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Gameplay => In-Game Roleplay Events => Topic started by: IkonRevisions on October 05, 2011, 02:48:36 pm
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In response to the Wedding incident as well as the current RP dealings of the Stillwater Peace Corps
Kind of interesting to read about all this when many people believe the actions done at this wedding was a plot that was devised with the full support of the Stillwater Peace Corps. The truth is that Ikon and the other leaders of the guild had no say in it, the simple truth is ICly Ikon still has not the slightest clue this has even happened. Maybe, when it comes to his knowledge Kisoji might get a time out or maybe a more fun RP display as a public punishment ( 10 lashes anyone? :whistling: ).
Just wanted to clarify this to those who are not aware of this yet as it seems OOC anger and frustration has leaked from this event into further RP myself and my group are working to achieve. The little stuff at the mine is just the beginning at at least whenever I am involved or online the conflicts and encounters at the platinum mine have been a rp first and defend yourself or our claims if foreign parties aggressively attack or do not accept our terms and then commit blatant theft continuing to mine there for an extended amount of time.
One thing I will say is if you feel any actions by members of the SPC does not quite come a crossed as proper RP for the situation please feel free to discuss it with me and maybe it is just a misunderstanding that would be clarified easier with some discussion OOCly about the guilds focus and backstory. However, also I could agree that the actions are not appropriate and then I will work to stop it from happening again. We wish to stand as a unpopular force ICly to many but wish to maintain/gain an image as a group that provides quality in game role-play that adds to the enjoyment as well as the diversity to the game for the majority of the players that we encounter.
Final note:
I will post again later if indeed a public punishment is to be ordered for Kisoji's actions as a rp event and as well look forward to a public unveiling of the SPC's background, motivations, and organization via the guild forum posted just prior to a "Stillwater Peace Rally" within the next couple weeks. A date will be set soon.
By declaring this I am kind of looking for some advice on the best way to run these events as well as seeing if there is any interest in such things at all. Also, if there is a couple people of different experience and backgrounds with PS that would like to read over the guild writeup ahead of time and provide some legitimate input that would be helpful as well, thus far I feel the overall support for at least where our group is headed as a rp entity is mostly positive and would like to keep that trend.
Thank you much, cheers.
-Ikon
( The least smelly of the Menki )
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Maybe you could hold the Peace rally in the Dlayo pit? just an idea.
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The Dlayo pit + "Peace Rally" does not seem to convey the message that we strive for, not matter how diluted and corrupt that message ultimately is. :devil:
I think it would be nice to have in the center of the plaza in a classical militaristic manner but any serious considerations / advice on all this will be considered. I mean the whole point is to generate RP that by-in-large is enjoyable for all those who participate.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
-Ikon
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i am posting this for a member the bloodstone brethren who has quit the game now.
PROBLEM: The actions of a group [StillWater] of power leveling duelers with extreme stats are endeavoring to control access to the planeshift game mining area surrounding the hill top between the Ojaroad1/2 passage and the derghir npc village. This works against the often adveritised economic balance that the game claims to seek for the good of all. The idea to demand payment for the digging of the ore is outside all current game conditions. With the new Tribe combat rules, the Beast npcs will be the preferred access control, as opposed to a profit-seeking monopoly of player characters.
This situation involves a single and unique resource [platinum ore] that is a crafter resource for new products recently introduced into the game, and the free access and income of the miners that support the crafter needs. The control of this resource is made possible by having this resource in a pvp open kill zone. With this zone having unclear boundaries and an action group of exploiters in the area, it is also unclear if the quests involving the derghir npcs will also come under contention by this group seeking leverage. As it has been mentioned by the members of this guild that it is their land and intend to clain a derghir build is their guild property to support their claims of ownership. If this area has been licensed to the guild, then a GM controlled "government representative" of appropriate rank should appear as an NPC in game to declare if it is true that the named guild had ownership rights to do as they deem in their best interest, given the issues involved.
A proposed solution for the situation should be considered before more players take exception to the matter and leave.
Options to deflate tension of the situation:
1) Create a new second platinum mine that is NOT in a PVP kill zone for the other player characters to use that have no desire to opt into the guild declared ROLEPLAY incentive, but wish to continue as before with their own options for entertainment.
2) Remove the PVP kill area from the currently only platinum mine. Add npc beasts if some access difficulty is desirable for balance tuning.
3) Censor the activies of the player characters seeking to usurp access to the area in mass placing claims on the resource of the platinum ore.
4) Watch as similar groups further entend their control of game resources as the opportunities present themselves.
Yours Henik Largen
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Henik,
That is actually quite well said and I understand your feelings and you make some valid points but I have a few statements I would like to address.
Firstly, the action of trying to claim lands is by no means accepted by the in game governing bodies of Yliakum. The SPC is simply acting on its groups principles that it shall have rights to whatever it can manage to claim. This will of course only likely continue until it has come to a level to be noticed by the authorities and they will take action against us. However, until this time we will try to exercise control at the Platinum mine and likely other area's to come.
