Your 3 most hated THINGS

[Valbrandr]

It would help because there would be less Methane gas in the air sure. (From less Cattle Raising) ... Which would be one component of global warming.  But we need much more then that.  Starting with the Kyoto Protocol would help.  Though I know it has short comings as well.

Edit:

BTW here are some things I hate in one way or another:

Liars, Cheaters, and theives

People who are not Loyal to family and friends.

Any types of Holy Rollers

People who do not think for themselves (Not that I hate them just I want them to think for themselves )

And Individuality in some ways ^.  I know it sounds a bit funny.  But I mean those who do not think we are all connected.  

Those who do not think we should help others if we can.  

People who do not believe that we should take care of our own especially if we have the means.

Thats just a few

[Baldur]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
It would help because there would be less Methane gas in the air sure. (From less Cattle Raising) ... Which would be one component of global warming.  But we need much more then that.  Starting with the Kyoto Protocol would help.  Though I know it has short comings as well.

Wouldn\'t we be farting our arses off if we too ate grass \'n\' peas? Oo [J/K, but in a smart way ]

[Valbrandr]

I dont mean completely... I still like meat.  But because so many cows are being raised.. more and more methane is making it into our atmosphere (Because the cows go to the bathroom )

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
Zanzibar: You\'re vegetarian? I\'ve considered switching (for sports health related reasons) but it seems a bit more expensive and time consuming, something you have to really put effort into. Almost all of the best performing athletes I have met have been vegetarian, either during their training and racing careers or just making the switch for life. Anyways, I have a few questions about it.

Will eating meat on occasion screw it up? And does eating something like fish regularly detract from the benefits? Are there any good sites for people wanting to go vegetarian to improve their performance?

I\'m vegetarian for moral reasons.  While I\'m concious of the health benefits, they are not my primary concern.

I just make sure I get enough fruits, beans, and veggies in my diet.  I do eat eggs and some dairy on occassion.  I take multivitamin and B12 suppliments, though I\'m careful to choose ones that are not from animal sources.

The best advice I can give you is to talk to a professional.  If you\'ve grown up eating meat, then eating meat (and fish is meat) once in a while won\'t \"screw it up\" - it might actually make the transition period easier.

Originally posted by Baldur
You still need the proteins from meat

I\'ve been vegetarian for a very long time.  You do not need protein from meat.  There are alternatives.

Originally posted by Karyuu
fish

Fish are living animals, and therefore they are not part of a vegetarian diet.

Originally posted by Valbrandr
 I would need more hard evidence in this area.

The proof is there if you open your eyes and look for it.  

Methane is one part of it.

The beaf industry is incredibly destructive to the rainforrest.

The beaf industry pollutes our water, and it consumes too much resources in terms of grain, water, and land.

It\'s a strain on out healthcare system because of all the heart disease it causes.

There\'s mad cow disease and bird flu.

Digesting meat is not a simple process due to complex carbohydrates.  The result is a slower metabolism, and everything that comes out of your body is smellier.  (Girls who are used to boyfriends who eat meat always tell me I taste good.)

Plus there are all the reasons based on cruelty to animals etcetera.

[Karyuu]

*nodnod* Especially if you\'re considering vegetarianism while doing sports, it\'s important to discuss your diet and dietary needs with someone who\'ll know more on the subject, and professionally. Depending on what you do, you may need more of something-or-other and less of this-or-that, and the like.

[Valbrandr]

The proof is there if you open your eyes and look for it.

Yeah sadly you can find information to prove any point if you want to.  Which makes it very easy to spin the truth.  If you wanted to go in that direction.. I could tell you that not eating enough meat causes there to be more farmers.. farmers also cut down forests.  And hence can be seen as bad on the enviroment like in Brazil and in the surrounding area .

Edit:  not that I want to get in the conversation here... but yeah..

(Girls who are used to boyfriends who eat meat always tell me I taste good.)

I have heard that from different sources.

[StarsAndBars_1018]

Originally posted by Baldur
though you need a group who wants to follow your cause

Who said anything about a group? The \"spork\" comment was of a one on one \"fight\" nature. And in regard to \"wanting\", if you join the Army you by and large have no choice but to just do your job. Your \"wanting\" privileges are revoked for the next four years after you enlist.

There are as you say many kinds of things, including war.

Originally posted by Baldur
Fourth: I think he\'s referring to us both, and sorry I can be very dominant(i wonder if that\'s the right word...) when i haven\'t got my head with me. Don\'t take what i say in my first post too hard, Star Though i love argumenting;D *ty *

\'S okay. No hard feelings.

