Poll finds 40% of Canadian teens view USA as 'evil'

[Waylander]

Hey, I am canadian and british but I still love america.  Sure they come in a little late to world war and then complain when nobody helps them with their war but hey, without them imagine what 22 hours would be like?? and then no talking to americans, what would life be without that.  Not to mention the apology to americans which was hilarious.  So you see, without America we would have no jokes

[DepthBlade]

@Monketh- Ok watch Demolition Man (Movie) In there it mentions Arnold (Terminator) was the last president of the USA Coincidence...governor for now but later who knows lol

[Cryha]

The problem is not the US. Its Canda and the rest of the world. The US has\'nt changed one bit in its goals or aims, the rest of the world (namely Canada, France, Germany, Russia, and several others) have. The US has always been and still is a country who seeks the best for the whole world. The other countries are only interested in whats best for them so they start hating the US because the US wants what will help the entire world and not just the US, or France, or Germany, or ect. The reason you people don\'t like the war in Iraq is not because it was an unjust war but because YOU  where unjust before the war. Have you ever heard of the Oil for Food program (it should be called the oil for palaces program in reality)? Tha was an illegal program that was getting france germany russia and canada a lot of oil revenues from iraq. ILLEGALY!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is why you hate the war and that is why you hate Bush. Because he did what was best for the rest of the world and stopped your illegal activities in Iraq, while making the world a safer place. Now I\'m not trying to offend anyone here so don\'t let this rub you the worng way. P.S. for those of you who think Bush is a dutz he rates as one of the most inteligent people in the public today.

[DepthBlade]

Rated probally by his own country? That is your own opinion you base it only from that, so it proves to be worthless!

[Levski]

Originally posted by Cryha
The problem is not the US. Its Canda and the rest of the world. The US has\'nt changed one bit in its goals or aims, the rest of the world (namely Canada, France, Germany, Russia, and several others) have. The US has always been and still is a country who seeks the best for the whole world.

What!?!?!?!  Best for the world?

Let me point out a couple of examples:

Most recently, Iraq.  Yes, Saddam was a dictator.  Yes, he had big prisons.  But overall, Iraq was one of the more stable states in the Middle East.  Now what is it?  A stinkhole where lives are thrown out the window.  Is that what\'s best for the world?

Some more examples.  Do you know what the US has done in Latin American countries?  \"To promote democracy and freedom!\"  Bull!


But even worse than the US government are the governments which are mere puppets for the Americans, catering to every need the US has in the world of politics.  These are the countries that supported the war in Iraq, mostly.  And yes, my country of Bulgaria is in that group, which I despise.

[FlippySeal]

The problem is not the US. Its Canda and the rest of the world. The US has\'nt changed one bit in its goals or aims, the rest of the world (namely Canada, France, Germany, Russia, and several others) have. The US has always been and still is a country who seeks the best for the whole world. The other countries are only interested in whats best for them so they start hating the US because the US wants what will help the entire world and not just the US, or France, or Germany, or ect. The reason you people don\'t like the war in Iraq is not because it was an unjust war but because YOU where unjust before the war. Have you ever heard of the Oil for Food program (it should be called the oil for palaces program in reality)? Tha was an illegal program that was getting france germany russia and canada a lot of oil revenues from iraq. ILLEGALY!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is why you hate the war and that is why you hate Bush. Because he did what was best for the rest of the world and stopped your illegal activities in Iraq, while making the world a safer place. Now I\'m not trying to offend anyone here so don\'t let this rub you the worng way. P.S. for those of you who think Bush is a dutz he rates as one of the most inteligent people in the public today.

don\'t get me started. I never said Bush was a dutz. What\'s that? the countries who DON\'T go to war are wrong with the world?? most War is wrong, no two ways about it. And whats that? we had an illegal program to get revenues from Iraq? Well guess what else is illegal?? Bullying Iraq oil companies out and putting in new ones....

[Seytra]

(What else could the post of Cryha be if not a troll?)
Now just in case: how would breaking the Kyoto treaty be any good for the world when it is obvious that the US only want to keep up \"the american way of life (of living off others)\"?
How can you claim moral superiority or want the world to believe you are responsible if you actively encourage torture? Saddam certainly was a ruthless dictator, but how many are there, really? Lots! But after whom do the US go? After the ones that have oil. These who, if the \"oil for palaces\" program is pictured correctly, formerly sold oil to countries that were _not the US_. Do you honestly think that we believe in your good intentions or even in coincidence? I think not!

