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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fozzharn on March 20, 2007, 10:59:12 am
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I had a walk through the streets of hydlaa these days, examining the city for NPCs I maybe don't know yet or possibly may need.
I reached a place a bit far from the usual "runways" in Hydlaa, hidden between some houses and looked around ....
Suddenly a fellow player came to me and told me that I was moving on "Imperial Ground" and I would have to leave to prevent from "consequences".
I asked some questions about all that ... but ... the next he was saying was ... "don't force me to kill you ..."
I wonder what this is all about !?
I thought no Player could "own" ground in Yliakum ... am I wrong ?
and by the way ... how bored and dumb must one be, to stand all day in one place waiting for some players to come there and bother and annoy them by saying they have to leave "Imperial Ground" ?? Pfffrrrrrr .......
*Fozzharn shakes his head ... not knowing if he should laugh or cry about this
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This is called RPing ;)
Since we can't really own out ground, but we need it because of consistency reasons.... problems arise.... you are giving example.
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I hereby declare ownership of the ground outside Harnquists. I will be charging 10 trias per minute that anyone wants to stand there. You can feel free to pay any Elemental Light guild member.
Sounds kinda stupid doesnt it?
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This is called RPing ;)
Since we can't really own out ground, but we need it because of consistency reasons.... problems arise.... you are giving example.
Thanks for the explanation ... \\o//
Be aware that the Gazebo right side of the Temple and all the lawn around it is Fozzy-Ground from now on ... Counteractions will be punished by unannounced silly actions of the Fozzy-Guards.
*Fozzharn is now sure that it is to laugh about
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Imperial Grounds? I should really start playing again, this oughtta be a fun encounter.
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Not only fun, Suno ...
they threaten you with death if you don't leave ... :o
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So it is another high-handed, self-important, loudmouthed, arrogant and snotnosed action of the omnipresent Empire that hasn't got any rights on ground or buildings or neither has to tell anyone where to go or where to leave, but claim for them to be the only "RP-Power" in whole Yliakum.
- Quod erat demonstrandum -
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Not only fun, Suno ...
they threaten you with death if you don't leave ... :o
something to kill finally
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God, quit whining. People have been 'owning' places since I started playing.
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I really shouldn't respond to this whining but I will anyway.
Empty places have served as shops, headquarters, warehouses, etc. for years in-game. It helps with roleplay and with the immersion. If you have a problem with such a thing it better be an IC problem and not a fuss about it like this thread. Now I'm going to regret saying this because I know there will be players who are just going to make it their problem now so they can have some dueling fun.
I don't think I was involved directly in this issue but I am involved in it, one of my characters is at least. And I can assure you that there is no policy to kill people for entering Imperial Grounds. People are requested to leave unless they have an appointment and in case of roleplayers we might attempt to remove them forcefully if they seem to be out for trouble. The Imperial Guard does not kill unless ordered to or threatened with their own lives.
Non-roleplayers are usually ignored and without doubt the violent results of this OOC and completely out of place complaint, which is bound to draw hotshots and duel fanatics like flies to honey, will also be ignored. Good roleplay will be welcomed very much. :D
P.S.: The location is selected so that it does not contain any NPC's or anything else anyone might need. It are just a few houses with no value whatsoever .. however the place is shared with one or two other guilds as well but this has been agreed on by both sides and is respected.
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without doubt the violent results of this OOC and completely out of place complaint, which is bound to draw hotshots and duel fanatics like flies to honey, will also be ignored
It is obviously OOC but I fail to see how this is out of place. And if the 'Guards' have the rules you claim then the particular 'Guard' should be reported to their superiors for threatening physical violence.
I will point out that if I were in this situation I would certainly not do as I was asked and would purposefully stay exactly where I was until the 'Guard' got bored and walked away.
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Well actually I just executed that disciplinary action .. an interesting side of this story popped up while doing that.
Apparently the situation was a bit more complicated than depicted in the intial post though. It wasn't just a matter of trespassing but also theft. Now this all I can still consider IC but the thief using the /die command to disappear after the theft ... :thumbdown:
I'm really not going to bother with this incident anymore. The Empire took up position within Hydlaa to give more roleplaying oppertunities .. good roleplaying oppertunities.
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God, quit whining. People have been 'owning' places since I started playing.
this wasn't whining at all ... your answer is just another proof of the (imaginary) superiority of this wonderful guild and its members ...
maybe one day the game will have to be renamed due to the epidemic spread of all the Empire-Guilds ... what about "Plane-Empire" then ?
And the cities will be named by their most valuable members.....
(That reminds me on "Karl-Marx-Stadt" and "Leningrad" and "Stalingrad" ..... )
That'll be fun .... Heal the Empire
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and just to state it clear ... I wasn't thiefing or something, just having a walk there and looking around
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You do realize that you just proved Parallo's point, do you?
All I detect in your posts is an aversion and jealously of guilds.
And by the way, that Imperial Ground thing is roleplayed. You can't say "I declare the whole plaza my territory and will now charge people for standing there" because that is not roleplaying.
And yes, whining!
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I really have no idea what about is the whole arguing. one side keeps saying how it is needed an the other side how it is imposible.
You know what? You are all right. The game lack so much content that it is just impossible to avoid. Deal with it, all of you. Especially Fozzharn it looks. If you are going to prove something, you should choose different path that "i don't like it, stop it"
Just my observation.
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And by the way, that Imperial Ground thing is roleplayed. You can't say "I declare the whole plaza my territory and will now charge people for standing there" because that is not roleplaying.
How is one guilds claim to territory RP, yet my claim is not RP?
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yes what gives one guild any more right to own land than anyone else. If i decide i want control over the same land as the empire who are you to stop me?
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It has everything to do with realisticness, making agreements with other guilds and choosing an unused and unvisited area, and this is simply the way it's going to be until we have something like guildhalls. Deal with it :)
And Narure, I guess you could. Challenge them if you like, but remember to roleplay ;)
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Well im determind to own that land now. Even if it requires sticking my ass down and refusing to move.
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Im with you on that one Narure, We should agree, between our guilds of course, that it is now our territory.
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OOC information used IC anyone?
Sheesh, it has always been like this.
You people are only complaining because they Empire is not a "good guild".
Admit it.
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I'm not in a good guild and i dont know where this land is. And it is unlikly that i will if you use the OOC information of my intentions to not alert me to where it is when i "trespass" on "your land". The issue is your a big guild and letting it get to your head.
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You're just afraid.
That's a good thing though, the Empire should be feared.
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:ban: Why would i be scared of a guild in a computer game? If you are talking about my character i dont know what thats got to do with your right to own land over anyone else.
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Well.. I can see how contrasting different posts by certain people can give the impression that a select few players would appear to think:
- It's "bad RP" to threaten the Dark Empire members with death.
