trade\" and if you want to say what price you could just add $\"200\" at the end or if you wanted to discuss the price but /shout barter \"Item name\" and the message \"Player A announces that he has \"Item Name\" to barter.

I don\'t know if everyone agrees with that system but I tihnk it would be more efficient and keep people alot less annoyed. What you all think?

[Kiva]

/Shout has been reduced to an area effect instead of a server message, same with /greet. Only people nearby can see these things now.

As for the OOC chat... No. You have /tell and /guild for that already, no need to make more channels just so you can talk to everyone and spam those channels with more useless talking. Go talk to some trees if you want to talk so much.

[FESFES]

i think the best thing to do about trools would be to get a mod with /ignore

[Detan]

yeah that\'d make sense

[theRealGorbulas]

Ignoring trolls doesn\'t work for new people. They don\'t know how to ignore, and there was someone calling themself Gmniggerspooge on telling them that they need to go bow down to him and giving them quests involving some cove that doesn\'t exist. Since you don\'t want an official global chat maybe I will find a way to make an integrated IRC window. Then you could chat and stuff and not everyone would have to see it.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by theRealGorbulas
Ignoring trolls doesn\'t work for new people. They don\'t know how to ignore, and there was someone calling themself Gmniggerspooge on telling them that they need to go bow down to him and giving them quests involving some cove that doesn\'t exist. Since you don\'t want an official global chat maybe I will find a way to make an integrated IRC window. Then you could chat and stuff and not everyone would have to see it.

ACK. I believe that the desire to do OOC chat is there. By artificially removing the options to do so ppl. will be forced to find other ways to do it (even this very forum has an off-topic area, and the forum is not even IC-only!). This is why I wish an integrated solution instead of using external means, because once you move to another program chances are slim you\'ll go back to Ps soon, whereas if it were integrated you\'d still _see_ it and thus always keep in mind the option of continuing RP.
Also, before I can /tell or /guild someone, I need to know them, therefore I\'d have to meet them beforehand, which I can only do through RP in this case, which linits the ppl. to choose from. Also, the guild chat is IMO only for guild things, not for chit-chat among friends. By offering the option of an OOC-chat, you would IMO draw the OOC activity to it, whereas without it, the willingness to talk OOC in the game will increase. Ppl. will be a _lot_ more picky about that if the option is easily available (and continously typing /tell whoever is annoying) and therefore are going to tell ppl. to use the OOC chat, as it\'s easily available.

Therefore, if no OOC chat is going to be implemented, I\'ll use the IRC mod if it becomes available, even though I usually don\'t use mods. Not saying that I\'ll talk much, but I want the option.