I believe that in this whole mine RP thus far hardly anyone who wishes to mine has been effected more than normal as we focus on roleplaying our control and are more than open to business discussions.
Secondly, for those who are not aware of the PvP boundaries if you stay off the inclines to the hills between the exit to Oja road 2 and the floor of the derghir camp you are perfectly safe. The purpose of this action is not to try and add some danger to mining the precious metal of platinum but rather just as a good start point to gain influence/reputation in Yliakum.
Finally, I do not think that people wishing to mine, train, and explore should steer away from RP that represents itself to you even if the outcome can be a negative one for your character. I see far too often people simply ignoring RP in wish to continue mining or power leveling and do so without even an OOC tell asking me or others to leave them alone and then bring up accusations of us harassing them. I would say that if looked at logically if you are trying to address someone in a matter serious to you and they just ignore you, this is quite and insult and hostilities could likely follow depending on the personality of said person.
Overall, I would like to see people find the opportunity for this added RP as more of a gain then maybe the loss of a couple minutes of platinum mining. I think this is a reasonable thing to hope for, isn't it?
Thanks again for the input. :thumbup:
-Ikon
( A gentleman and a scholar ::) )
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As a player, I fully support the RP actions undertaken by SPC. It's a great villainous RP, that has the potential to include over half the player base. It does not discriminate on guild/race/time/etc. All are potential players in this RP. You can choose to pay, you can choose to fight, you can choose to surround yourself with a group and force a way into the mine. There are MANY possibilities here. If someone's only reasoning against this is "I can't mine to make tria" then they are going against the role-playing basis of the server.
It disgusts me to no end to see people constantly lambasting the evil-doers. I've read through a fair bit of the guild history and backstory for SPC. I think it's fun, creative and has a lot of potential. It's sad that an entire guild is being blamed because a few people took exception to the actions of Mordas and Kisoji. IIRC Mordas isn't even in SPC. Unless he recently changed guilds, he's POC. And while Kisoji *is* SPC, you shouldn't continue casting aspersions on a guild based upon one member. This guild is creating RP. Good RP. I've heard from many people who are very happy with the last few days RP, and who are looking forwards to more of it. I've also heard that many of the leaders of SPC are taking initiative and discussing things OOCly to ensure that the subsequent RP is both fun and fair. You guys seem to be doing a great job from the player feedback I've been getting. Even from the people you kill off ;)
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Just so people understand the GMs aren't going to get in the way of evil RPs just because they are evil. As long as there is RP going on before, during or after the evil deeds then there is no problem as far as the GM team is concerned. So far it seems like the two events, the wedding and the take over of the mine, are two completely different things. At the wedding there doesn't appear to have been any RP either before, during or after the wedding to justify the actions taken at the wedding. I'm sure there would have been a lot less upset feelings if there had been any kind of role play to support what happened. While some people may think what happened at the wedding involved RP the vast majority of the GMs are having a hard time seeing what happened at the wedding as any kind of legitimate RP.
The situation at the mine is completely different. from what I have witnessed people are not attacked without some conversation taking place. In fact the only attacks I have seen at the mine were in cases where the miner basically ignored what was being said to them and they kept on mining or someone approached the mine and attacked first. In some cases larger groups of people are coming to the mine to drive off the Stillwater defenders, if any are there, so people can mine in peace. Any time you get more people together in groups and more role play is happening that is generally a good thing. At some time in the future if the situation at the mine doesn't end or the Stillwaters get to big for their britches ( as the old saying goes) The Octarch will get involved. For now since there is good RP going on even if it is a bit OOC the GMs aren't going to ruin the fun that hopefully most people are having.
I would hope that if someone needs some plat for a quest that some OOC arrangements can be made so so that someone's quest progression doesn't get stalled. For other people who need plat, like crafters, you might look at your options, like gathering enough of your friends and guild mates so you can take over the mine for a while. One thing I'd like to suggest for people on both sides. If you are killed at the mine it is really OOC to just rush right back to the mine and continue fighting. After all the DR is suppose to be an ever changing maze so getting out of the DR every time is suppose to be a challenge. I would like to suggest people adopt the policy that if you are killed at the mine stay away from the mine for some time period, say maybe 4 game hours, to more IC'ly reflect the time it should take to get out of the DR.
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I see some great RP potential in the mine take over thing. I ran out there last night to see for myself what was going on, and ended up in a conversation with Damryr (hope I got his name right) and Realito. I'm almost certain I'd have gotten better RP out of one of the Derghirs than I experienced with Damryr, he didn't seem to know why he was there even, except to keep people from mining without a permit. He couldn't answer questions like who to get a permit from, how much one was or anything else. He said we'd have to talk to his generals but never did give us any names etc. Now OOC I know who his generals are but ICly I haven't a clue. Anyway I left with the impression that this was a rather poorly planned rp event. On the other hand, if he was supposed to be completely ignorant, mission accomplished! ;D
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Glad to see you took my advice on immediately addressing the wedding to heart, that should help clear up a lot of (legitimately earned) bad feelings.