- and normal "RP" when they do it to others.
Maybe that's the kinda vibe people are getting with this??
I'm sure these same people would be quick to call it "godmodding" or something similar if others were to say they own or control specific bits of land. Ultimately though does it really matter what anyone thinks?? ... this could have been dealt with in-game, in-character...
You should have just gone around in-game telling everyone that the DE are arrogant enough to think they own streets and alleys of Hydlaa... and that their arrogance needs to be dealt with. -- You may have been able to get a gang of people to return to the same spot and deal with them IC rather than having to bother with all this!!!
;)
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The Empire is letting things get to their head by renting three measly buildings in which nobody is really interested together with a few other well respected guilds?
You people really need to get over yourselves and stop being so jealous. No Imperial will stop any guild from claiming their own building unless they have a well founded IC reason.
Grow up, the lot of you.
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But threatening people with death? Doesnt sound like good RP to me.
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Well actually I just executed that disciplinary action ..
It isn't in this case and it has been dealt with accordingly, please read everything before bringing up arguments.
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I claim the enterable buildings in the name of all non-guilders, guilders not welcome! 8)
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You people are all said. The DE Headquarters is a small square between a few buildings. It's mainly a meeting ground where we try to add a bit of RP.
There are, as many people have already pointed out, many instances of this before the DE. Purrty owns a house, Skreit, though I'm not sure if he stands by this still, owns a tent and so on and so forth.
But, this is the DE we are talking about, and it seems people have taken a liking to attacking them (jealousy does odd things ;) ).
If you really want to go into that useless square of land, just ask kindly. If anything the DE took a pointless plot and gave it minimal RP value.
It would be nice if the forums would concentrate less on useless whining :)
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Now that's a fine example of hampering the game-experience of other players.
Excellent argument!
... Why did I bother trying to discuss this ...
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Let's look at it this way. Does anybody really care about that square plot of land?
No
That's why there is no real problem. You can go on about the arrogance of the DE if you want, I'll admit to that.
But, all in all, unless some NPCs or something are added to the game, I see nothing wrong with it.
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IC you do not own this land. Who ever the settings team says owns the land owns the land. So by saying it is your land and using it IC you are working against the law... Sounds like an interesting RP to me, fair enough, but there will be repercusions one would assume.
*edit*
also you are setting a bad example which could lead to every square inch of unused land being owned by every bob and bill.
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I agree with you to an extent Narure. But, the land is useless. The only reason we are laying claim to it is because of a lack of content.
As for setting the example, if my Zoneinfo.xml file is correct, it won't be set for much longer ;)
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- <zonelist>
- <!-- guildhouse
-->
- <zone sector="guildhouse" loadimage="Loading Background">
<region map="guildhouse" />
</zone>
I take it we are talking about this? It could be months untill we see this, whatever it may turn out to be. All that while we have everyone who can think up the most mundane RP reason owning land because "its unused"
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The Empire doesn't own that land, they just rent the houses surrounding that small square together with some other guilds to use as a meeting area.
Problem solved.
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how do you rent houses you dont own?
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This is really a tempest in a teacup. Anyone ever see that movie "The Warriors" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080120/)
Warriors, come out to play-i-ay.
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The Empire doesn't own that land, they just rent the houses surrounding that small square together with some other guilds to use as a meeting area.
Problem solved.
Suddenly a fellow player came to me and told me that I was moving on "Imperial Ground" and I would have to leave to prevent from "consequences".
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Its like the time the Outlaws took over brados tavern. Sure there is an NPC there but IC its the same idea. But we knew it was illegal and perfectly expected to be kicked out, very pomptly after a GM sent a wave of shouts through the NPCs we were. So yes. Empire should clear out quick unless they want to be kicked out by their behinds.
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Well actually I just executed that disciplinary action ..
It isn't in this case and it has been dealt with accordingly, please read everything before bringing up arguments.
Drah, please read the thread :)
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Imperial Ground doesn't mean we have conquered it. We can rent things and call them our ground. It's quite normal. Ever rented an apartment?
It's not normal to have a person threatened to death for entering, but since we consider we have rented it, it is normal that we act protective towards it. I've seen many guilds take spaces before, like the Felines Lair, and the Survivors of Vaern that share that same place with us.
If you think it is not allowed, please, do report it to a Game Master. We follow the rules and we'll do as any person from the DE team tells us to. None of you, however, has the authority to to tell us to move though. I believe some of you might be as childish and frustrated, since you can't bother or get the Empire's attention in any other way, as to actually use out-of-character reasoning to importunate us with pseudo in-character actions. We don't mind. Unlike some people, we do know when to report to Game Masters.
EDIT: Yes :oops: Don't make me feel worst than I do -_- Someone delete that thing. I'm so not used to having two accounts in one forum...
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I think this is hilarious.
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You have not explained in anyway how your actions are not illegal IC. You cant just consider that you have rented it because that like me considering that I'm good friends with all the gaurds and the government so I can do what I like and break any law I like. Godmodding. Just because others have done it doesnt make it right.
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I dunno if some street gang wants to claim territory it seems a perfectly legitimate excuse for a war. Squatters rights are only as good as the force needed to keep them. I do not particularly hear in this thread any out of context claim to ownership of the land seeing as how such is not possible. Indeed the fact that the empire co-exists with a couple others is proof enough. Now if you are challenged by an empire dude, just say you are there to talk to .... D'OH! someone removed the names of the other two guilds...
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@Narure: We're not dictating the morals of the government.
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I dunno if some street gang wants to claim territory it seems a perfectly legitimate excuse for a war.
Just like merchants restricted they rich winch area from wide public? Only i can't see people ganging against them.
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Rich people have always been able to buy the laws they want from greedy government officials. In this case it is not yet possible for players to do so but it may be someday.
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We follow the rules and we'll do as any person from the DE team tells us to.
Freudian slip?
Anyway, where do you DE guys get the idea that this wouldnt be exactly the same conversation (with roles reversed of coures) if it was Elemental Light who had declared ownership of an area and was threatening people on entry? I dont see where the persecution complex some of you seem to be displaying is coming from.
Just like merchants restricted they rich winch area from wide public? Only i can't see people ganging against them.
Nah, the winch is off limits for security purposes. Or so I hear.
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As already stated, the threat was wrong and it has been dealt with. We didn't claim ownership. We claimed to be renting the property.
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Rich people have always been able to buy the laws they want from greedy government officials. In this case it is not yet possible for players to do so but it may be someday.
If we won't start now we never will.
There is no they NPCs and we Players. There are only People in the world we are shaping.
Nah, the winch is off limits for security purposes. Or so I hear.
Oh, if they say so. But this sounds suspicious from IC point of viev. Unless someone really know the reason. If not, they are just hiding themselves behind this, because they don't like random people walking there.
