An Invitation to all Guild Leaders

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by r.guppy
In the interest of a fair debate i must post this reply from a GM.

Funny you should mention this. It was one of the topics in the Sunday GM meeting. NO, there is no official rule banning duels in the plaza, but the GM\'s are still trying to get such a ban approved.

Interesting.  However, even though there is no rule banning fighting in the plaza, there is a rule which bans players from interfereing in the RP of other players.

[Askr]

Originally posted by r.guppy
1: Daunt no about your Country but mine adders to Geneva convention were it stats you must declare war first. (ie we are going to attack you)
2: Me 11 years (British Infantry) rigid rules for fighting i assure you.
3: I wont go on as the rest will be deleted service to say i have had enough please drop it.

In the history of mankind the Geneva Convention is a rather recent bit.  And also I\'m afrain you are confusing the Geneva Convention with the Charter of the United Nations.  Likewise, preemptive strikes are perfectly \'legal\' and happen before an actual declaration of war.

To clarify what you have in your 11 years of military service failed to learn.  The Geneva Convention governs the protection of the soldiers in the conflict.  It is actualy stated in the convention that the Geneva Convention does not support or legitimize conflicts.  On the other hand, the Chart of the United Nations concerns itself with defining the concepts of war and what is expected in such situations.

Rigid rules?  Such as:

1. informing your adversary that you are going to attempt to kill him before you do?
2.  notifying your adversary of what weapons you use and when you plan to use them?

Perhaps you were well known for giving out strategic information to your adversaries, but that is not the normal operating procedures for soldiers at war.

Perhaps you were not so well informed.  So please do not ask me to drop it.  Throwing your misinformed information out there does not validate anything you have said up to this point.  Next time you are going to use your military history, make sure you are correct in what you are saying first.  This is twice now you\'ve used it without merit.

[LigH]

Askr:

Why do you see the PlaneShift world as a battlefield?

Better play CounterStrike if you prefer that.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by LigH
Askr:

Why do you see the PlaneShift world as a battlefield?

Better play CounterStrike if you prefer that.

He\'s not saying that PlaneShift is a battlefield.


He\'s saying that the rules proposed are unrealistic if they become part of the mechanics of the game.

[Askr]

Originally posted by LigH
Askr:

Why do you see the PlaneShift world as a battlefield?

Better play CounterStrike if you prefer that.

Why do you assume I see the PS world as a battlefield?  Out of all my posts that is all you could come up with?

Hmm..all my complaints about lack of RP managed to be turned into seeing the PS world as a battlefield.

My suggestions about a better way to accomplish what is being attempted centered around, not RP mind you, but turning PS into a battlefield.

How very odd of you.

[Askr]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by LigH
Askr:

Why do you see the PlaneShift world as a battlefield?

Better play CounterStrike if you prefer that.

He\'s not saying that PlaneShift is a battlefield.


He\'s saying that the rules proposed are unrealistic if they become part of the mechanics of the game.

Thank you again, Zanzibar, it is nice to see that my words are not completely lost on the masses.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Askr
Thank you again, Zanzibar, it is nice to see that my words are not completely lost on the masses.

I\'m hardly the masses.... btw, guppy sent me a PM accusing me of being you.  I ~really~ think this thread is pointless, and probably won\'t post in it again unless there\'s a really good reason to.

[sirunie]

Duelling is it realy that simple ?

  This is only my opinion.

1: If you are challenged and you accept thats your problem if your killed. Dont accept otherwise.

2 : If the duel spamming in the plaza is annoying you turn off the appropriate filters.

3 : Its a duel all tactics are fair from potioning up to distance killing to what ever is going to save your life.
Learn the counter attack or ask some one for help to learn how , but stop having an excuse for loosing , stand up and say i lost it wont happen again ill learn and win the next time.

  This is only an outline of my views any other suggestions or input is very welcome.

 I think Janner was trying to bring some sort of order to the realm of PS because it can be a bit chaotic at times. Unfortunately the fun is in the chaos . perhaps a guild of rangers as like Rangers of yliakum could RP peace keepers but there would always be chaos at one time or another .. Makes for good `in game RP.

 Oh well i have had a say just hope i didnt step on any toes.