Furthermore, a war that isn\'t approved by the UN isn\'t OK, because that\'s what the UN was meant to ensure.
I\'d really like them to actively oppose the US for

1) Trying to decieve the UN and the world as a whole with really badly done fakes; this is an insult all by itself

2) self-righteously ignoring the UN and doing their war (for what any other nation would have had serious sanctions placed onto it)

3) scr*wing up completely and then demanding money to finance their fu*k up and the reconstruction that wouldn\'t have been necessary if the war would have not been started

4) still preaching \"we do gods will\" when, in fact, any major christian leader disagrees with this

5) continue to ignore any human values when it comes to ppl. not happening to be americans (what you said about \"dead soldiers\" only takes into account american soldiers, not iraqui soldiers, I presume.) Of course, because iraquis are not american and therefore one american life is worth _all_ iraqui lives (and these of any other human being in the world), in your eyes, isn\'t it?

Of course, Mr. Bush isn\'t the first one to abuse his powers, but he certainly is the most stupid one (i.e., unable to fool the world despite trying hard)

BTW, weapons of mass construction _would_ still be weapons, look at the genesis device of Star Trek

[FlippySeal]

Of course they are weapons, but they construct stuff, CONstruct DEstruct get it??  8o I\'m sorry, never watched Star Trek.
Like this picture, ARRR!!! it\'s me and my hook!
Don\'t i have wicked paint skills??!!

[Monketh]

Originally posted by Cryha
The problem is not the US. Its Canda and the rest of the world. The US has\'nt changed one bit in its goals or aims, the rest of the world (namely Canada, France, Germany, Russia, and several others) have. The US has always been and still is a country who seeks the best for the whole world. The other countries are only interested in whats best for them so they start hating the US because the US wants what will help the entire world and not just the US, or France, or Germany, or ect. The reason you people don\'t like the war in Iraq is not because it was an unjust war but because YOU  where unjust before the war. Have you ever heard of the Oil for Food program (it should be called the oil for palaces program in reality)? Tha was an illegal program that was getting france germany russia and canada a lot of oil revenues from iraq. ILLEGALY!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is why you hate the war and that is why you hate Bush. Because he did what was best for the rest of the world and stopped your illegal activities in Iraq, while making the world a safer place. Now I\'m not trying to offend anyone here so don\'t let this rub you the worng way. P.S. for those of you who think Bush is a dutz he rates as one of the most inteligent people in the public today.

Gah!  Ack!
Stop before you make it worse!  This is the kind of attitude that gives us a bad rap!  and rep!
*sighs*

*ahem*

THE USA PUTS ITSELF FIRST.
SO DOES EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
Woah, look at this amaaaazing revelation.


Seytra: I already explained why we went to Iraq.
Kyoto treaty, I heard that banned air fresheners...  I\'ve never actually looked at the document, but we\'re already losing manufacturing ground to many other countries.  Tell the factory workers out of jobs if they think the kyoto treaty should be signed.

Everybody: I already explained why we\'re in Iraq, and why you should be too.


If only I could run for President...   Fact is, this nation is screwed up, just like every other nation on earth.  Considering we\'re the only super-power, it is much easier for you to blame us and make us look bad, making you look better.  \"Team up on the big guy\", oh brother.  If you want a better United States, come help make one!  Start a socialist party or something.  You\'re all semi-socialists anyway. :rolleyes:  
It is so much easier to glaze over unethical decisions made by your leaders if you point to ones made by someone else\'s leaders.  Sad.

[Waylander]

Well there are just so many of those unethical desicions Monketh

Fact is UN didn\'t support the war US went on with it.  US is pretty much a rich snob who believes rules don\'t apply to him.  Anyways, this thread should be shut down soon, I get this weird feeling we are gona start WW3 (US will be in it from the start this time!!! <--shocking I know).

Well goodnight people, and all countries have their faults.  Sure, maybe most don\'t have as many as US does, but US has quite a few up points too.  Sadly US had the chance to make the super powerdom unique by giving only good to the world and have as of yet screwed that up ( bleh all the others did).

Oh and look at Europe now, same currency easy to get around, be cool if that became one country \"England and Co.\" maybe .

[Half_Pint]

Well, perhaps Harwen was right about locking this thread...  I was impressed by how civilized it was at first; try to keep it that way, please.   :rolleyes:

Monk, all Kyoto actually does is makes countries promise to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by a certain percent within a set number of years.  If a country chose to ban air fresheners...  well, that would be a way of reducing emissions, but I don\'t know if it would be the most effective for the hassle.  

[Monketh]

Originally posted by Waylander
Oh and look at Europe now, same currency easy to get around, be cool if that became one country \"England and Co.\" maybe .

No!  The EU must not become one country!  Some Hitler-type will take power and launch an invasion of the US!

...well, that\'s how the world governing body forms in my backstory, anyway. :rolleyes:

*hopes this lightened up the thread somewhat*

[rifft]

Hey you guys wanna know a secret?!

The US put sadam in power so they could have a puppet in the Middle East who would oppose Iran. (This was back in the day, way, way back in the day, this isn\'t a conspiracy theory)

You want to know something else?!