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I'll rent that property to everyone who gives me 10k tria, or any other property for that matter. Does it bother me that I have no right to do so? Not in the least. Do I give refunds? Never! Why do you feel a need to have a fig-leaf of legitimacy to your claims to the land?
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We don't really have to but I figure it just seems better ICly than taking it by force.
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Bilbous has a good idea. IC I actually rent that property to another guy who then sub-lets it to you. Im sorry to tell you this but he is breaching his lease by subletting, im going to have to have the DE evicted :P
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Want a reward for stupidest thread of the week? Then Karyuu gets a reward for meanest post of the week ;)
Listen folks: stop whining. Yes, whining. When your complaints have no foundation aside "I don't like it," you're not sharing constructive material. People have "owned" bits and pieces of the landscape since Molecular Blue, and perhaps even before that. What is your real argument here? "They own a building but I don't like that, so I'm going to try to claim that same building just to show them they can't do that"? Do you have a real reason for being so argumentative, or are you here to waste more time and complain about roleplay?
Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages.
That's my summery of this entire thread. Good job.
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I'd like to think i contributed to this and would like to thank the Dark Empire for fueling my argumentative side and all those who argued for the same side...
but seriously:
People have "owned" bits and pieces of the landscape since Molecular Blue, and perhaps even before that.
Seriously that attitude is REALLY annoying. Saying that is juat begging for an argument over burning witches. The point I've been trying to make over and over again is that it is godmodding and so bad RP. Which is nothing to be encouraged.
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Godmodding would be controling other player actions, NPC actions or altering the settings for your own good.
Neither of these three are valid here since no other players are being controlled, no NPC's are involved and the settings say nothing about the little piece of ground the Empire rents. The only one that could possibly change would be the last .. and as soon as the settings dictate that that piece of ground belongs to someone else the Empire is out of there.
Until then you have no point whatsoever if you ask me.
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The point I've been trying to make over and over again is that it is godmodding and so bad RP. Which is nothing to be encouraged.
What's so damn wrong in guild having a guildhouse and some infrastructure? It is much better than assuming we all sleep on the streets, homeless.
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People have "owned" bits and pieces of the landscape since Molecular Blue, and perhaps even before that.
Seriously that attitude is REALLY annoying. Saying that is juat begging for an argument over burning witches. The point I've been trying to make over and over again is that it is godmodding and so bad RP. Which is nothing to be encouraged.
Are you sure you're serious? Because there's no way I can take you seriously, myself. How is it bothering you personally, and how is it interfering with your roleplay if a group of people rent a building? Are your RPs collapsing around you and is your world in shambles?
If you have an argument to make, make it.
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Want a reward for stupidest thread of the week? Then Karyuu gets a reward for meanest post of the week ;)
Listen folks: stop whining. Yes, whining. When your complaints have no foundation aside "I don't like it," you're not sharing constructive material. People have "owned" bits and pieces of the landscape since Molecular Blue, and perhaps even before that. What is your real argument here? "They own a building but I don't like that, so I'm going to try to claim that same building just to show them they can't do that"? Do you have a real reason for being so argumentative, or are you here to waste more time and complain about roleplay?
Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages.
That's my summery of this entire thread. Good job.
well, my point was the way they handled it. And after that bit was resolved I was just promoting healthy discussion (not trolling btw ;))
The point still remains that if people are threatened when going somewhere in the game it isnt going to promote a healthy environment for people. Maybe it does help with RP. EL have an area but would never consider threats to get people to leave it when we are there. They are free to just stand and watch what goes on if they wish. I fail to see why the area needs to be protected so vigorously, especially when the person 'tresspassing' was unaware of the situation and not actually doing anything wrong
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Idoru: if that bit was already resolved, there is no further argument to make here. Once such actions are conceded as a wrong-doing and corrected, we can move on and discuss something more stimulating, and perhaps even useful.
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Idoru: if that bit was already resolved, there is no further argument to make here. Once such actions are conceded as a wrong-doing and corrected, we can move on and discuss something more stimulating, and perhaps even useful.
Very true, I was just bored at work. I appologise for promoting 'healthy discussion' ::|
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Good that you used quotes, for it's been anything but :P
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Godmodding would be controling other player actions, NPC actions or altering the settings for your own good.
Neither of these three are valid here since no other players are being controlled, no NPC's are involved and the settings say nothing about the little piece of ground the Empire rents. The only one that could possibly change would be the last .. and as soon as the settings dictate that that piece of ground belongs to someone else the Empire is out of there.
Until then you have no point whatsoever if you ask me.
If its a house in the hydlaa it is fairer to assume someone else owns it than it is land free to rent. If it was outside the city walls i would see no problem with any of this but as it is your last point about altering the settings stands because it is obviously someones residence that you havent paid for and have no right over. I also would not have a problem with this if you wernt claiming it is legal. Just because "thats the way its always been" doesnt make it right.
Are your RPs collapsing around you and is your world in shambles?
Incidently no. Or possibly yes, as i talked to a GM about it and was told all i can do is not accept the RP if i disagree with it, because of the nature of the empire it means not RPing with many of my friends and many others I havent even met yet.
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Then you are making a poor decision, one that will not earn you any respect nor sympathy from others. It is ultimately your (utterly ridiculous) loss if you choose to not RP with people in the DE because they are renting an unused building.
Sometimes the sheer silly just makes me want to bap you people until it falls out of your ears and goes somewhere else.
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I didnt say that was what i was going to do. It just gets on my wick when I see these people telling poeple that such and such a thing is godmodding becuase it isnt specified in the settings. Everyone should play by the same rules. I felt protest is needed. But I do feel rather silly for getting so involved with something that hasnt affected me, in a computer game. /me sticks a postit note to that effect above his monitor
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:offtopic:
You know, if I were to rate the silliest arguments (made by good players! - that's the sad part) I have seen on the boards, the this very thread (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=28112.0) would make it to no. 1 and the Smillies (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=28014.0) one no. 2.
Absolutely pointless. :(
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You know Narure, that's just a silly argument. It's not specified in the settings, so what?
Of course the settings should be followed as much as possible and realism should always be used, but where does the settings say that you *can't rent buildings*. Obviously there's no way of knowing if that building is actually rentable or not or if someone is actually living there, but that doesn't matter because that's not implemented yet! It's like avoiding the road to the Bronze Doors because in the future more monsters can roam around there. You're making totally uncertain things interfere with your play and you're saying it's the settings.
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The amount the word silly is being used has made the word become meaningless, I hate it when that happens. But yeah one has to see the funny side. But yes I resign from the "silliness" as it is dubed and accept that it is mostly my fault. :sorcerer: (I just felt it was a long time since i saw that smily used.)
no hard feelings :D?
*eidit* i didnt say buildings couldnt be rented, peace out
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As you guys were complaining about people threatening murder against others for inane reasons recently in other threads...I'm guessing some people feel the issue is somewhat to do with hypocrisy.