[AendarCallenlasse]

This thread has strayed of topic.  First Warning.

[LigH]

@ zanzibar: A PM is \"private\". Telling its content in public violates the \"Netiquette\". If it is offending, tell it a moderator - but not the public.

This answer was based on my experience as Super Moderator of another board.
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@ Askr:

Thank you for clarifying - and please excuse my provoking style to ask.

My point of view is based on the assumption that duelling was made to be rather unimportant by the developers, that they don\'t want to urge the players to duel each other, by telling us: \"Duel Points are rather useless, you can only brag with them\".

Your point of view seems to be based on the assumption that duels and wars are a usual part of roleplaying.

Still, I am often unsure, if the moderators and game masters have to support the wishes of the developers, or the wishes of the majority of players. They tend to differ from time to time...

[lanser]

Originally posted by sirunie
I enjoy dueling in the plaza,please dont take it away. ;(

I quite understand that you enjoy it, but there are a few of us that suffer from combat lag, (ie. whenever there is a combat event nearby our graphical clients freeze even though I can see the combat in my terminal window).

I already have to avoid the arena and Ojaveda warehouse (the sheer number of combat events mean that i can only move two or three steps at a time) and even get frozen in the deathrealm at times.

So I personally and some of my friends would like people to respect the no duelling in the plaza rule even if it is unofficial

[Askr]

Originally posted by LigH
Thank you for clarifying - and please excuse my provoking style to ask.

My point of view is based on the assumption that duelling was made to be rather unimportant by the developers, that they don\'t want to urge the players to duel each other, by telling us: \"Duel Points are rather useless, you can only brag with them\".

Your point of view seems to be based on the assumption that duels and wars are a usual part of roleplaying.

Still, I am often unsure, if the moderators and game masters have to support the wishes of the developers, or the wishes of the majority of players. They tend to differ from time to time...

The devs also intended PS to be an RP world, but even their GMs fail to enforce this.  Point being, regardless of whether it was intended to be the main point of PS or not, duelling has taken on a significant role within the game for many players and characters.  If the devs didn\'t want it to take place, they would not have made duelling available in game.

My point has never been about whether duels and wars are the usual part of RP.  Again, I am not sure how you minimalized my posts into such a stance.

This thread has never been about how best to solve the issues between duellists and non-duellists, RPers and Non-RPers (or limited RPers, rather), and so on.  It has always been about turning duelling into a \'gentleman\'s sport\', which is nonsense.  Janner has even admitted to that.  With that in mind, I find this discussion to be useless, because as is obvious any worthwhile suggestions that would benefit the game will be ignored in favor of the previously desired outcome.  In other words, there were never any intentions of getting input from anyone if it didn\'t match the criteria of forcing duelling into a \"gentleman\'s sport\" and therefore validating Janner\'s stance on the subject.  

I pointed that out before, and I will do so again.  It has been mentioned several times, by several people that laws and law enforcement of some type would be the best method to solving these issues.

[Rilar]

I think this discussion is more or less in vain.
As stated before me, everyone has the option to autodecline/manually decline/ignore..
Of course it enervates others when the ALL-tab is spammed by fighting or when the fight is even right in front of someone maybe even _through_ (the body) someone. So the only thing which has to be clearified imho are the locations where (ooc-) fights shouldnt take place. And I join the ones who say that this kind of fight should not take place on the plaza or in the tavern.. or in any other location where RP is taking place at the moment.
But this only is valid for the implemented fighting system _atm_ as long as they havent implemented a better solution (and there are many suggestions about this in other threads) yet. Imho those rules are not valid for rp-fights at all. Simple reason: If a fight is really rped and there are other people (for example in the tavern) who dont want the fight to take place there, the combatants can more or less easily be thrown out... of course with the means in RP and not with the help of GMs (who usually are ooc, if not stated otherwise.. but then there has to be a _good_ reason why a semi-god should appear to only kick somebody out of the tavern to not disturb others... a semi-god isnt a bouncer, imho).

-> Me and my guild votes for yay so far. But only as temporary solution and not valid for RP fights.

[zanzibar]

Go to options / chat filters.  You\'ll see that it\'s possible to eliminate all fighting from the chat window.

[semper]

I say yes online few hours 10+ challenges for no reason found off button.