[Baldur]

Yeah, though I don\'t think of \"cruelty to animals\". Sure, we do have it, I can\'t say we don\'t cause that would be completely ignoring the issue. Sure, many want to do it quick and systematically. How I would want to change this is a bit farther down(just a teeny addition )

I\'m saying we\'re omnivores. We\'re, by nature meant to eat everything we like. We\'re a very agile species i must say(too agile on many cases ;/ ). We have always eaten roots( caroot, potatoo Oo) and meat(cows, pigs, goats) and it\'s just gotten out of hand with the killing and slaughtering. I think the animal meat production shouldn\'t be treated as an industry. That would just be cruel. We will still eat them, and that\'s not cruel by nature. Many species kill their prey and no one thinks that\'s out of the ordinary.

Instead of industry we wouldn\'t have cattle in general meaning, we would try to have them in big areas (omg, i\'m just dreaming away:/ ). What i mean: It\'s not cruel to kill animals to eat them. It\'s nature. I\'m sorry if you get offended. Bare in mind that the makeup- and medical industry is much more cruel to the poor beasts. Instead of finish them off without them suffering(at least not more then 2 milliseconds) the \"lab-rats\" go through several, sometimes painful experiements before they die because of some toxic or mistreated cancer tomour(This must sound like a clich\'e, but a clich\'e needs his mate :/)

Simply my two trias on neutral grounds. (I hope, omg. What\'s that shiny thing coming right at me)

[Cyl]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I know you weren\'t entirely serious with that comment

Vegetarians aren\'t necessarily healthier than meat eaters - the only difference really lies in the diet of the meat eater. If all the nutritional intake is balanced and you\'re not overdosing on fat all the time, you\'re basically okay. Vegetarian diets more often than not come about from emotional/personal/religious issues.

Would it help the environment? Very much so if more people bought less animal products. Will that happen? Unfortunately I just can\'t see that occuring :\\

And you told me not to agure about vegetarism  ;(

Ohhh and back on topic:

 -> People who blindly believe in things, without doubt or back-questioning.

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by zanzibar
Fish are living animals, and therefore they are not part of a vegetarian diet.

I\'m sitting here wondering how that got into my post :x Thanks for pointing that out.

Though there are different \"levels\" of vegetarianism as well.

@Baldur: My main reply to the argument of \"Other species do it too\" is that we\'re different from other species, and if we want to, we can make alternative choices for our diets. We are the only beings to have a concept of \"morality,\" after all.

@Cyl: I know ;_; But Kiern raised a good point back there, so.. argue away :x

[Baldur]

Originally posted by StarsAndBars_1018

Originally posted by Baldur
though you need a group who wants to follow your cause

Who said anything about a group? The \"spork\" comment was of a one on one \"fight\" nature. And in regard to \"wanting\", if you join the Army you by and large have no choice but to just do your job. Your \"wanting\" privileges are revoked for the next four years after you enlist.

There are as you say many kinds of things, including war.

Originally posted by Baldur
Fourth: I think he\'s referring to us both, and sorry I can be very dominant(i wonder if that\'s the right word...) when i haven\'t got my head with me. Don\'t take what i say in my first post too hard, Star Though i love argumenting;D *ty *

\'S okay. No hard feelings.

Yep, I think we finally agree on something *Fabulous!*

And i\'m not saying that it\'s not so in the army, you just changed subject from civil strike(we were speaking about civil war, class wars) I\'m right here talking about \"undusciplined\" battles like in street fights (anger to the government, someone killed you homie?) so please don\'t change subject cause I i\'m easy to get confused

Now i\'ll go do something else... ...*sifts through Karyuus trash*

[JellyWerker]

If I went vegetarian, it would be a \"low\" level, i.e. eating meat where and when it\'s beneficial, but not just to eat it. Not that I have any moral or religious issues with eating meat, just that I have heard about and seen people who performed much better when on a very low meat diet.

Valbrandr: Who will it hurt? It\'s not like going vegetarian for athletic performance reasons will affect my conservative mind

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Baldur
by nature... It\'s nature.....

Rape is also natural.  That doesn\'t make it right.

Originally posted by Baldur
suffering

Do you know how cows are most commonly slaughtered?  They\'re suspended from the ceiling of a warehouse by one leg, then they have their throats cut.  They bleed to death from their neck.  That\'s how they\'re killed.  They do not die instantly.





Karyuu:  A vegetarian who eats fish is a pesco-vegetarian (sometimes called a pescetarian).  I\'m a lacto-oval-vegetarian since I eat cheese and eggs.

[Valbrandr]

Rape is also natural. That doesn\'t make it right.

Where are you from again?  Its never been natural.  

He was just saying its the food chain and we are at the top.. not that i neccessarily agree.

[Karyuu]

Rape can be found in several species beyond our own.