Though that could just be misinterpretation on my part. :)
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:offtopic:
Ooooh, new flamebait!
/me takes some popcorn and watches the show
PS Seriously now, I would like to see this thread closed, dead, and buried deep within the bowels of the forum. *grabs a shovel*
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well, you see me somewhat surprised what this thread has come to.
I know, it was also my fault by saying some things that better had not been said, but I was somewhat shocked about what happened to me and I wondered how a Newbie had reacted by beeing told "go away or die" ...
After reading back my very first post it shows up, that my questions and the things I was wondering about have been answered for less than 20% in this thread.
There were further 50 % answered to me by PM and I nearly understood what happened there ... and I think it's clear now ...
But the reason why I wrote in the forums was to find an answer to that issue ... and I meant an answer not only for me, but for the public ... so it's a bit unfortunately that it was answered by PM.....
But okay ... thanks for answering at all
*Fozzy ducks and vanishes beeing aware of having opened the "stupiest thread of the week"
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Like I said...
The whole thing could have been dealt with in-game anyway.
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You've gotta be kidding me...5 pages already? I'm not reading all this. Can anyone give a summary as to why this simple topic reached 5 pages this fast?
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No. You know why? Because every time a topic reaches several pages in length, your first comment is something akin to "TLDR," and that's useless :P If you don't want to take the time to skim through the posts, you probably aren't going to add anything anyway.
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@Suno_Regin, I really wouldnt bother reading it if I was you. It wasnt that interesting as it happened to be honest.
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This evening my father collapsed and was unconsious for a while. Medics said it was probably becuase of dehydration. Seeing my father laying on the floor of the hall ....
And this is what I am reading up on now. *shakes head* :(
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We have picked a guild hall like we've seen guilds doing for quite a while. You are right to be wondering about it, and I do to. However we should make the scope larger, since what we have done isn't really just our doing alone. It's the doing of a part of the community. So that's what should be targeted.
We don't mind if anyone chooses to defy the Empire and claim that zone. It might even be interesting. But first I'd advise you to ask a Game Master if we're allowed to claim that space as our own. If the answer is yes, then do proceed to your plotting, while considering that you would be the ones seen as criminals. If the answer is no, then tell me about it. I'll try to negotiate something with the Game Masters and we'll surely find a nice place for ourselves somewhere else. We will, however, demand that the same kind of justice be applied to every other guild that has chosen a guild hall as well.
EDIT: Changed first paragraph's start.
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This evening my father collapsed and was unconsious for a while. Medics said it was probably becuase of dehydration. Seeing my father laying on the floor of the hall ....
And this is what I am reading up on now. *shakes head* :(
I know I shouldnt say this, but crap happens in all our lives. you have my sympathy, but life goes on, for all of us. we all have our little things to complain about and we will. your father collapsed, several thousand people have died while I type this post. Life Sucks.
I want to reaffirm my sympathy for you.
[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
[ Sorry --Idoru ]
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I don't particularly support personal rants and we all know it's not allowed to go on the forums and complain about what <enter name here> did or said in-game. That solves nothing. But I can see an honest concern behind the thread.
Had any of my characters been approached like that in the middle of the street, it would've triggered my "godmodder alert". Fine, you can say you rent a place here or there. I don't care. Many characters and guilds do that and it's ok. But if my character is walking down the street and, since most buildings are not even accessible, IC she would be on the street, not anywhere but the street, and someone came along and said they owned the place, I'd consider it IC madness or poor RP. IC, it's the street. You can't rent streets, as far as I know. That is godmodding and I would have little patience with such an approach, whatever the guild tag or player it was coming from, both IC and OOC. But that's me.
@Narure: I think you made very good points in this thread.
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The advantages of working indoors(And use forums or /group to RP it) and not having a turf are very good.
Adding to what @zhai said.
I RP having a medium-sized building as a "guild" house, but this does not give my character and the other "guild" members the right to claim the streets around it as theirs. And the members of it wouldn't vote for approving such thing anyway, as it would contradict the principle of "Freedom" from the organization as well, asides from being godmodding, as it interferes with other characters and will inevitably be questioned.
And taking a territory as a turf and threatening those who enter on it is more typical to gangs and criminal organizations as well.
Am I the only one noticing a certain bias around here?
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Added: What about possible legal consequences of threatening to kill someone for entering in a "turf"?
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Actually it is not a street but a small courtyard in between buildings and the Empire doesn't claim it as their own, since it is shared. They simply want to control who goes in or out in an RP sense. The Empire has quite a few enemies and it is only normal that they don't just allow anyone into a place where most of their vital members are stationed. Strangers with no reason to be there are treated with distrust and are preferably kept outside.
This is all roleplaying and it provides oppertunities. People are allowed inside if the Empire trusts them ... other people are still free to try and sneak past Guards. I've had an assassin sneak past me and almost kill me when I turned my back to him in there. Because I was so used to random non-RPers wandering in and ignoring them as soon as possible I thought this was one of them again so I was not on guard and expecting an RP. (bad roleplay on my part).
This is not about players having a feeling that the Empire is claiming areas that aren't theirs, nor about players being denied access to anything, anything at all that matters. Trust me, there is nothing at all to see in there .. except the Empire and the other guilds that are set up there.
All of this is said before so I'm going to stop replying here now ... everything has been said about this silly topic. Some people will just keep refusing to see the positive aspects for roleplay and feel wronged as a player .. sucks for them.
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Someone enters an area you've claimed. Do you:
a) Glare at him coldly.
b) Say hello and ask if you can help him.
c) Exclaim "OMG I KILL YOU NOW!!1eleven" because player-killing is the only reason you play the game. Be sure to call him a "coward" in /shout if he declines your challenge.
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Someone enters an area you've claimed. Do you:
a) Glare at him coldly.
b) Say hello and ask if you can help him.
One of those would make sense in rp, depending on what claim you have to it, your character's normal temperament, and related things. Or you might threaten to kill him if he doesn't have business there, which is different from c).
From what I know of the DE, it'd probably be a) if it was someone they didn't like, b) if it was just some random passerby (asking if they have an appointment), and the third one (not c, my third one) if they were an enemy of the DE or had otherwise gained the DE's distrust. But then, I don't know loads about it.
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Death threats, DE's position and such are things to be discussed in game. Someone could think that you're trying to shape people's perspective in an Out Of Character way. Which would be proof of a certain lack of capability to distinguish in character and out of character. Which would point towards an infantile way of playing this game.
Again, if you're bothered by our right to claim something as our own, please use the Game Masters. That's why they're here, to keep order in Out Of Character issues we can not control ourselves. Ranting and being frustrated about things but not actually doing something smart about them is both childish and useless.