Long as it stays in an RP setting, which so far it seems to be (hell, Trav even wore a hood and hid his guild ring and WASNT RECOGNIZED! I was very much shocked.) them im 100% for it, and am happy to help.
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I am glad that people have found our RP attempts thus far to be in the right direction with many people giving us the thumbs up more than not.
I guess in response about Damryr's RP he really has not been told much on purpose, as the Generals do the thinking and talking and he just does his job as a soldier and guards and brings anyone with questions to one of the Generals. Sorry that the RP with him was not so interesting though but in his role he is left out of most of the planning and reasoning behind our actions / where we tend to eventually go with it all.
Hopefully, in the future the RP aspect will be enhanced with future, more encompassing events!
Cheers and thanks for all the comments & input. We all know it is the player base that keeps us coming back for more.
-Ikon
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We wish to stand as a unpopular force ICly to many but wish to maintain/gain an image as a group that provides quality in game role-play
This is literally what I've been wondering for the duration of this whole affair. The fact that you guys are TRYING to be jerks clears things up a lot. Thank you for someone finally putting that out there.
Tessra - I'm curious as to where you read this guild history. After Jjairr had a run-in with Kisoji and some other Stillwater minions on the Plaza, I tried to find out a bit more about the group to answer the "Are they being rude on purpose?" question and was unable to locate anything on the forums. I would like to know more about this group that actually aims to be disliked.
All that being said, I don't find a problem with the mine takeover for all of the reasons stated. If it encourages good RP, full speed ahead. As Sarva said, GMs won't get in the way of evil RP just because it's evil :) We need some proper villains in this game. If people have a problem with it, their characters should get together and do what they can to solve the problem by whatever means deemed appropriate, instead of the players getting upset OOC. After all, what should I care if Jjairr can't mine platinum? She's the one who's being inconvenienced, not me.
(Not that Jjairr can mine platinum. Just saying.)
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SPC is ace, I fully support what they are doing.
As a player of a number years(Thus giving me the right to lecture,just read through this and imagine me wagging my finger at you all.;P) groups like these are quite boss. It is a bold RP that has ruffled a few feathers...fantastic!
I think it needs to be reminded that PS is an RP(so sorry if your exciting mining is halted, I doubt you enjoy it that much anyways) game and that also you are not your character. A lot of people over the years have got a little emotional about what has happened to their character,and often upset ooc because of something that happen to their character in rp. I think the Tragic Wedding is an example of that, having read some post on other threads. Not saying this RP was done perfectly( hence the creation of this thread....I figure) but what SPC are trying to do should be encouraged(with some constructive criticism) rather than have a reception of moral outrage that it has been given by some.(Asking for bans etc....bitch please!)
Peace and Chicken grease my peoples.
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i am posting this for a member the bloodstone brethren who has quit the game now.
PROBLEM: The actions of a group [StillWater] of power leveling duelers with extreme stats are endeavoring to control access to the planeshift game mining area surrounding the hill top between the Ojaroad1/2 passage and the derghir npc village. This works against the often adveritised economic balance that the game claims to seek for the good of all. The idea to demand payment for the digging of the ore is outside all current game conditions. With the new Tribe combat rules, the Beast npcs will be the preferred access control, as opposed to a profit-seeking monopoly of player characters.
This situation involves a single and unique resource [platinum ore] that is a crafter resource for new products recently introduced into the game, and the free access and income of the miners that support the crafter needs. The control of this resource is made possible by having this resource in a pvp open kill zone. With this zone having unclear boundaries and an action group of exploiters in the area, it is also unclear if the quests involving the derghir npcs will also come under contention by this group seeking leverage. As it has been mentioned by the members of this guild that it is their land and intend to clain a derghir build is their guild property to support their claims of ownership. If this area has been licensed to the guild, then a GM controlled "government representative" of appropriate rank should appear as an NPC in game to declare if it is true that the named guild had ownership rights to do as they deem in their best interest, given the issues involved.
A proposed solution for the situation should be considered before more players take exception to the matter and leave.
Options to deflate tension of the situation:
1) Create a new second platinum mine that is NOT in a PVP kill zone for the other player characters to use that have no desire to opt into the guild declared ROLEPLAY incentive, but wish to continue as before with their own options for entertainment.
2) Remove the PVP kill area from the currently only platinum mine. Add npc beasts if some access difficulty is desirable for balance tuning.
3) Censor the activies of the player characters seeking to usurp access to the area in mass placing claims on the resource of the platinum ore.
4) Watch as similar groups further entend their control of game resources as the opportunities present themselves.
Yours Henik Largen
The bold bit is a bit of an issue for me, I find PLing a dull affair, thus at a disadvantage for certain RPs....but that has been discussed before and has many threads about it...probably. It will be an age old issue I feel.
