Janners Way

[r.guppy]

At the end of the day, it is entirely personal choice. From a role playing point of view I see the label as a badge one wears so that your fellow citizens can see your affiliation.

From a recruiting point of view, if anyone asks about my guild, I will strongly recommend that they read the guild section of the forums to see what choices are available.  

Originally posted by Robinmagus
Though she IS right...If  your point is to keep members from having a label on them, why give them your own??

The point is to give people a label, to prevent other guilds wanting them to join up to all kinds of rules, regulations and tasks which they may not be interested in.

The point of a (label as you call it) guild name is to dissuade mass recruiters who see name, no guild and pounce. Whereas they see name with guild ignore player and move on. (Leaves player free to enjoy game in his or her own way.)

[pwxyzg]

i really love the concept of creating a guild to stop being guild-spammed..  (partly because i was thinking along similiar lines, but more of an option to block out all the invites)  maybe that isn\'t the main point of the guild, maybe it is, but shouldn\'t we all have a moment and think about what that point means for a second ..











ok.. i don\'t know about you.. between thoughts i don\'t want to go into,..  i actually thought, wow,.. isn\'t it a bit messed up someone would feel a need to even mention this??

.....

nonetheless, along similar lines, the question has been looming, slowly creeping, slithering up if you will..    (. robinmagnus.. karyuu .. i think this applies mostly to your posts about RP and labels and maybe I am (mis)reading too much into it, but ... ) ..  

how RP is it to have a guild name under your name AND a giant neon name sign??!!!?  


why doesn\'t it just say \"hello my name is: \" as well? ok, i understand labels are needed since we all more or less look alike, ... yadda yadda..

so, perhaps if these labels are allowed, then maybe it makes sense to allow people to actively opt-out.  currently, there is no option, and although I think there are merits to the guild otherwise, this is a simple way to combat the abuse.  maybe I have misunderstood guilds, but I didn\'t think they were all about wear\'n fez\'s anyway (or is it fezes?.. you know, the little hats.. shriners? .. see here ..
http://www.citypages.com/imagebank/articles/24_1162/norling/images/18644A.shriner.jpg
) so that you know who\'s in?? but then again, they are only worn to meetings!?

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by pwxyzg
how RP is it to have a guild name under your name AND a giant neon name sign??!!!????

There have been several discussions in the past about trying to solve this RP \"problem,\" but no real working suggestions have been made. You have to keep in mind that the chat system would be greatly affected.

Guilds always have the option of being secret - meaning the guild name does not appear beneath the names of its members.

I think the problem now is that Janner\'s Way no longer has a real purpose for existing, since guild invite spam is a thing of the past with this new system. To attract more members and flourish, Janner is going to have to tweak his organization a bit and find another (RP) goal for being.

[pwxyzg]

not meaning to shoot this off topic..  with my small rant :S

to try to help undo what i perhaps have helped diverge from..

it seems the other points, although as many have said are not fleshed out enough, still hold some merit??

also, as to talamir\'s 1st raucous rousing post..
/me reads from the scrolls

Originally posted by Talamir
What you need are ranks .
 

ahemm....
.  have you heard of communism?  social democracy? all-for-one, one-for-all???  a flat management structure? the ideal (not the reality) is that everyone should be er.. equal!?  ha. .. seems if millions of people can be organized in this manner, so could a guild? .. and heck, it could change/evolve when they perhaps figure out it doesn\'t work .. i would even wager the established guilds have done this in some sense?

janner.. maybe you should focus on anarchy as a cornerstone in your guild,  somehow, seems it would fit?? )

[r.guppy]

thank you all for your comments i do read all post spend some time to think through answers before replaying.

As a player on line said to me your guild seams to be all about freedom, i like that and so i have now said it

hope to be up and running again soon

[Karyuu]

A guild based on freedom..? A strange concept. Some more information would definitely be awesome with time :)

[Platyna]

Generally I am getting bored of reading flames and sarcasm all over again.
RP is worth nothing without friends leading sessions with you, if you treat RP
to show how 31337 you are, this is not the way. RP is a kind of social
interaction not penis enlargement pill, so you will either:
1. Learn what is constructive criticism.
2. Learn how to express your opinion without trashing other persons.
3. Stop flaming and start respect each other.

Or I don\'t know...will start reporting such threads and demanding bans, or ask
admins to rename Guilds Forum to Flame & Trash Forum.


Kind regards.

[Karyuu]

Am I missing something, Platyna? There has been no flaming in this thread.