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Actually it is not a street but a small courtyard in between buildings and the Empire doesn't claim it as their own, since it is shared. They simply want to control who goes in or out in an RP sense. The Empire has quite a few enemies and it is only normal that they don't just allow anyone into a place where most of their vital members are stationed. Strangers with no reason to be there are treated with distrust and are preferably kept outside.
It's still the street. Closing up an alley and calling it your own is still at least borderline godmodding. You might want to rethink that.
This is all roleplaying and it provides oppertunities. People are allowed inside if the Empire trusts them ... other people are still free to try and sneak past Guards. I've had an assassin sneak past me and almost kill me when I turned my back to him in there. Because I was so used to random non-RPers wandering in and ignoring them as soon as possible I thought this was one of them again so I was not on guard and expecting an RP. (bad roleplay on my part).
I hope you and your guild are ready to face the IC consequences of this. If you want to give a RP opportunity you should let ppl know that they can get involved with it somehow in the first place. For example:
Zhai walks down the street eating an apple.
Empire guy says: [btw, there's a gate by my right that leads into the building. it's half-way open and you can see there's a big cake inside]
Zhai mutters "Yummm... cake"
Now I got a reason to sneak in and get involved with your RP. My reaction could've been "Zhai shrugs and keeps walking". The choice is still mine and if I try to enter your RP space I should be ready for the consequences, like getting beaten up.
This is not about players having a feeling that the Empire is claiming areas that aren't theirs, nor about players being denied access to anything, anything at all that matters. Trust me, there is nothing at all to see in there .. except the Empire and the other guilds that are set up there.
You seem to be missing a point here: it is not about sightseeing around hydlaa. It's about the godmodding behind the fact that you can call a street your own and therefore forcing everyone around the area to see that space as yours. I know some tenants in that very same spot of town. Some have been RPing it for a while now. Were you going to act the same way if you'd bump into them walking up to their place? Imposing your RP on others is still a form of godmodding.
Well, I still think this topic does bring up some good points once we look past the ranting and we can all learn from it. Our RP is also work in progress and we gotta be flexible.
Edit: Tweaked some parts after morning coffee. Same arguments tho. :P
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Again, I'll have to point you towards the fact that neither you or me will be the ones deciding if it's right for us to claim that space as rented by the Empire. I know it is great to give your opinion about things, specially when it sounds smart, but is pointless when you are not achieving anything with it.
We don't consider this godmodding for the simple fact that it doesn't conflict with people in any unrealistic way. It's not like we can use that thing to control people's minds, or to possess anyone. If there are other people around that place, and if they say they own some buildings around, we would still be good about it. They'd be our neighbors, like the Survivors of Vaern are.
I'll repeat that we're glad to face the In Character consequences of everything. Just be sure that we'll consider the building as rented, and legally ours. If you don't agree speak to a Game Master, as we will do.
About threatening people of death and protecting the part in front of our building, well you guys should roleplay your frustration about it. Ask a guard (GM participation would be nice) about it, know your rights. Maybe we will even be fined for not allowing people access for something that maybe is public.
It's not hard to things in the right way. All you need is common sense and patience.
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I hope you and your guild are ready to face the IC consequences of this. If you want to give a RP opportunity you should let ppl know that they can get involved with it somehow in the first place. For example:
Zhai walks down the street eating an apple.
Empire guy says: [btw, there's a gate by my right that leads into the building. it's half-way open and you can see there's a big cake inside]
Zhai mutters "Yummm... cake"
Now I got a reason to sneak in and get involved with your RP. My reaction could've been "Zhai shrugs and keeps walking". The choice is still mine and if I try to enter your RP space I should be ready for the consequences, like getting beaten up.
Tsk tsk, replying IC to something OOC, Zhai, you should know better.
The main problem, as far as I can see (putting aside the fact that half the forum posters are whiners :whistling:) is that we used the term "Imperial Grounds". I can see why people don't like that but, it's just a misunderstanding. When you hear Imperial grounds you think that the Empire owns a plot of land inside the city (which isn't completely unbelievable) and so you, quite rightfully so at this time, call it godmodding. This fits into a wide spread problem of people not being able to understand that there are IC lies and exagerations. The house is rented, that much everybody agrees with. The land outside the house is guarded, if you can't understand this...yeah :whistling:. The term "Imperial Ground" was used IC, it is in no way an OOC claim. It's a piece of land that we keep people out of so we can conduct business, if the guard was alerted we could easily deny it and, seeing as you can not possibly bring forth proof, the guard would dismiss it.
In summary
IC - Imperial Ground.
OOC - Piece of Hydlaa that the Empire keeps people out of.
This is again, a common occurence of people being unable to distinguish IC from OOC.
Now, unless you plan on arguing that people shouldn't strongarm others and that everybody should be nice and happy...I think this discussion is done.
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The problem is that this sort of godmoding can be disruptive to the game for others and the guild member involved was not sensisitve to this.
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Wasn't it said like 100 times that that part was dealt with?
Don't bring it back up again :)
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Zanzi could probably argue it better :P
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Tempus Fugit, Redux.
Or is it Prelude and Fugue in G major?
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Zhai walks down the street eating an apple.
Empire guy says: [btw, there's a gate by my right that leads into the building. it's half-way open and you can see there's a big cake inside]
Zhai mutters "Yummm... cake"
Now I got a reason to sneak in and get involved with your RP. My reaction could've been "Zhai shrugs and keeps walking". The choice is still mine and if I try to enter your RP space I should be ready for the consequences, like getting beaten up.
Tsk tsk, replying IC to something OOC, Zhai, you should know better.
I replied to something that wasn't said but that I could see, thus I said (to myself) "Yum, cake". IC reaction.
The main problem, as far as I can see (putting aside the fact that half the forum posters are whiners :whistling:) is that we used the term "Imperial Grounds". I can see why people don't like that but, it's just a misunderstanding. When you hear Imperial grounds you think that the Empire owns a plot of land inside the city (which isn't completely unbelievable) and so you, quite rightfully so at this time, call it godmodding. This fits into a wide spread problem of people not being able to understand that there are IC lies and exagerations. The house is rented, that much everybody agrees with. The land outside the house is guarded, if you can't understand this...yeah :whistling:. The term "Imperial Ground" was used IC, it is in no way an OOC claim. It's a piece of land that we keep people out of so we can conduct business, if the guard was alerted we could easily deny it and, seeing as you can not possibly bring forth proof, the guard would dismiss it.
No. The problem is that you're taking a piece of street and accusing those who happen to pass by of intruders when IC it is a public place. The threats have little to do with this. Rent all you want but don't take the streets and change their role for other players. That is where the godmodding dwells. I have no problem with anyone claiming they rent a place.
In summary
IC - Imperial Ground.
OOC - Piece of Hydlaa that the Empire keeps people out of.
