Worst turn in PS??

[Thoronador]

When I first read this thread, I thought this new rule was a bad joke of someone, but it wasn\'t. Well, I do understand that you want to get rid of those \"just-for-fun guilds\". That\'s right, and there\'s nothing wrong with it.
But the way you enforce this is inacceptable. Just five minutes to gather five members is really too short. What happens if for example the client of the guild master crashes during the five minutes (something that is quite likely to happen, because PS is still a tech-demo)? The guild will be disbanded, I guess, because the GM has not recruited enough members.
And don\'t forget that PS is a MMORPG. This means that the guild members can be spread all around the world. The different time zones make it difficult (if not impossible) to gather most of the members within this five minutes. Someone here made the proposal that all members of a guild have to be online at a certain time, but hey, you can\'t force somebody on the other half of the globe to get up at (let\'s say) 3:25 in the morning just to be online in order to make it possible to create a guild.
Another point is the fee of 20,000 tria to start a guild. Let\'s assume ten new players gathered to form a guild. They will never be able to raise 20,000 trias within the five minutes.

Some say this rule will encourage RP. I think they are wrong.
What would you do, if you had five minutes to get five members and 20k tria into your recently created guild? Everything, but surely no RP. You would start sending guild invitations to randomly chosen players one after another (some would call it a attempt to do mass recruiting), hoping they have enough trias to contribute to the needed amount. Because I can\'t imagine another way for a young guild to collect so much money (except cheating).

Frankly, the rule is the best way to cause frustration among many guilds and guild members (or should I say former guild members?).

You should change the rule, the timing should be better, maybe the fee should be reduced, too. At least a guild master should have 24 hours before the guild is disbanded, if the requirements are not met.

I know some will criticize what I wrote. But try to see it not only from the view of the older and established guilds (which should have no problems with this rule), but also from the view of the new and small guilds.

Greets
Thoronador

[r.guppy]

I would still like to no why it was not mentioned in guilds part of forum as this directly affects guilds.
Then we would have had a bit more time to arrange things , or in my case even no it was about to happen.
Also no thought seams to have been put into fact there are a lot of people still of-line waiting for there OS to bet updated so they can play, o and by the way in those five mins there was two sever crashes.

[aderet]

lol. 2 crashes in 5 min??? sometimes it takes me 5 min just to  finish loading. Seriously, the other rules aren\'t too bad. But 5 min just isnt realistic... Unless you have been drinking way too much red bull...

[Moogie]

Meh, I don\'t see that there\'s much of a problem anyway. You know who all your members are (if you don\'t, you should), so that\'s not a problem. And 20k is nothing with the current loot generator. Sell 1 item and you\'re good to go. Crisis over.

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Thoronador
What would you do, if you had five minutes to get five members and 20k tria into your recently created guild? Everything, but surely no RP. You would start sending guild invitations to randomly chosen players one after another (some would call it a attempt to do mass recruiting), hoping they have enough trias to contribute to the needed amount.

This is where you are rather mistaken. Guilds should never be created on-the-spot, randomly, with no other current members except the guildleader. This system prevents -just that-. An individual who will want to start a guild will first have to find a way of promoting the idea for it, meeting with people THROUGH RP to see if they will be fit for potential membership, and when and only when five truly interested and dedicated members with the funds needed are gathered, the guild can be created. But -never- spontaneously and with more invite spam.

Though I do agree on the five-minute issue. I think an hour would be enough time.

[provisionist1]

Well, I must say I was surprised/shocked/initially angry about this, but as I think about it, it does make a lot of sense. I have a point/request to make.

The five members rule makes sense to me. Yes, a \"guild\" should have more than five members. However, (and please correct me if I am wrong about this piece of info) the \"five minutes\" in which to recruit another four members is very irritating and even daunting; I see easily that 20,000 tria could disappear easily if even someone found four people willing to join, he/she forms the guild, then one of them has a computer crash. ....Whiffffp.... 20,000 gone. I ask that it be please be increased to 24 hours which I don\'t think is asking too much.

Also, slightly of topic, I was under the impression the random loot generator didn\'t drop weapons worth 20,000 tria?

Well, I\'m off to earn 20,000 in teffie loot and collect my members.

Xirius

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by provisionist1
[...] the \"five minutes\" in which to recruit another four members is very irritating and even daunting [...]