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I would say just keep an eye out for events as well as a post of the guilds background, organization, and overall goals soon on the forum. I think once people know more about our guild and get experience with us seeing that we are out to bring high quality ( although a bit evil/jerkish ) RP to the game at a level that is currently missing.
Right now I am finishing up the writeup with just the background story with a little left to be written and when the timing is right I will post it up. Though with the interest developing of late I think if I can get it looked over by the other leaders once more than it could be available to read and critique ( be ruthless! :detective: ) by the end of the weekend.
Before i finished this little reply I saw Roberts post and you are spot on with how I feel. RP first with some diversity, all this exciting mining and what not can wait. \\o//
-Ikon
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I'd say as an RP this development is definitely interesting, and it can't be judged as OOC one. However I see several problems with it, caused mostly by technical reasons:
1. It's based on side technicality (i.e. pvp zone), which enables more realistic scenarios in a limited area, while in reality any mine could be usurped by some thugs, and attack can happen anywhere, the whole concept of the "pvp zone" is unrealistic completely, and used as means to preserve sane gaming environment. However the fact that other mines don't share the same feature makes it unbalanced and looking more like an exploit.
2. RP is unrealistic also for a different reason, because there is zero input from the officials within the settings. In reality, since platinum is an important resource, and unique on the Dome level, usurping it will naturally cause the defensive action of the official army or whatever law enforcement is around there. Basically octarch will send some forces to smoke usurpers out / will place guards around the mine etc. The fact that settings provide zero input for that is kind of an exploit as well, making the whole RP rather unrealistic, or matching the state of anarchy where government involvement accounts to nothing.
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making the whole RP rather unrealistic, or matching the state of anarchy where government involvement accounts to nothing.
that IS the perceived state of things, isn't it? But! if that were the case, it'd make sense if the SPC were acting out in an area of governmental neglect, basically forcing a service down our throats that the octarch should have been providing in the first place, a safe mining environment. Once everyone falls in line with the SPC's demands, they'll see that the SPC's endgame is peace under their control.
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The so called "safe environment" also known as "protection" or "roof" in the criminal slang, is a common racketeers' euphemism. Presence of armed bandits neither makes it really safer, nor helps miners feel any better ;)
I didn't realize that settings assume the state of total anarchy around, and no interest of any officials in resources and etc. I thought it's a technical issue, since engine can't provide any real guard / army / other NPC involvement in any complex activity so far.
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The so called "safe environment" also known as "protection" or "roof" in the criminal slang, is a common racketeers' euphemism. Presence of armed bandits neither makes it really safer, nor helps miners feel any better ;)
I didn't realize that settings assume the state of total anarchy around, and no interest of any officials in resources and etc. I thought it's a technical issue, since engine can't provide any real guard / army / other NPC involvement in any complex activity so far.
Same here, they just dont have enough people to do it manually nor engine power to make an NPC version
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I totally get what people are saying regarding the authorities stepping in to stop what I and the rest of the SPC are doing at the Platinum mine. Before we even started this roleplay we knew that if we pushed our claims too much or for too long on the mine or other areas they would eventually step int to try and dissolve the situation and punish us with jail time.
The fact remains that the GM's are taking a hands off approach on purpose to kind of simulate that our presence has not caused too much of a ripple yet that they feel it is something they need to address and leave it for now in the hands of the many capable citizens that would oppose the will of the SPC. The OOC reason of course is simply because so far they see it as promoting quality group roleplay and is obviously getting people a bit more into the game.
So we treat it as simply an opportunity to exploit this governmental neglect for the "wild" regions of Yliakum and expand our influence and renown be it negative or positive.
-Ikon
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Sarva... You were around for this, so you could probably fill in some knowledge here, but in the past Myysst led some player-army, at the behest of the "Ochtarchy" in a player/GM event, right? Can you please tell us a bit about that? I heard Myysst mention it, but wasn't around for it and am thus foggy on the details.
It just seems to me that when the Octarchy gets a belly-full of the evil, smelly SPC, that they would send forth troops [in this case players, or GM characters if they felt so inclined] to shoo them away. Realistically speaking, there is no way for the Octarchy to patrol and enforce law in every corner of Yliakum. I'm a bit unclear too Gilrond, as how the PVP area makes this unrealistic? In a real life scenario, you wouldn't have needed to accept a challenge. A thug would have simply attacked/killed you at will. The way I see it, it's 100% more realistic.
And Jjairr - I read it because I talk to Ikon out of game :flowers: I think you'll enjoy it when it goes public.
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Tessra - I'm afraid that event with Myysst was before my time.
I haven't had the chance to talk with the GM team or anyone form settings to figure out what the IC approach to why the Octarch hasn't acted yet or how the Octarch will act when it finally does. Maybe there has been some trouble at some of the Bronze Doors which has drawn most of the available guards away thus the lack of reaction so far. I could possibly see one or two GM run guards with back up from player characters going out to the mine to clear out the Stillwaters once and for all. The main thing is that if people are having fun then let people have their fun and worry about the details later. Who knows maybe the Octarch is amused be these pretenders to the throne and is sitting back being entertained before taking SPC out in a very public way, as a lesson to any future pretenders to the throne. I'm sure someone else wil have some good ideas as well
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Realistically speaking, there is no way for the Octarchy to patrol and enforce law in every corner of Yliakum.