Osama was trained by the CIA, you know why?! So that he could orgenize a resistance in Afgahnistan, so that the side that was being reinforced and supported by the russian\'s would lose.

Later (when the iron curtain fell) the US of A relized that the russian\'s supported the better side (Not Al-Queda).

Also about democracy... You know Israel IS in the middle east, and it IS a democracy, it\'s not encouraging Iran or Iraq to change. Egypt I think is also a democracy. You know something else? The states funds a large protion of the Israely millitary. You know why?!

Anyway, I\'m sorry I got trolled into this, but it doesn\'t change what I said above. The US (and Russia, when they were powerful enough) played at statemaking, nationmaking, whatever you want to call it. Britian, France and Germany played at it before. Does it make it right? No!

Just because the world was a rotten place doesn\'t mean we would like to remain that way. Sometimes wars are necessary, sometimes they resolve issues the only way they could have been resolved.

Has the war on Iraq changed anything? I don\'t think so, Israel still suffers acts of terrorism every day. Terrorists still live and hide in Iraq, and the rest of the world for that matter. In addition, they have a cause for revenge now. You see, when you stick your hand into a bee hive you will get stung. We\'ll see how the US will deal with it\'s bee stings, because one thing\'s for sure, they really did stir the shit when they went into Iraq. Not because the UN disaproves, or any other country, but simply because now the Muslim Middle East has a common enemy.

Anyway, just my two cents, again with a small dash of facts.

To the people of the US of A, I do understand that one should stand for ones country. But one should also be able to understand when named country has bitten off more than it could chew. All I have to say is this, I\'ve lived in (Israel) a country, where getting on a bus was risking your life, because a suicide bomber could be on it. I\'ve lived in a country where going to the mall was risking your life because someone might run in with a gun and shoot you down. These weren\'t some remote possibilities, they happened almost daily. Israel was not oppressed by terror, we\'ll see how the US fairs.

Oh and one last thing, if you fight a war with terrorists, you will lose. Unless you yourself will resort to terror. Think about why that\'s true.

[Cryha]

What do you expect. That the world is gona be fixed after only a year? These things take time but the world will be a better place thanks the the US (once again the US is making the world a better place) and to President Bush. People said the same thing about WW2 back when it was going on that your saying about Iraq now. People said that President Reagan was a failure and an idiot just like people are saying Bush is now. Yet look at what has happened. The people who ;led the nation during WW2 are hailed as heroes around the world, Reagan is solely responsible for stoping communism, and some day Bush will be hailed as the one man who had the guts to stand up to terror. The only way to defeate terror is to fight it and to bring all your guns blazing. We tried peace talks for 10 years. through out the decade of the ninties we tried to talk sence to the terrorist. It did\'nt work. Things are different in Iraq today. The people are happy now. I\'ve talked to Soldiers in Iraq, as well as listened to them on the radio. They will tell you that all over Iraq people when they see them in the streets smile and run out to thank them for saving their country. They will tell you of being given flowers by the Iraqi people. They will tell you the story of watching the Iraqi\'s tear down Saddams statues, and shout with joy while crowds cheer while watching. Now try to tell me that things are\'nt different. We have never taken a drop of oil out of Iraq nor have any of our Oil companies made any money off Iraq. The oil that was drilled during the ocupation was sold and the money given to the Iraq govnerment which is now in power (and might I add was created by the Iraqi\'s, not the US). If we had wanted oil we could have found a much cheaper way and a way that offered a lot less loss of life to get it. Anyone ever heard of Alaska? There is more oil there than many other places in the world and great masses of it have yet to be found. Give me one thing the UN has permanently resolved in its inglorious life. If there had been a UN during WW2 what do you think woulda happened? I\'ll tell you what woulda happened. Hitler woulda had hiw country in one of the seats it holds now, then he woulda countiualy vetoed any atempt to start a war with him till he had taken over all of europe and then he woulda been strong enough to finish his dream of taking over the world. We should thank God every day that there was\'nt a UN back them because this world would be a horrible place if there had been. We have permanantly resolved the problem of weapons in Iraq (which by the way they have found). There is no more evil Saddam, there is no more chemical weapons program, there is freedom and peace. How can you people say the war was bad when it was a war for justice and liberty. I have heard people say that the Iraqi\'s don\'t want freedom. I\'m not saying you think this because I don\'t know but I have hard some say that. I don\'t understand how anyone can even think of thinking that. The number one wish of every human heart is freedom and justice. Thats what we brought to Iraq. Some of you com[plain about President Bush welcoming dignitaries from other countries and not from Canada. Does\'nt it make sence to welcome those who help us before those of thumbed there nose at our desire to help the world become a better place? The war was just, President Bush did the best job anyone could do, and you are safer because of it.

[tygerwilde]

You know I saw this one over on the forums for my SWG PA, my responce here is the same one I gave them

only our government canada, only our government