Again: not the streets. They already have a meaning IC.
Now, unless you plan on arguing that people shouldn't strongarm others and that everybody should be nice and happy...I think this discussion is done.
Strongarm all you want. I have no problem with characters being themselves. Just don't godmod while you're at it.
@Sangwa: Common sense indeed.
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Ok, ok .. we're not taking any streets or alleys or even buildings. The Empire will just conduct occasional meetings and other activities whereby their guards will shield the vital members from the broader public and thus possible harmful individuals. Not protecting land or anything here, just other people. Of course it does happen to be that we usually conduct our business in the same spot but hey .. coincidence huh.
Now if anyone still believes this to be godmodding .. then you're hopeless :P
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That is definetively not the way I would envision an Empire...
Back off! You iz in Imperial's Ground brudda! Back off or I will gots ta kill ya nigga!
It is better to wait for the proper features that will offer the proper challenges before claiming some territory as "Imperial Ground" on a make-believe. This act of claiming a region between streets as territory sounds more appropriate IC for "guilds" like The Outlaws and borders the line of godmodding as well. Perhaps we all should wait for the Tribes System before claiming lands. Specially lands that have a high probability of being public like city streets.
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27490.msg312867#msg312867 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27490.msg312867#msg312867)
Ok, ok .. we're not taking any streets or alleys or even buildings. The Empire will just conduct occasional meetings and other activities whereby their guards will shield the vital members from the broader public and thus possible harmful individuals. Not protecting land or anything here, just other people. Of course it does happen to be that we usually conduct our business in the same spot but hey .. coincidence huh.
Now if anyone still believes this to be godmodding .. then you're hopeless :P
Refrain from using the term "Imperial Ground" then bro' or you wanna be messing with my turf! :P
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Everything is public, except the Winch ... then again nothing might be public. Even the streets might belong to some wealthy merchant or politician. Why does one need to be a criminal to have a home?
And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street. :P
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Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.
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Everything is public, except the Winch ... then again nothing might be public. Even the streets might belong to some wealthy merchant or politician. Why does one need to be a criminal to have a home?
And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street. :P
I don't think there is any fence, gate or wall blocking completely its entrance from those who don't have a key to open the gate :P
And those who claim parts of a city(smaller or larger) as their turf or territory are usually gangs.
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I don't understand why you can't deal with this in-game.
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/me places an three meter tall iron fence at the entrance to the courtyard and locks the only gate with a thick chain, then he puts the key in his inner pocket and stands guard infront of that gate
Happy now? :P .. wait no this is where you'll complain about there being no real fence and then I'll reply that it's impossible to have any real fences since the first functional door is only implemented recently .. and so on and so forth.
Isn't this discussion a grand contribution to the game and especially roleplaying? :D
Sorry, Kary .. it's just so hard to resist replying to hollow arguments for the umpteenth time ... okay maybe I should get back to my actual life now ::)
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In summary
IC - Imperial Ground.
OOC - Piece of Hydlaa that the Empire keeps people out of.
Again: not the streets. They already have a meaning IC.
Zhai, you misunderstood me. Read the post over again.
Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.
To actualy kill somebody would be illegal, I doubt there is a law against guarding the land near your home, and even if there were, as I pointed out in my post, you'd be hard pressed to prove it ;)
And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street. :P
So, pretty much, this is an IC matter and I doubt any of your characters really care so, next thread?
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This thread is ridiculous, arguing over whether a place can or not be rented when it clearly doesn't break any setting rules. As for the fact he said it was Imperial ground and it was said on the street, this is possibly because at the moment we have no access to these buildings or maybe he just got carried away with the RP. either way it doesn't warrant 7-8 pages of this nonsense. The guild I am in has held cerimonies in a certain place in Hydlaa for months.
If anyone thinks it's illegal for them to do this RP it accordingly in-game, don't drag it on the forums.
Personally I find your guild-house a good idea and my character being like he is will probably question IG if it's legal or not, which means more RP \o/
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You may use an area Gharan, but that doesnt equate to ownership, how do you treat those who enter the area when you are around?
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This thread is ridiculous, arguing over whether a place can or not be rented when it clearly doesn't break any setting rules. As for the fact he said it was Imperial ground and it was said on the street, this is possibly because at the moment we have no access to these buildings or maybe he just got carried away with the RP. either way it doesn't warrant 7-8 pages of this nonsense. The guild I am in has held cerimonies in a certain place in Hydlaa for months.
If anyone thinks it's illegal for them to do this RP it accordingly in-game, don't drag it on the forums.
Personally I find your guild-house a good idea and my character being like he is will probably question IG if it's legal or not, which means more RP \o/
What disturbs me though is the reaction of the guild member to the supposed trespasser. There was no good IC reason for it, unless you're A) psychotic or B) someone who goes around trying to start street fights for no good reason.
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What disturbs me though is the reaction of the guild member to the supposed trespasser. There was no good IC reason for it, unless you're A) psychotic or B) someone who goes around trying to start street fights for no good reason.
You're right, but i'm sure it was a mistake, they happen.
@Idoru Renting is 100% different from ownership
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Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.
To actualy kill somebody would be illegal, I doubt there is a law against guarding the land near your home, and even if there were, as I pointed out in my post, you'd be hard pressed to prove it ;)
And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street. :P
So, pretty much, this is an IC matter and I doubt any of your characters really care so, next thread?
If i marched up to the top of my road and refused anyone access im sure the police would come have a word with me. And no my character couldnt care less but I'm sure the hydlaa gaurds would but as it happens they dont have AI as of yet hence why i think its godmodding... and i know I said I would shut up but that was yesterday :P
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@Idoru Renting is 100% different from ownership
That wasnt my point mate, my point was 'How do you treat people in 'your' area?'
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You're right, but i'm sure it was a mistake, they happen.
They usually happen for a reason.
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@Narure: And if the guard did come they'd probably 1, not care because of where it's happening or 2, tell us to stop.
If it's the first then yay Empire.
If it's the second then hide the fact that we are still doing it :P
I still doubt the guard would care if you kept people away from your apartment, even if the ground is public it's virtualy useless.
@Zanzibar: Err, no... :P
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I know you guys like using the forum to discuss everything that enters your heads, but some things are much better addressed in the game and through roleplay. So go roleplay, see how your character interacts and is treated, see if your character cares at all, and then come back here to post something more than just hypothetical theorizing.
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the gaurd could also slap shackles on you. I know my character wouldnt care but I do. If me walking up and stabbing someone and not expecting any consiquences is bad RP then if this is breaking the law, which i think it is, it should be branded the same. If anything I would like to encourage anyone whos character does care to have their character do something about it as you would if an openly criminal guild did the same. If they dont manage to do anything.. then yes, yay empire.
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Your character might not care about stabbing people in the streets, but if you personally do are you going to be crying out against assassinations in the game?