This case is quite different since it's not just any wild corner of Yliakum, but a strategic and rare resource (for example used for weapon crafting).
I'm a bit unclear too Gilrond, as how the PVP area makes this unrealistic? In a real life scenario, you wouldn't have needed to accept a challenge. A thug would have simply attacked/killed you at will. The way I see it, it's 100% more realistic.
That's exactly the catch. Pvp zone is more realistic in itself, because it removes artificial restrictions, but I was saying that it's inconsistent in comparison with other mines, because only this one has such conditions. This kind of inconsistency causes other unrealistic side effects (simple example - much more miners visit tin, copper or iron mines in comparison to platinum, so naturally criminals should be rather interested in those. So you see that it's the OOC reason which pushes them focus to the platinum one, making the situation less realistic within the settings). The source of the problem is of course the unrealistic idea of the pvp/non pvp itself.
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I agree to this, 100 %! I love how evil is coming back and making this game a lot more interesting. And I would think the Octarchy would have no say in the mines since it is in the wilds, I mean, I thought the Octarchy just patrol the cities? What Teshia said was right, I think it would be impossible for the Octarchy to patrol every single corner of the map. Maybe you can have an RP that people who live in Hydlaa or any of the cities begin to complain about the platinum mine, thus sending a Vigesimi to investigate? Also if a Vigesimi or even the Octarch for this level would investigate. Also, don't make them invulnerable, they can, also, die.
In reality, since platinum is an important resource, and unique on the Dome level, usurping it will naturally cause the defensive action of the official army or whatever law enforcement is around there.
I have heared that there are 10 platinum mining spots in Yliakum. So that place isn't the only one, and would not cause major damage.
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I agree to this, 100 %! I love how evil is coming back and making this game a lot more interesting. And I would think the Octarchy would have no say in the mines since it is in the wilds, I mean, I thought the Octarchy just patrol the cities? What Teshia said was right, I think it would be impossible for the Octarchy to patrol every single corner of the map. Maybe you can have an RP that people who live in Hydlaa or any of the cities begin to complain about the platinum mine, thus sending a Vigesimi to investigate? Also if a Vigesimi or even the Octarch for this level would investigate. Also, don't make them invulnerable, they can, also, die.
In reality, since platinum is an important resource, and unique on the Dome level, usurping it will naturally cause the defensive action of the official army or whatever law enforcement is around there.
I have heared that there are 10 platinum mining spots in Yliakum. So that place isn't the only one, and would not cause major damage.
yes they have the whole saying read the octarchal decree :P
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I have heared that there are 10 platinum mining spots in Yliakum. So that place isn't the only one, and would not cause major damage.
Really, on the Dome or on other [non existent yet] levels? Or may be you've heard it in the tavern from someone who had too much liquor?
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I have heared that there are 10 platinum mining spots in Yliakum. So that place isn't the only one, and would not cause major damage.
Really, on the Dome or on other [non existent yet] levels? Or may be you've heard it in the tavern from someone who had too much liquor?
I do not remember but I do remember him saying that he had heared it from one of the developers. Might even have heared it from a GM himself, but I dfo not have the best memories around.
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I agree on the liquour there aren't 10 platinum mines :P
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Well maybe if you ask the Stillwater Peace Corps nicely we can build a couple more platinum mines *winks*. Then the amount you pay to our cause will reflect what quality of mine we let you "mine" at. I think it is more interesting to the SPC to try and control a resource or point in Yliakum that actually gets the notice of people, I say mission accomplished thus far.
Also, I know the last couple of days have been a bit slow on RP responses to threats, appeals, etc to the SPC but this is just because we have been working to finalize my writeup for the guild. Hopefully, more interesting things are soon to come.
-Ikon
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/me wonders where the mining office is where you have to buy your mining permit.
That would seem to be a logical place for someone to take a complaint to. Of course there isn't such a place, except theoretically, which kind of points out the main reason there has been no official response. If the Octarchy were actually losing income from miners who can't mine safely requiring refunds there would be big trouble. The real problem to me, stems from the fact that you can actually mine the precious metals -- or really anything -- at all and not have to buy the raw materials from the authorized monopoly. There could, perhaps be a few low grade deposits here or there that outlaw miners could mine at their own risk but that is a different story.
Still if players are keeping themselves interested this lurker can't object.
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:thumbup: to SPC; i too have had a lot of fun RPing with your guild, and, speaking as a relative newcomer, have felt welcome. OOC communication with the slain has been big-hearted - if it were up to me, Aensor in particular would be getting a medal! ;)
i also like how ignorant the troops are: "Theirs not to reason why / Theirs but to do or die" - it can present many RP options, like Tessra has said - taunt / challenge / undermine their generals' authority / defy them / attempt mind control etc.