[pwxyzg]

freedom..

sounds good.. for me, in this case, anarchy and freedom are somehow intertwined since that freedom comes at creating a buffer from the community in some way?  but freedom definately sounds closer to your stated rules/intentions!

[Platyna]

Not to be offtopic but I have got a little upset while reading Talamir\'s post,
which was generally in the \"u suck\" tone. That\'s all. I really don\'t like these
bashing people discussions on this forum (unless they, for purpose, do stupid
or abusive things).


Regards.

[Karyuu]

Platyna: Understood :)

On-topic: Freedom by itself is not enough to explain the purpose of a guild. Actually a guild would be counterproductive to such desires, at least outwardly and without any more details, like this. What is it about freedom that Janner\'s Way will be concerned with? Will it be a guild of freedom defenders, freedom-spreaders, or will the goals return to \"Do your own thing with no other input,\" which isn\'t likely to work, again? When taking away guild-invite-spam, people will have to do a bit more work to learn about guilds and see if they work in an RP manner for their characters. When faced between so many brilliantly colorful guilds out there with a definite goal, direction, alignment (or lack thereof), history, and vision, and a guild without any real direction, I would think that the former would always be chosen.

And I\'m definitely interested in how this guild may grow and expand, so if Janner tweaks his guild statement some, would be great if he updates us on it :D

[r.guppy]

Well, I am pleased to inform all that we are now a guild (non guild) again.
Yes my members are free to play the game in a way they see fit, hence freedom of choice to do their own thing in a way they see fit, they have all read the rules and happy to stay within these guide lines.
members are free to leave any time if they so desire and no ill will, also if they wish they may return, as for RP if you talk to me in game i am trying my best to do so, and hope the members will take my lead.
One of my members, Pipra, is working on a possible web site but it won\'t be ready for a long time as she runs her own business, so has little time free to work on it.

[Karyuu]

Janner, I am interested: Are you going to try to recruit more members with time, or have you settled on the group you currently have? How will the recruiting system work? For example, I\'m curious as to how you would explain your guild to someone who would ask about it in-game. It\'s just that right now \"a guild of freedom\" is really vague. I think my main difficulty in understanding how you want Janner\'s Way to run is that you said members have the \"freedom of choice to do their own thing in a way they see fit.\" Why is a guild necessary for this? What will members gain by joining your guild that they cannot find by themselves, with other friends, or other guilds? :)

[r.guppy]

well my reason for forming was to stop the endless do you want to join my guild , has not stopped by the way but is not as bad.

i do not recruit full stop. but if i am asked about my guild i say \" i am not a guild as you no it, have you looked at the guild section of the forum to see what is on offer.\" if no would ask them to do so.
the rest would just be chat to get to no each other, and only then if i am asked \"can i join\" will i accept or decline them.

i cannot answer for my members you will have to ask them in-game why they chose to join and indeed stay.

In most guild you are bound by rules and tasked to do and (yuck) do someone\'s bidding. this is how i see guild i do not no what guilds in this game are like, in my guild (non guild ) YOU are your own boss, thats the freedom of it, just a few-simple rules to abide by.
you are also left alone by other guilds as they see guild name under your name. Hope this answers some of your questions.  

[Karyuu]

It does answer some of them, thanks :) Still a few questions though, I hope you don\'t mind that I keep asking, heheh.

When I asked how you would explain your guild to someone in-game, I meant in an RP fashion. Telling them to read a thread on the forums is not RP, that is Out-Of-Character. Perhaps if you can write a sort of \"RP speech\" about your guild to put in this section, it would be easier to understand where you are going with this. Pretend someone asked you if you are in a guild, and then explain that you are in fact a guild leader, who created this organization for such and such (roleplay) reason. I think it would be a great aid. The majority of guild threads here have something of the sort.

It is true that many guilds give members tasks and jobs towards a greater purpose, but many people have a need for this, a desire to fulfill some role. That is why they turn to those guilds :) Of course I understand that everyone is not like that, which is where you give your members freedom. But I am still mystified about that freedom. It seems that your reason for being is still OOC - letting other players see a guild label beneath the names of your members so that they would not be spammed with other invites.

It is my opinion that you should try to concentrate more on roleplay reasons for the existence of guilds. Leave the game mechanics behind for a moment and transport yourself directly to Yliakum. Why do you form your guild? :) In a roleplay sense, what will members of Janner\'s Way gain that they will have a harder time gaining elsewhere?

*edit* Of course. Sleep well! :D