Everyone, take my advice. Go in-game and see how it affects your character. Take a look at how the situation is being handled by the guild in question now, and only then come back to complain about it if you feel it is warranted.
The stupid in this thread hasn't gone away yet, and I'm sitting here tapping my foot hoping all of you have something better to do than yell at each other for RP renting sections of Hydlaa no one cares about.
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I would cry out if someone was assasinated and we all knew who it was IC and nothing happened about it.
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I'm sitting here tapping my foot hoping all of you have something better to do than yell at each other for RP renting sections of Hydlaa no one cares about.
Hope is good! False hope; not so good :P
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I lock stupid threads after a while :) So I'm giving the posters several chances to drop the stupid and find other things to moan about, perhaps things of greater importance and consequence.
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Hope is good! False hope; not so good
Being hopeless is worst.
Listen to Karyuu. If your character finds anything wrong, make him react. If you find anything wrong, report to a Game Master. No ranting, no pointless reasoning, and specially no trying to smear people's perspective of DE in an Out Of Character way. Because that's as childish as bending the rules of a game when you're losing.
I don't think people will find much to speak about Imperial Groundish things of importance. This thread might as well be locked.
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Listen to Karyuu. If your character finds anything wrong, make him react. If you find anything wrong, report to a Game Master. No ranting, no pointless reasoning, and specially no trying to smear people's perspective of DE in an Out Of Character way. Because that's as
I'm not ranting, I'm trying to discuss. If my reasoning is pointless then show why it is by reasoning against it rather than just having it called stupid by a moderator. I am in no way trying to smear peoples perspective of the DE in anyway, I'm trying to argue the point against people breaking IC laws and nobody doing anything about it where as they would in other cases if the guild was openly breaking the law just because it is not imediatly obvious because there are no gaurds doing what gaurds would do.
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Narure, care to point out an official declaration of IC laws which we are breaking? By official I mean either it being in the settings or stated by someone with the authority to .. not a personal opinion of a player.
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So if i went through the settings and looked at every law not mentioned in them it would be perfectly acceptable for me to break them and not accept any of the consiquences IC?
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errr .... if I had known this would happen, I wouldn't have asked here.
I've learned something ...
I will not ask here next time ... if it has to do with a guild I will ask the guild leader (either in game or by PM)
But this .... no thanks
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:P Just because you started the thread doesnt make you responsible for what people seem to think is a completly unproductive mess... Not that i agree. But if you dont like it you dont have to read it people. :D
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While I hate to admit it about certain things ... nobody can arrest you for killing or robbing a person, unless you let them. So basically, yes you can chose not to accept any consequences.
This topic isn't as black and white as killing or stealing, which is an offence for anyone with a bit of common sense. Guarding your own back yard is not, it's not even an offence in most countries if it's in self defence. Tresspassing is an offence in most places however :P
Does this dismiss your argument enough?
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You dont own the courtyard, so no.
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Woo circular argument.
End of discussion. Throw the padlock on it!
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Your discussion is pointless for the simple fact that it will have no outcome. It will change nothing, it will contribute with nothing, it will reach no conclusion. You're trying to discuss things that don't have a place to be discussed here, because they're meant to be discussed In Character. We could spend all day talking about what trespassing is, about who owns what, but it wouldn't change the fact that we will consider that buildings ours, and that we will protect our members. And unless a Game Master tells us to do otherwise, that is what will keep happening.
I'm not ranting, I'm trying to discuss. If my reasoning is pointless then show why it is by reasoning against it rather than just having it called stupid by a moderator. I am in no way trying to smear peoples perspective of the DE in anyway, I'm trying to argue the point against people breaking IC laws and nobody doing anything about it where as they would in other cases if the guild was openly breaking the law just because it is not imediatly obvious because there are no gaurds doing what gaurds would do.
That person obviously didn't call any guards. The place is in a sort of alley, so I doubt any guards would be nearby. That person was alone, it has no witnesses. So your point is? If you're telling us that, in this isolated incident in a back alley there should be a guard, and our member should have been punished... Well.. I think that's a rant. It's what you would like to have happened. It didn't happen though.
EDIT: It's pretty easy to say logic things and wish for them to have any relevance. It's actually not so easy to make it so. Either you come up with an Out Of Character, plausible reason, which discussion will bring about something useful for any of us, or you hush and look around for other threads where your opinion might have any weight.
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I'm saying that if the empire are stopping many people entering the area then the guards would be alerted, if they could be and you would be turfed out.
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Go and alert the guards then!
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I'm saying that if the empire are stopping many people entering the area then the guards would be alerted, if they could be and you would be turfed out.
That hasn't happened. If it did I guess you would be right. Does that make you satisfied?
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Yes. But from what I've read up to this points towards that being the case in the fact that you are saying to have right to 'protect your land'. If it isnt then fair enough.
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Irrelevant. Just keep in mind that one single person was threatened by a member of ours for stepping into an area that is in front of our building. It was an isolated event, no one knows about it in character besides the person and the member.
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But you agree if others were to know it would be and is illegal what you are doing if indeed you are doing it at all, which i assumed you were from posts by your members. See something productive, one would hope. ;)
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Like Sangwa said .. pointless argument. It's a matter of opinions since nobody here has the authority to say whether renting an in-game place is legal or illegal.
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Like Sangwa said .. pointless argument. It's a matter of opinions since nobody here has the authority to say whether renting an in-game place is legal or illegal.
.... the Dark Empire didn't rent anything. They just declared it to be theirs and they started roleplaying that way. There is no system in game that allows players to rent land or buy houses.
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Stop talking about things you don't know anything about, zanzibar. The Empire started using that courtyard as a meeting place. Never ever did they declare it as their own land. And you're making an invalid argument there, you're saying that what the Empire is doing is unrealistic because renting is not implemented and in the same line you talk about roleplay?
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Stop talking about things you don't know anything about, zanzibar. The Empire started using that courtyard as a meeting place. Never ever did they declare it as their own land. And you're making an invalid argument there, you're saying that what the Empire is doing is unrealistic because renting is not implemented and in the same line you talk about roleplay?
an area that is in front of our building.
someone said they owned it or at least had possesion
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Again, if we can't have buildings, so can't anyone else. It's not really our problem, it's a problem from part of the community. And if you want to discuss this, discuss it under another thread. Because this has nothing to do with it: It's named Imperial Ground not "Can People & Guilds Own Buildings?"
If we aren't renting it, than we assume that what you write on your own description is wrong too. Because there is no system that guarantees that you can have those clothes. Be consistent please. If you think we are godmodding, report to a Game Master. That's what intelligent, non-ranting people do. You people need to be told things three or four times before you get it. It becomes tiring, annoying and silly.
Narure, I don't care for what would and could happen. It has no interest currently.