OOC, since a couple of people have already mentioned it in this thread, if anyone knows how to or would be interested in furthering an RP scenario where citizen claims are brought to octarchal notice and government action is taken, a petition is already up, in Hydlaa, and i will be looking for a place to take it.
see everyone in-game.
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Just wanted to state that a public declaration of the Stillwater Peace Corps goals, history, and organization is now posted!
See the post in the Guilds Forum.
Cheers
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/me wonders where the mining office is where you have to buy your mining permit.
That would seem to be a logical place for someone to take a complaint to. Of course there isn't such a place, except theoretically, which kind of points out the main reason there has been no official response. If the Octarchy were actually losing income from miners who can't mine safely requiring refunds there would be big trouble.
Venorel was helping out a friend in the Sunshine Squadron with a huge back taxes bill mounted by his father. It took a favour here and a favour there to straighten things out for him from connections Venorel knows and made in Hydlaa. It did give her some insight into tax collection in the capital; let alone some backwater desert road. Tax Collection is a disaster! No wonder guards are begging for new boots! The place is ripe for revolution! \\o//
- Nova
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The thugs (stillwater) killed me
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The thugs (stillwater) killed me
This statement might be of any interest to anyone if you mentioned whether or not there was any RP involved. As it is, it is about as interesting and informative as saying Pilfer killed you (he will, too; he's quite the cutthroat!)
Perhaps you'd like us to keep score? We could start a list:
Died: name? good guy/bad guy? Magic/combat? RP'd first: yes/no?
You can put me down for having died/killed equal numbers of times....
In all seriousness, I think that either I'm missing something, or many of those complaining are. I've not been around for any of PS's GM events, but in the other MMO I've played extensively, the favorite GM events were the ones that involved known villains with an ongoing story. So... GM villains are a good thing but player villains are a bad thing? We're not actually trying to make money off anyone, kill for no reason, or prevent you from getting resources. We're here to stir up some RP. So far I have not had anyone say to me "I don't want to RP, I just need some platinum." If someone said that to me, I'd be fine with it. Flat out ignoring me is not the same thing.
This is an RP server, as has been said, so RP is the object of the game more than mining, crafting, etc., but the flip side of that is that you cannot be forced into an RP; if you don't want to participate, just say so and you'll be left alone.
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I think what Kolela said really should be taken to heart by anyone involved in our RP.
The fact remains anyone we have "dealt with" at the mine has either:
a) Ignored us and continued to mine, not stating they do not wish to take part in our rp.
b) Insulted or attacked us.
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c) Ran from the mine as soon as someone from the Stillwater group showed up. In this case we may simply pursue as someone would a thief for the sake of RP.
Which is fine if the person has had in game contact with the approaching member of the SPC or in case of the generals, who are marked with the cloak of Stillwater Peace Corps. ( I guess an overly cautious and frightful miner would work as well ).
Still I hope that overall people enjoy our presence in the game to try and bring a little unpopular diversity to the RP scene on this the Roleplay server. If you have any problems with joining in on the RP and are at the mine or any other position an event of ours may sprout up, please let us know in a tell or an out of game remark and we will respect your wishes.
-Cheers
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:sorcerer: I agree with what Kolela said.
This is the best kind of RP -- unexpected.
And we've always known we could say "No, busy/ I don't want to/ etc. And if it is RP, we won't die. They have said so.
Just my tria..... Sanrai :innocent:
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This is essentially bully RP.
I'm normally fine with that, however what I'm not fine with is the lack of consistency shown between your members in the mine situation and other areas like Camp Banished and the Diayo pit. Multiple times members of SPC/PoC (PoC is lumped in with you because many of your members run with them and have called them in or vice-versa on multiple occasions) have randomly killed lowbies without so much as a word. Others have willfully metagamed with knowledge their characters could not possibly know. Others have point blank told me and others that they don't consider the Diayo pit as In character (which is really bizarre since it's in the game world).
I'm having a real hard time believing that this is really an attempt at RP and things are going as cleanly as you're claiming, given the interactions I've seen in other areas.
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Guardas,
I have no idea what you are talking about with running around with the PoC and killing in the dlayo pit or camp banished. I take it you are referring to Kisoji in this post as none of the other members have done such a thing without proper provocation. I know the Irec did kill some in the Dlayo pit simply b/c they were exploiting by casting through walls etc and that by most players standards is worthy of being attacked. Or rather if someone makes rude comments or insults towards us in a location that we can attack, that should also bring no surprise.
The lowbies killed at the mines are people who simply would not respond to our rp, likely afk mining alts of players or refused to give into our demands, continuing to mine, never stating they do not wish to be involved in the RP. We setup this RP to start in a location that PvP is enabled due to the fact it is first a valuable resource to try and control to get the group some power and notice ICly, while also being a location where people are likely to participate in our RP. So many people playing this game confuse me when they simply try to ignore good RP possibilities just because it is not going to be in the best interest in their character getting stronger or richer. The whole point is to have some exciting RP if you simply do not find our RP enjoyable let us know OOC and you will be allowed to mine and grind in peace. The actions of one person in our guild also does not mean our group is out to harass or bully people with our RP.
