Thus it ends.

[Under the moon]

When there is a bug, you fix it. When there is a feature that does not work as it is suppossed to, you fix it. When there is a problem in the rules....

Tough luck. Deal with it.

If you are saying that Devs have nothing to do with he rules the GMs follow -which I have been told before, there is something seriously wrong with the system. Especially since some of the GMs -are- Devs. Explain that.

Rules are a part of game development. They are meant to evolve with the needs of the community, not against them.

Inane: silly and pointless  --synonyms-- asinine: devoid of intelligence

You, sir, can go to the religious underworld/afterlife of your choosing.


I apologize, Sir Proglin. Myself and all of my characters hold you in the highest respect. I think the comments in this thread by the powers-that-be should not have been to single out my comment, but to say, "We are sorry. We will see what we can do to support your roleplaying, as that is the point of this game." Too bad, huh?

[Dahoma]

*sigh* Under the moon... even though I'm not 100%, more like 90%, sure who said that first comment. I can kind of see why you say it.... everybody seems to be getting a little roudy as of late.

Most of the people are the people who have been playing for ever... all they've done and stuff are coming out on threads and then at the end saying Good Bye... it's all very odd...

[Bodacher]

     Right there with ya Proglin!  I have been in on conversations with GM's where we have batted around ideas on how to PROMOTE RP in this game, which was great, but it seems to me that whenever players take the initiative to create events to help out in the only real way that we can, the rules are changed, or interpreted in a different way suddenly to squash these events and actually detract from the RP.  I've seen it first hand, and heard the opinions of others.

  Talad has gone out of his way to say it is a role-playing game first, yet in another thread he advises to ignore people who aren't RP'ing, where to my mind, it would be better to educate them and bring them into the fold so to speak.  The community is becoming divided along RP/PL lines and it seems to me that the dev team and GM's might be too.  Exactly where is this game going?

      There still are hardly any GM's online to hold their events, even though it has been stated that this summer would be better.  With nothing to do but hack & slash, some players have taken it upon themselves to create events for all to participate and enjoy (in-character, mind you).  While some may be utter OOC chaos, many are completely IC and, generally those participating have acted as quasi-GM's to "police" the OOC behaviour.  However, even these events (from what I've read in this thread) are deemed OOC and while I don't think anyone has said "You can't do that anymore", they sure haven't made it any easier for us to do so.

I would like an answer....should we players continue to bang our heads against the wall and try to keep holding our own events, or shall we all just become a bunch of PL'ers.

My apologies for taking your thread a tad off-topic Proglin.  I for one shall be proud to participate in your last tournament....let's make this one to tell our grandkids about!

Bod

[Kymizer]

Right on with ya there Bod!

(even though i won't be participating, i will certainly come, as long as its not the last two weeks of august!)


I will always support you here Proggy.  What you do is great, and its unfortunate about what has happened.

Oh btw..what does PL mean?

[Karyuu]

I am the only GM who is also a dev. There is no other at the moment. All of us, all GMs were unhappy with the rules set out for us when it comes to helping player events. However, many of us were new and just made GMs and it was hard to challenge rules you were just introduced to. Now the time is more appropriate.

To folks who have been disappointed with no GM events this summer, I'm sorry. It all comes back to us being volunteers and often needing to juggle many different tasks at once, plus dealing with life.

I've always enjoyed your tournaments, Proglin, and have had a lot of fun cheering with the audience. We're going to try seeing what we can do about player events

[Vengeance]

Karyuu, I would like to know what dev told the GMs not to help with player events.

I support these tournaments 1000% and have even thought about adding support directly into the game for tournaments, including bracketing windows, entrance fees and wagering.  It is greatly disappointing to hear it said that wanting to excel in tournaments "isn't RP".  Good god people.  Snap out of it.  That's like saying "it isn't RP" for you to eat the little dots in Pac-Man.

Proglin, you have my full support.  If anyone gives you grief, please refer them to me.

- Vengeance

[Valbrandr]

I think that would be a good idea Vengeance.. Tournaments would be a nice addition as long as they didnt take over .

[Kiern]

I'm confused as to why this is even an issue...I thought that was the purpose of a GM.  Punishing people and running events should have an equal amount of GM activity...but I guess one is just easier than the other.

[Karyuu]

Running events takes a lot of time and a group of GMs, Kiern. We can't do it spontaneously (not with our restrictions).

[Kiern]

Running events takes a lot of time and a group of GMs, Kiern. We can't do it spontaneously (not with our restrictions).

I don't know anything about your restrictions and therefore I'm not bashing what you are each individually doing, I'm just saying I thought that's what all of you were supposed to be doing (what the title implies). 

If you're basically just going to be a police force, well then...that's different than GM, no?

[zorbels]

  Proglin to see you go .... it is a great loss to this community. You have provided so much fun and entertainment.Your tournaments I look forward too and I appreciated them even more as they began to slow down and not happen. You have lived up to your name and did exactly what this game was intented for. You made  background, then added life to your character and roleplayed that character well. You did the quests, held tournaments, had a wedding event, and joined in on many parties and good times with the people of Yliakum. I will miss you greatly, perhaps one day you will come back .......

If this Axe tournament is to be your last then I will be there, you can count on it. Thank you for what you have done in this community, and thank you for your inspiration.

-Zorbels-  

[Karyuu]

I would seriously like to know who has been calling these tournaments OOC, though. We understand that GM participation has been limited (and hopefully not for long!) and this affected the events, but people bringing them down, purposefully, that doesn't make any sense.

In addition: Moon, Talad is the guy who handles GM rules. So no, 95% of the devs have nothing to do with them as Xordan originally said. Please don't go around waving blaming fingers at the development team when the great majority of them don't handle GMs, don't interact with GMs, and don't do GM work. They are separate teams. The system isn't perfect, but hopefully it will improve as will the game itself.

I understand the frustrations people feel - I often share them. But why is it that I so rarely hear complaints until a bandwagon is rolled around and everyone jumps onto it?

[Datruth]

I would love to attend the saturday event, and i hope it isn't the last.

These tournaments seem like the one thing that a player can look forward to after a hard day in th gold mines.

Some entertainment, fun, and a lil Gm interaction.

Thank you for all your effort, and nothing i or anyone else can say, can re pay you for the hours you put into this.

*bows head in honor of Sir Proglin's efforts.

[Under the moon]

I am sorry.

Then my comments were missaimed.

But if no one has heard my voice on these matters before...

it is because they have not been listening.

Or did not care to hear.

[Janner]

By Karyuu.
I understand the frustrations people feel - I often share them. But why is it that I so rarely hear complaints until a bandwagon is rolled around and everyone jumps onto it?

 hum don't see it the same at all I am expressing my disbelief at what is going on, also i read most of the other posts as the same.