Xirius, guilds are meant to be ready -with- five members at the time of creation :) A guildleader should not go on a random search for members after creating a guild, but before it. Guild promotion threads on the forum and roleplay within the game itself will help future guildleaders immensly.

[DeathsAngel]

No I did\'nt see any weapon that was worth 20 000 trias or I was\'nt able to get the 20 000 trias in a day, except if you\'re uber strong and you go kill Trempor or Ulber all day (12 hours) then yes you will have your money. But I don\'t think anyone is so much addicted to that game hehe  


For the \"5 minutes delay\"  and even an hour is too short. If we could say like 4-5 hours it would be perfect. And when people join a guild why not making them pay like 0.5K or 1 k ?  They do not pay it to the guild but to the \"government of Yliakum\". This would prevent mass recruiting in the plaza during the 4-5 hours delay.

[Karyuu]

Is everyone missing the point, or am I just being weird here? ;) Guilds are supposed to have those 5 members ready already before going off to create the guild in-game. There will be no spamming of invites of any kind. And I certainly hope that if some guild attempts this, they will be reported and reprimanded by GMs immediately.

A guildleader is not supposed to search for members after creating the guild in-game, but before creating it in-game.

[DeathsAngel]

I know Karyuu but I mean that it\'s not every member that can be there at the same time!  Different reasons : job, GMT time etc etc...

[gupgohanss5]

I understand where you are coming from karyuu, but many people sleep while i am online, i cant expect any of my members to be up at 3:00 AM just to join my guild, and not everyone has the flexibility of schedule that you may have.

That\'s why it should be an extended time, 20,000 may be a bit much, but i\'m willing to pay it, as long as i get my guild back.

But i\'m not going to pay it if there is a possibility that it is a waste of money.

Tell me, what if other members of the game wish to spite our guild, by pretending to be a member, since the wipe, then leaving the guild as soon as it forms, or as soon as i get offline, so that my guild will be wiped again.

We need to address these problems, they don\'t jsut go away. i would be confident with an hour or 2, others would rather a day, whatever time is decided, it definitely needs to be lenghthened.

I don\'t understand why there is still an argument about this, when it is clear that there is just not enough time. And form what iv\'e read, this seems to most people\'s opinions. I love PS, and i want my guild back. It\'s jsut that simple, but why not make it a little more RP.

I dont know about you, but form what iv\'e seen in game, cheating has already begun to create a guild...

TTYL,
Charims/Gebir, Guild master of Radiant Fate/ Those of Radiant Fate

[Karyuu]

Charims, I agree that five minutes is definitely not enough. Personally I think twenty-four hours is too long, however. And I have suggested in the beginning of another thread of a similar topic that guilds be kept permanently once they are paid for, to prevent the \"members-leave-and-now-we\'re-gone\" scenario. Everyone knows that guilds can become inactive or fade away only to come back with a punch later. I am only arguing that currently, this is the way things are going to have to be. I don\'t think that asking for five members in the same time zone is too outrageous of a request.

As for cheating already to create a guild.. The system is rudimentary. Xordan has stated that as it improves, many cheats such as using alts as members, will be made impossible. But there are several exploits already, too, that ruin the atmosphere. Trapping creatures in elements of the landscape so that they cannot hit back is one of them, and the devs are aware. Something will be done :)

[Thoronador]

Originally posted by Moogie
And 20k is nothing with the current loot generator. Sell 1 item and you\'re good to go. Crisis over.

Haha, good joke! Really.
Name one such item that can be sold for 20k or more. I guess you won\'t find that much. And please take into consideration that there are guilds who don\'t do PL.

Originally posted by Karyuu
I agree that five minutes is definitely not enough.

That\'s absolutely right.

Originally posted by Karyuu
Personally I think twenty-four hours is too long, however.

I think 24 hours is not too long. Many players will need even more than 24 hours to get 20k. (One should not forget that there are people with real-life who are possibly not addicted to PS and who can\'t manage to spend 8-10 hours (or even more) per day playing PS.)

[Jakob]

That\'s the point.  We are supposed to have 20,000 Tria and 5 other members set up and on line at the time we create the guild.  But please, please, please people... Let the thread die!  This thread is doing nothing but complaining...

[DeathsAngel]

Let it die ? Well yes if the Dev will do something for the time...

Many players will need even more than 24 hours to get 20k.

... It have been said one hundread time that you need to have your 6 members and 20 k when you create your guild...