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This whole thing reminds me of the black knight from Monty Python, who guarded a tiny useless bridge - "None shall pass!" >:(
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:offtopic: but he was still a brave fighter after loosing arms and legs ... :offtopic:
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Game masters cant do anything. You could run around saying your the leader of a dragon wearewolf machine gun cult and as long as you dont use leet speak they cant do anything because "there are no rules on how to RP" so telling us to talk to the GMs is void.
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It's everything but void. If someone with authority tells me to do something, I will do so. If someone like you expects something from me, but have neither the authority or enough arguments to convince me, you will not get it. It's not my fault if you underestimate the Game Masters work. And here's not the place to discuss it.
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Game masters cant do anything. You could run around saying your the leader of a dragon wearewolf machine gun cult and as long as you dont use leet speak they cant do anything because "there are no rules on how to RP" so telling us to talk to the GMs is void.
Not true. You cannot disrupt the game for others. Going OOC is also against the rules.
Stop talking about things you don't know anything about, zanzibar. The Empire started using that courtyard as a meeting place. Never ever did they declare it as their own land. And you're making an invalid argument there, you're saying that what the Empire is doing is unrealistic because renting is not implemented and in the same line you talk about roleplay?
You are completely out of line with that statement. Setill had a "spot" around there as far back as when I was still in the guild, so why don't you stop talking about things you don't know anything about? :thumbdown:
"Roleplay" does not mean "Do whatever you want". There is NO system in game right now that allows you to rent land and buy buildings. NONE. So it's godmoding. Wrong? Not necessarily. Problematic? Yes.
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"Roleplay" does not mean "Do whatever you want". There is NO system in game right now that allows you to rent land and buy buildings. NONE. So it's godmoding. Wrong? Not necessarily. Problematic? Yes.
There is no system in game right now that allows you to dress your character in the way you like. None. So it's godmodding when you make your descriptions like you do? There's no system that guarantees that you can hug a person in game. But you use /me to hug that person still. There's no systems for a lots of things and we still roleplay them. Some of them are godmodding, when they wouldn't be possible even if there was a system that allowed them.
The Empire, however, has the money to create plenty of guilds and to have its members well armed and trained. So I'd say we'd have also the power to rent a building. If a Game Master wants, we can pay monthly to him or her to make it look more realistic. We actually burn materials to make our uniforms, so expending money for roleplay reasons isn't anything strange to us.
If this is wrong or not, godmodding or not, problematic or not, it is not for us to care about in this thread. Keep in mind that we're not alone on this. If you want to truly discuss this, create a new thread without discriminating the Empire. There are other guilds that do the same.
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I can't beleive this thread is still going...
They rent a building, so what. How it can be termed as godmodding is beyond me and Sangwa's right, just beacause it's not laid in law in the settings doesn't mean we can't RP it. The Empire would have the tria to rent a building and I see no problem with it. They haven't claimed to own the property they are merely paying to use the building for there discussions. As for saying it was Imperial Ground that goes with the RP. I'm sure my guild wouldn't like to be disturbed when holding important talks.
It's getting to the point where every RP is questioned to be against the settings or someone has a problem with it.
I'll quote Moogie I think it fits the thread nicely:
A visit is nice and all, but I don't belong amongst all these new "hardcore" RP nutters. I'm from the Molecular Blue family, and damn proud of it! I miss those days of friendship and fun, nobody cared if you didn't follow strict RP "rules", the community wasn't so anal and aggressive.
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I'll quote Moogie I think it fits the thread nicely:
A visit is nice and all, but I don't belong amongst all these new "hardcore" RP nutters. I'm from the Molecular Blue family, and damn proud of it! I miss those days of friendship and fun, nobody cared if you didn't follow strict RP "rules", the community wasn't so anal and aggressive.
**sheds a bit of a tear**
Long live the Molecular Blue family :D
Nice quote by the way.
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Oh give me a break. If anything, things are MORE relaxed now than they were when I started playing. People are doing all sorts of
stupid "interesting" things with their roleplays and they're going outside the settings constantly.
All I'm really saying is that if you godmode by claiming you own property or plots of land, you have NO right to freak out if others don't understand or don't agree!
@Sangwa: Your logic is bogus:
There are a lot of actions with no system in place to support them.
People regularly do things which are not supported by the game mechanics.
Therefore, every single thing with no system in place to support it is ok to do.
That's just silly. There's an infinite number of things and activities which aren't supported by the game mechanics and it's foolish to suggest that they're all ok to do just because some are ok to do. The vast majority are NOT ok.
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All I'm really saying is that if you godmode by claiming you own property or plots of land, you have NO right to freak out if others don't understand or don't agree!
If people want to freak out do it IC and only if they actually come across the RP, I see no sense into dragging it on the forum and I can imagine people will use the knowledge learned in this thread as IC knowledge and will try and question the DE before there char even officially knows about it. This is just a guess but i bet it happens.
/me stops fueling a dead flame and leaves the thread.
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That was not my logic. My logic was the following:
There are a lot of actions with no system in place to support them.
People regularly do things which are not supported by the game mechanics.
Some things that are not supported by the game mechanics are considered godmodding when they wouldn't be possible even if the game mechanics supported them.
Therefore doing something that seems plausible shouldn't be considered godmodding.
I was actually saying that there were two ways of doing things which are not supported by the game mechanics: one is compatible with the setting, the other is not. Game Masters tell us what is or is not compatible. So Game Masters decide.
Now, how could you have missed that logic? In my previous post I did state all of this in a clear way. I gave you an example of things that are not supported by the game mechanics but are not considered godmodding either. I gave you the example why I thought mine shouldn't be considered godmodding. And I made it clear that you won't be the person telling me if it actually is allowed or not.
Simple logic. It's not bogus, it's not silly, it's actually easy to understand. In fact, it's intuitive once you read it once or twice. As should be the concept that this discussion does not apply for the Dark Empire only and therefore should not be discussed on a thread that discriminates the Empire as the single discussion object.
Maybe I'm way off when I try to write things considering people have a good level of comprehension. But when I do things in an overly explicative way, people think I'm using a patronizing tone. You guys are impossible.
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Oh give me a break. If anything, things are MORE relaxed now than they were when I started playing. People are doing all sorts of stupid "interesting" things with their roleplays and they're going outside the settings constantly.
You don't remember MB then do you...
**Remembers magically flying around on chairs in the Temple with Zetsumei and Hevrah while summoning demons**
It's quite obvious that this will either be concluded by A Game Master or just taken IC. Either way, the forums aren't of much use anymore.
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Everyone, go outside. Go read a book. Go save a whale. Just stop wasting your time and my time with this pointless bickering, because you're doing an amazing job at making our community look like a nutty sitcom.
There is no way I'm reopening this thread unless someone like Vengeance prompts me to. If you want to argue about something this inane, do it somewhere else.