Most of the input we have had from people who strive to play this game as it is meant to be, meaning promoting fun RP, good or bad, has been positive. I believe that if you are so selective in what RP you want to join, this is not the server for you. Yliakum without some controversial groups in my opinion is a bore.
Oh yeah one more thing. If you wish to make claims about our bullying please highlight the circumstances and people involved, then changes will be made if necessary.
Cheers
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I know the Irec did kill some in the Dlayo pit simply b/c they were exploiting by casting through walls etc and that by most players standards is worthy of being attacked.
No, that's not what happened. No one was casting through walls except Irec. Irec killed a lowbie in the pit. Then he killed my character by casting through 4 sets of walls in the arena with daemon arrows and then denied that it was an exploit, along with telling a lowbie that the Diayo pit is OOC and he should expect to die at random. Let's not even mention that the number of SPC I've seen on the tents killing Guile makes you claiming killing anyone for exploiting through walls completely hypocritical.
Kisoji has been a problem in the past as well, yes with completely random attacks (along with Mordas of PoC who I'm told are your allies).
Most of the input we have had from people who strive to play this game as it is meant to be, meaning promoting fun RP, good or bad, has been positive. I believe that if you are so selective in what RP you want to join, this is not the server for you. Yliakum without some controversial groups in my opinion is a bore.
If you're implying that because my review of your actions is not favorable that I don't strive to play the game it was "meant" to be played, then that's simply untrue and rather haughty of you to state. I hope that is not how you meant it.
My issue is not your RP, my issue is the lack of RP and consistency shown by some of your members. Go be "bad" guys all you want, just be consistent.
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Well my experiences with you show me that you are in no place to claim to judge our role-play inconsistent. Characters have their own personality and so killing people may look like random acts but more often than not there is likely a reason behind it. Either way one instance with Irec has nothing to do with our group as a whole, as it was not linked to any of our RP events, also that was before things became more organized in the guild.
Also, we have no alliance with the PoC. Ikon is just good friends with Zarre so their actions as a guild are not in anyway linked to our group. As for Kiso causing problem and randomly killing, when he is back a RP event will be made where he is publicly flogged and demoted for his actions that in no way progress the standing of the SPC. Overall, if you approach our RP with good RP on your side as well I think you will enjoy it like many seem to have, however any encounter with your character I have seen just OOC rudeness leak through overshadowing any attempt at quality RP.
I know myself I have killed guile and others at camp banished getting them stuck on objects and the like before but just the same I often kill them if there by walking around while casting. Bottom line it is the only place a leveled character can get any PP and they need to kill while cursed on top of that so I can understand why people do it but I rather see people just walk and cast there as well but again I said I understand killing someone for exploiting not saying I bother to do it myself, I have enough people hating me as it is *winks*.
So now you retract your complaints that we are doing bully rp and now instead say we just do not consistently RP? I think you might be a bit confused on what you actually think of this situation, are you bothered OOCly and letting that effect your in game character more than it should?
Well hopefully that helps clarify a bit, if you are indeed just bother ICly why have you not sought Ikon or Aensor ( the generals besides Irec ) for discussion and try to work a deal or tell them of the actions of their comrades?
Think on it.
In response to your added comment. I am just saying that it is bothersome and challenging to get a large scale RP going when you are acting as a "villain". Not saying anything to you directly here but it seems in the encounters our group has had with you, you do not seem open enough to the RP to enjoy it. If you think us wrong and your character is angry at us, assemble a force to get rid of us or make a deal with us. Would be enjoyable for both parties.
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Well my experiences with you show me that you are in no place to claim to judge our role-play inconsistent. Characters have their own personality and so killing people may look like random acts but more often than not there is likely a reason behind it. Either way one instance with Irec has nothing to do with our group as a whole, as it was not linked to any of our RP events, also that was before things became more organized in the guild.
Also, we have no alliance with the PoC. Ikon is just good friends with Zarre so their actions as a guild are not in anyway linked to our group. As for Kiso causing problem and randomly killing, when he is back a RP event will be made where he is publicly flogged and demoted for his actions that in no way progress the standing of the SPC. Overall, if you approach our RP with good RP on your side as well I think you will enjoy it like many seem to have, however any encounter with your character I have seen just OOC rudeness leak through overshadowing any attempt at quality RP.
I know myself I have killed guile and others at camp banished getting them stuck on objects and the like before but just the same I often kill them if there by walking around while casting. Bottom line it is the only place a leveled character can get any PP and they need to kill while cursed on top of that so I can understand why people do it but I rather see people just walk and cast there as well but again I said I understand killing someone for exploiting not saying I bother to do it myself, I have enough people hating me as it is *winks*.
So now you retract your complaints that we are doing bully rp and now instead say we just do not consistently RP? I think you might be a bit confused on what you actually think of this situation, are you bothered OOCly and letting that effect your in game character more than it should?
Well hopefully that helps clarify a bit, if you are indeed just bother ICly why have you not sought Ikon or Aensor ( the generals besides Irec ) for discussion and try to work a deal or tell them of the actions of their comrades?
Think on it.
Claiming an area is bully RP, especially when your group has some of the highest skill levels compared to others. There's really not much most people can do to you and you know it. Some of your members are not consistent. These are NOT mutually exclusive
I see no reason to try and resolve OOC conflicts (because that's what Irec terms the Diayo pit apparently) with IC actions. Also before things were organized? This was as recent as this weekend. My character has no actual problems with SPC (well other than he thinks the claim is a farce like most of the world), I do because of the way some of your members treat newer players.
I'm going to ignore the rest of the personal attacks because they're quite plainly ignorant and you haven't interacted with me at all to know.
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Guardas.
You seem to have things slightly mixed up here.
Your guild-member, Gatat, was killing Dlaoys from the Marfu. pit. I then killed Gatat as he entered the Dlayo PvP zone, and afterwards sent him a tell letting him know that killing MOBs inside the arena from on top or behind walls is considered OOC (i know i should have told him about the rule before killing him, and i apologized to him for that). Then all of a sudden you turned up, moved inside the PvP zone to target me and attack with spells, moved back out of the PvP zone and continued casting, died from my spells, accused me of using food (which i did not) and then started a long rant in tell.
As i'm reading through my logs i can however understand your confusion about what you thought i meant about OOC behavior. You seem to have thought I meant the Dlayo pit is an OOC area (i do not). What you didn't grasp was that I meant your guild member's actions were OOC. The odd thing here is that despite me telling both him and you this, he continued killing the MOBs through the wall.
Next time you post a rant or whine in gossip, get your facts straight.
-Irec
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Guardas.
You seem to have things slightly mixed up here. Your guild-member, Gatat, was killing Dlaoys from the Marfu. pit. I then killed Gatat as he entered the Dlayo PvP zone, and afterwards sent him a tell letting him know that killing MOBs inside the arena from on top or behind walls is considered OOC (i know i should have told him about the rule before killing him, and i apologized to him for that). Then all of a sudden you turned up, moved inside the PvP zone to target me and attack with spells, moved back out of the PvP zone and continued casting, died from my spells, accused me of using food (which i did not) and then started a long rant in tell. As i'm reading through my logs i can however understand your confusion about what you thought i meant about OOC behavior. You seem to have thought I meant the Dlayo pit is an OOC area. What you didn't grasp was that I meant your guild member's actions were OOC. The odd thing here is that despite me telling both him and you this, he continued killing the MOBs through the wall. Next time you post a rant or whine in gossip, get your facts straight.
-Irec
No, I did not and if you think I did, you're very mistaken. I stopped casting the moment I moved out of line of sight. Exploiting bugs in PvP is wrong and you should know that.
As for your comment about OOC actions, as I said to Ikon, considering how many of your people I've seen "exploiting" Guile (and likely you although I haven't seen it) I find that farcical that you'd kill someone else for it, especially someone new.
I really think you need to take your own advice.
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"As for your comment about OOC actions, as I said to Ikon, considering how many of your people I've seen "exploiting" Guile (and likely you although i haven't seen it) I find that farcical that you'd kill someone else for it."
According to the rules, standing on objects while casting in the wilderness is not considered OOC.
-Irec
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Guardas,
Well you can keep your thoughts on all this, fine by me but would be interesting to see you join in real rp with the group before complaining about a few occurrences.
As a leader of a guild you are not a baby sitter so you cannot see what everyone is doing while training, etc. This however just sounds like a personal thing between you and Irec so maybe best to keep it that way instead of being an ordeal with our guild as a whole.
Cheers.
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Indeed, Ikon. I'm done. :thumbup:
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So spliting hairs about rules (and of course not following the spirit of the rule) while killing new players and then telling someone that issues they have must be "personal issues" (when it involves a member of your leadership who represents your guild) looks to be about how you operate. We'll leave Kisoji's (who by the way also represents your guild as he's a member) random abuses off this list for now.
Clearly there's no reason to be concerned about you guys abusing killing people at the mines for whatever reason you make up.
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Well in game problems like people being killed in a seemingly random manner should be addressed with the proper in game RP. I have yet to see you involved directly with any RP of mine, so until you witness our RP at the mine or somewhere else I suggest you not make such remarks.
Like I said, Ikon just learned of Kiso's recent actions in game through someone and he has a punishment organized on his return. Dealing with in game differences in a manner that will get the message a crossed to him about our guilds stance on senseless killings while also making a RP event out of it. Maybe you can take your differences with Irec in a similar direction?
I ask you what group of sentient creatures is without faults? Unless completely "brainwashed" people will act on their own from time to time. In game I see it simply as acts that should be punished when they are unearthed. These little "issues" are what makes up human-human interaction, and should make the best of them.
Cheers